Apostasy in Islam

SIslamK

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
"In light of the texts (Qur'an and prophetic traditions) and the way the Prophet behaved with the people who left Islam (like Hishm and 'Ayyash) or who converted to Christianity (such as Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh), it should be stated that one who changes her/his religion should not be killed. In Islam, there can be no compulsion or coercion in matters of faith not only because it is explicitly forbidden in the Qur'an but also because free conscious and choice and willing submission are foundational to the first pillar (declaration of faith) and essential to the very definition of "Islam". Therefore, someone leaving Islam or converting to another religion must be free to do so and her/his choice must be respected." (Tariq Ramadan on Apostasy)



 
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I Love Muhammad (PBUH)

Senator (1k+ posts)
Islam does not promote this teaching as it is against the fundamental basics of Islam. Allah Says in Quran , There is no compulsion in religion .

logically , what good a person can do for muslims if he is forced to be among muslim ummah and secondly when we convert an other person to islam why dont we give the same right to other religions .
 

saqi81

MPA (400+ posts)
The punishment for apostasy in the Islamic faith is death.
Though it may be argued that this is not clear through the
Qur'an alone.
Above mentioned posts are from Quran and how can you say that it may be argued? Its simple there is no compulsion in Religion. Stop believing Mullahs and start reading and finding the truth.
 
Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).



 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It is a fashion these days to interpret Quran and Hadith according to our own understanding. Strange as all this is done only with the religion and same logic is never applied in any other field of life.
 

Typhoon

Senator (1k+ posts)
Quran e Hakeem ke mutabiq Deen mein jabbar nahi he. Koi konsa mazhab ikhtyar karta he ye uski apni marzi he. Koi Islam qubol karta he ye uski marzi he. Koi Islam chorh kar koi aur mazhab ikhtyar karta he ye uski marzi he. Koi muslim agar apna mazhab chorh de to uski saza qatal nahi he. Its total against the concept of Quran.
Agar aisa maan lia jae ke qatal hone ke darr se log upar upar se muslaman hi rahe to wo ummat kelie zyada khatarnaak he, kionke is tarha to aap apne andar aik munafiqo ko jama kar rahe hein.
Or Quran pak ki kai ayat ka tarjuma torh morh kar ghalt translations ke zariye aisa bana dia jata he or zaif hadeese samne la kar ye sabit karne ki koshish ki jaati he ke murtid ki saza qatal he.
Islam rawadari ka dars deta he. Belief har insaan ka zaati mamla he, basharte ke wo Islami hukomat mein rehte hoe Islami hukomat ke qawaneen ki pasadari kare, fasad ka mojab na bane.
Islami riyasat to badqismati se aaj kahi he nahi or na hi mazhabi peshwayat mein itna shaoor he ke wo qaym kar sakein.
Islami riyasat qawaneen banati he jisko usme rehne walo ne follow karna hota he.
Kis ka mazhab kya he ryasat ko is se koi sarokar nahi. Ryasat ko sarokar he to wo ye ke qawaneen ka ehtram kia jae or unko follow kia jae, ahista ahista us ryasat mein paida hone wali non muslims ki generations khud bakhud apne mazahib ko chorh dein gi or jhute aqaed ret ki deewaro ki tarha gir jae ge.
Lekin kisi ko zabardasti musalman karna ya zabardasti islam mein rakhna......Quran ke bhi khilaf he or insaani fitrat ke bhi.
Kionke Imaan Dil mein paida hota he. Agar kisi ka Dil nahi muslaman rehne pe to na usko zabardasti rakha ja sakta he na banaya ja sakta he.
Munafiqat to waise hi humari qoum me koot koot kar bhari hoi he.
Kalma sab parhte hein, lekin amli zindagi or aqaed mein Islam se intehai doori pe hein.... Kis moun se hum murtid ko saza dene ki baat karte hein.
Sari qoum murtid he.
Murtid insaan zubaan se nahi amal se hota he. Phir qatal kar do sari qoum ko. Jaise dehshatgard suicidebomber ko brainwash karte hoe kehte hein.
Islam aisa nahi he. Maqam e mehmood pe jo rasool Allah fayz the unka pohnchaya gaya Deen esi ghaleez baato se bohot Pak he.
Lekin unka naam istemal kar ke aisi kai jhuti rawayat gharhi gai hein ke unho ne ye kaha or falaan ko qatal karne ka order dia, lekin ye sirf tohmaat hein jinki hesiyat mustanid or tareekhi nahi.
 

I Love Muhammad (PBUH)

Senator (1k+ posts)
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way. (4:138)

Just ponder over this verse and think that if it had been the punishment of apostasy a death, then how can a person who disbelieved Islam come back into the fold of Islam for the second time? In this verse it is not mentioned once, but for three times, that if a person disbelieves for three times still there is no worldly punishment for him. Not even a lesser punishment is mentioned.Religion is a matter of choice, and everybody can believe or disbelieve any religion.

The Holy Quran says:

O ye who believe, whoso from among you turns back from his religion let him remember that in place of such a person, Allah will soon bring a people whom He will love and who will love Him, who will be kind and considerate towards the believers and firm and unyielding towards the disbelievers. They will strive hard in the cause of Allah and will not at all take to heart the reproaches of fault finders. That is Allah’s grace; He bestows it upon whosoever He pleases. Allah is the Lord of vast bounty, All-Knowing. (5.55)

Whoso disbelieves in Allah after he has believed — save him who is forced thereto while his heart finds peace in the faith — but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is Allah’s wrath; and they shall have a severe punishment. [16:107]

No corporal punishment can be understood to have been mentioned by any stretch of imagination in these verses of the Holy Quran.
 
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Politcs

Minister (2k+ posts)
Religion is people personal matter. If we can go ask people to covert themselves to Muslims than we should have no problem when someone wants to leave Islam.

Many people in west converted to Islam and some of them follow both religion and sometime they revert back to their old religion. Also Islam is spreading in western countries because western countries do not execute people if they change their religion.
 

HomoSapien

MPA (400+ posts)
People nowadays about anything except ISLAM:
Boy 1: Yar ye zara JAVA ka code samjha de.
Boy 2: Mujhe samajh nahi aa rha sir se poch unhain aata hai ye.


People nowadays about ISLAM:
Boy 1: Yar ye namaz, roza, hajj, zakat, jihad to samjha day.
Boy 2: Aby ye konsa mushkil hai and then he goes on and on without EVEN KNOWING a SINGLE thing about ISLAM.


It is a fashion these days to interpret Quran and Hadith according to our own understanding. Strange as all this is done only with the religion and same logic is never applied in any other field of life.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
I know few friends who have been attending sessions of this renowned local Islamic academy. They are into movies , soaps and basketball too (as fans), and have got friends from other religious backgrounds too.

Once I was discussing with them about Hadith and Islamic principles etc.... and showed my disagreement with the ruling of killing apostates, since it's a practice which's completely non-Quranic. They were like bro that's what we are suppose to do , it is in Sharia. I tried to tell them that Allah SWT is Ghafoor ur Raheem so why would he ask his believers and faithful ones to go and kill those who turn their back on him? Whether we pray , whether we believe in Him, that's not gonna affect him. They were like bro he is also Al-Jabbar and Al-Qahhar, OK so he relies on your murdering tactics to show his Jabr Nauzubillah? I was shocked and thought what if a non-Muslim overhears our conversation (we were in an Arab Sheesha place that night). Later on, at a different occasion I questioned the authenticity of such Ahaidth and their response that time was DIFFERENT, this time I heard that hhhmmm there's a Fiqh about it and Ulemas are discussing it. Sab Ayein bayein shayein.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is for Allah to punish apostates should he so desire. It's sad to see that today Muslim's are mostly concerned about numbers more then anything else. If Islam is a one way street then no one would ever consider converting for the fear of being killed should they eventually want to depart it. It seems that most Muslim's are totally dogmatic devoid of an ounce of grace in their hearts.
 

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