Ahmed Shah Masood's brilliant response to Taliban

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Ok so what if they brought peace during civil war conditions. Then now in Pakistan (despite terrorism) there is still better peace than talban rule of afghanistan.

Why then you insist on talban rule in Pakistan...???

I want islamic rule in Pakistan. I believe Talibans rule was, to great extent, islamic but they were too strict in some cases, maybe they were not given enough time to settle (they were ousted only 4-5 years of taking control of Afghanistan).
 

Salman Farooque

New Member
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

After accepting atrocities you still insist you brought peace. I know you are well in your senses. And by the way ... there was no difference in Talban Peace and peace of a Qabrastan.

See an example of your war time atrocity:

Taliban_beating_woman_in_public_RAWA.jpg

We have seen one such video from Swat, Pakistan followed by the whole Swat operation killing thousands of common people and troops. Dr Shakil Afridi is one such character who, while giving Polio vaccination to children in a UN funded Programme, facilitated the OBL operation. Taliban almost ended the Opium production in the country which was a direct threat to CIA Business worldwide. This was, among others, one reason they were thrown out of power.
 

khidr

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

After accepting atrocities you still insist you brought peace. I know you are well in your senses. And by the way ... there was no difference in Talban Peace and peace of a Qabrastan.

See an example of your war time atrocity:

Taliban_beating_woman_in_public_RAWA.jpg

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Let's blame the entire US police force or the Republican Party for their crime.
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

I want islamic rule in Pakistan. I believe Talibans rule was, to great extent, islamic but they were too strict in some cases, maybe they were not given enough time to settle (they were ousted only 4-5 years of taking control of Afghanistan).

Really you want Islamic Rule...???

Then as per Quran, there is no death punishment for blasphemy...!!!

So are you ready for this real Islam ...???
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

this is for scholars to decide

Quran: 73:9-12

[FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont](وہی) مشرق اور مغرب کا مالک (ہے اور) اس کے سوا کوئی معبود نہیں تو اسی کو اپنا کارساز بناؤ (۹) [/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]اور جو جو (دل آزار) باتیں یہ لوگ کہتے ہیں ان کو سہتے رہو اور اچھے طریق سے ان سے کنارہ کش رہو (۱۰)[/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]اور مجھے ان جھٹلانے والوں سے جو دولتمند ہیں سمجھ لینے دو اور ان کو تھوڑی سی مہلت دے دو (۱۱) [/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]کچھ شک نہیں کہ ہمارے پاس بیڑیاں ہیں اور بھڑکتی ہوئی آگ ہے (۱۲)[/FONT]

Islam Quran ko follow kerne ka naam hai. Scholars ko follow kerne ka naam nahi hai.

Apne scholers se ja k poocho k Quran ki nas-e-sareeh k hote hue dil aazari ki baaton ki saza death kiyun tajweez kerte hain... Jab k Quran main aisi punishment ka koi zikkar nahi...???

You really want Islam or not ... this ayet is your test
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Quran: 73:9-12

[FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont](وہی) مشرق اور مغرب کا مالک (ہے اور) اس کے سوا کوئی معبود نہیں تو اسی کو اپنا کارساز بناؤ (۹) [/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]اور جو جو (دل آزار) باتیں یہ لوگ کہتے ہیں ان کو سہتے رہو اور اچھے طریق سے ان سے کنارہ کش رہو (۱۰)[/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]اور مجھے ان جھٹلانے والوں سے جو دولتمند ہیں سمجھ لینے دو اور ان کو تھوڑی سی مہلت دے دو (۱۱) [/FONT][FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]کچھ شک نہیں کہ ہمارے پاس بیڑیاں ہیں اور بھڑکتی ہوئی آگ ہے (۱۲)[/FONT]

Islam Quran ko follow kerne ka naam hai. Scholars ko follow kerne ka naam nahi hai.

Apne scholers se ja k poocho k Quran ki nas-e-sareeh k hote hue dil aazari ki baaton ki saza death kiyun tajweez kerte hain... Jab k Quran main aisi punishment ka koi zikkar nahi...???

You really want Islam or not ... this ayet is your test

I am not an expert on Quran and sunnah which is why I said it is up to scholars to decide for they are much more knowledgeable then me. Also as far as I know Quran does not tell you how to perform namaaz either.
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

I am not an expert on Quran and sunnah which is why I said it is up to scholars to decide for they are much more knowledgeable then me. Also as far as I know Quran does not tell you how to perform namaaz either.

Quran namaz se mana bhi nahi kerta. Aur dil aazari ki baaton main there is clear instruction in Quran. iss ko chorr k kisi doosri extreme ko apna lena aur phir issrar kerna ... Ye konsa islam hai...???

issi liye talban flop he rahein gy ... because konsa koi real Islam ki struggle hai...!!!
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Quran namaz se mana bhi nahi kerta. Aur dil aazari ki baaton main there is clear instruction in Quran. iss ko chorr k kisi doosri extreme ko apna lena aur phir issrar kerna ... Ye konsa islam hai...???

issi liye talban flop he rahein gy ... because konsa koi real Islam ki struggle hai...!!!
Like I said I leave this up to knowledgable people.
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Like I said I leave this up to knowledgable people.

Day of Judgment ko jab tum se questions poochay jayein gy phir kya os waqt scholars se pooch k answers do gy...???

Now I tell you this is another Talban ideology. Thats why they promote hatred towards knowledge and education. Apne followers ko jahil rakhne main he on ka bhala hai...

Once a pro-talban forum member told me that "ilam hasil karo chahe cheen jana parre" is a fake hadith and he denied need of acquiring knowledge.

That time I could not understand why denied that hadith. But afterwards I concluded in another thread in following words:

Previously I failed to understand why he called it fake hadith. But after thorough watch over his and like minded peoples' opinions over here .... I have concluded that in actual, mentally they have accepted their defeat from Western world on front of knowledge and wisdom. The moto given to them by their Mullah aqas is only to prepare ground for their political control ... And this political control is not to be sought through the path of knowledge and wisdom ... because they know that from this path, they will not be able to win any bettle.

With this defeated mindset, now they have decided to use any cheap tactics ... including praising terrorists and projecting them as rightful mujahids .... doing takfeer of others and supporting violent protests so as to get sufficient 'street power' of jahil mob,,,, whose eventual purpose will be to increase the political control of their mullah aqas.

They purposefully defame Pak Army ,,, specially officers .... They are only trying to win support of like minded ppl from within army.

In fact they are only playing in the hands of their aqas ... and their aqas are trying to play big games. And their games have nothing to do with teachings of Islam...!!!
 
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MYCOUNTRY

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

The reason is very simple bro, they are barbarians with guns and general population is fearful of them.
The flag u r showing are more barbarians then Taliban,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Taliban are uneducated from jungle but what about USA more educated or so call more educated civilized nation , bombed from Japan Vietnam to Afghnistan ?
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Day of Judgment ko jab tum se questions poochay jayein gy phir kya os waqt scholars se pooch k answers do gy...???

Now I tell you this is another Talban ideology. Thats why they promote hatred towards knowledge and education. Apne followers ko jahil rakhne main he on ka bhala hai...

Once a pro-talban forum member told me that "ilam hasil karo chahe cheen jana parre" is a fake hadith and he denied need of acquiring knowledge.

That time I could not understand why denied that hadith. But afterwards I concluded in another thread in following words:

Previously I failed to understand why he called it fake hadith. But after thorough watch over his and like minded peoples' opinions over here .... I have concluded that in actual, mentally they have accepted their defeat from Western world on front of knowledge and wisdom. The moto given to them by their Mullah aqas is only to prepare ground for their political control ... And this political control is not to be sought through the path of knowledge and wisdom ... because they know that from this path, they will not be able to win any bettle.

With this defeated mindset, now they have decided to use any cheap tactics ... including praising terrorists and projecting them as rightful mujahids .... doing takfeer of others and supporting violent protests so as to get sufficient 'street power' of jahil mob,,,, whose eventual purpose will be to increase the political control of their mullah aqas.

They purposefully defame Pak Army ,,, specially officers .... They are only trying to win support of like minded ppl from within army.

In fact they are only playing in the hands of their aqas ... and their aqas are trying to play big games. And their games have nothing to do with teachings of Islam...!!!

I'm not sure why you are continuing to drag this, all I'm saying is that I am not an expert on Quran and sunnah so I cannot tell you whether the punishment for blasphemy is death or not. As for the hadith you quoted, I have also read this hadith is weak though I do believe acquiring worldly knowledge is needed and also your conclusion of supposed mullahs conspiracy to keep people uneducated for political control sounds ridiculous.
 

haidhu80

MPA (400+ posts)
I just want to add something to this hot discussion. The time of Taliban in Afghanistan was the most peaceful time in last 3 decades. The reduction of heroin, de-weaponisation, law and order were the key things they did during their time. On one occasion 2 tribes were fighting with each other and they were throwing stones at each other coz they were not having weapons. I am very much against Taliban in Pakistan and what they did to our Swatis but one thing is for sure that there was peace in their time. Everyone was feeling safe. When you have time, go to Afghanistan and talk to people and they will tell you. If someone deny it then there is no need to prove it but even those who were against taliban in Afghanistan will accept that they bring peace in Afghanistan......
 

iceburg

Banned
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

I'm not sure why you are continuing to drag this, all I'm saying is that I am not an expert on Quran and sunnah so I cannot tell you whether the punishment for blasphemy is death or not. As for the hadith you quoted, I have also read this hadith is weak though I do believe acquiring worldly knowledge is needed and also your conclusion of supposed mullahs conspiracy to keep people uneducated for political control sounds ridiculous.

Even in a recent interview, Munawwar Hassan, Amir JI, tried to justify "no need" of getting education on science and technology.

Anyways your position is you want Islamic Rule. Now what is Islam, you leave it to scholars.

And you are not willing to question things from scholars.

So now I only can request you to please bring a scholar on this thread as I need justification of death penalty for 'dil aazari ki baatain' in the light of Quran 73:9-12
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Even in a recent interview, Munawwar Hassan, Amir JI, tried to justify "no need" of getting education on science and technology.

Anyways your position is you want Islamic Rule. Now what is Islam, you leave it to scholars.

And you are not willing to question things from scholars.

So now I only can request you to please bring a scholar on this thread as I need justification of death penalty for 'dil aazari ki baatain' in the light of Quran 73:9-12

If Munawar Hassan said that then he is wrong. Scholars are more knowledgable then me so ofcourse they will decide and how can I question scholars when I don't know anything myself?
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
there's a difference between the SUN and those statues....guess what?

one is men-made while the other has been created by Allah the Lord Al-mighty.

although those statues presented cultural heritage but just for a minute contemplate....is there any difference between those statues and the ones that were kept in Kaaba before advent of Islam? if there is none then they are better off destroyed. if they weren't meant for worshiping then well! that's how taliban are! :)

wese I imagine how would taliban react to the FIRE which is worshiped by Zoroastrians? I think they would like to douse all the fire in the world...but then again how would they be able to cook DUM-PUKHT? and water/air/earth/electricity based suicide bombing is not possible at the moment.
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I just want to add something to this hot discussion. The time of Taliban in Afghanistan was the most peaceful time in last 3 decades...snip

peaceful as in 'systematic 'hush! hush!' genocide of adversaries' or lack of battles?
 

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