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Afghanistan is going to surface as a great power - Orya Maqbool Jan
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Wake up Pak
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Hazrat isa nahi aain gaay. Quran parho kisi khush fehmi may na raho.
Agar tum khatme nabouwat ko nahi mantay tu maseehoo key tarah wait kartay raho.
Agar tum khatme nabouwat ko nahi mantay tu maseehoo key tarah wait kartay raho.
TONIC
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nazool e Masih will happen when Jesus PBUH will come back again to kill Dajjal and he will pray behind Imam Mahdi RA and Jesus PBUH will marry and will die a natural death and will be buried in Roza e Rasul PBUH.
Don’t believe in any other story which is told by Qadiani or their sympathisers.
Read Quran it is very clear when Jesus will speak at an old age which never came on him till he was in this world.
Even if you don’t believe in Islam think logically that not only Muslims believe in second coming but Christians also believe in same theology which means majority of humanity believes it.
Don’t believe in any other story which is told by Qadiani or their sympathisers.
Read Quran it is very clear when Jesus will speak at an old age which never came on him till he was in this world.
Even if you don’t believe in Islam think logically that not only Muslims believe in second coming but Christians also believe in same theology which means majority of humanity believes it.
Try and learn what actual deen of islam is by trying to understand at least some basics about the quran.
AL-Quran : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Need for revelation (urdu)
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Dear tonic, your logic seems problematic because it is objectively inconsistent. For example, if we go by what majority believes then most people in the world today are nonmuslim. Does that means they are on the right track? Of course not.
Also hindus and christians both become a majority when it comes to believing in incarnation of God. Does that make their belief right? No.
It is better for us who claim to be muslims to try our best to make proper sense of the text of the quran in its own proper context.
Oria maqbool jan sb has a lot of information in his head but he has little sense when it comes to making proper sense of it like dr israra ahmed sb marhoom or modoodi sb marhoom.
regards and all the best.
Quraan aur Pakistan : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
An urdu lecture about reason for creation of pakistan.
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Wake up Pak
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Here is just one ayat from the Qur'an which dostroys the hadith followers narrative that Jesus will return.
Qur'an 3:144
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.
Qur'an 3:144
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.
TONIC
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Majority is non Muslims but majority believes in return of Christ (which is Christians 2 B and Muslims 1.5 B) so all can’t be wrong :)Dear tonic, your logic seems problematic because it is objectively inconsistent. For example, if we go by what majority believes then most people in the world today are nonmuslim. Does that means they are on the right track? Of course not.
Also hindus and christians both become a majority when it comes to believing in incarnation of God. Does that make their belief right? No.
It is better for us who claim to be muslims to try our best to make proper sense of the text of the quran in its own proper context.
Oria maqbool jan sb has a lot of information in his head but he has little sense when it comes to making proper sense of it like dr israra ahmed sb marhoom or modoodi sb marhoom.
regards and all the best.
Quraan aur Pakistan : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
An urdu lecture about reason for creation of pakistan.archive.org
azeezam tonic sb, majority is always wrong unless it is an educated majority that can think purposefully logically consistently and the same goes for the minority. So the common point is consistent purposeful rational thinking.
Let me try and explain it in another way. You see whenever there is an issue and people differ about it, how can we remove the difference? Only and only by explaining the issue to each other in a way that makes better sense so that the other side could be persuaded to change their mind. If we do not do that then the issue cannot be decided peacefully.
The world always ended up in wars because some people either did not have enough sense to explain their point to others or the others did not have enough sense to understand what they were told.
Human brain only and only thinks logically but it needs a lot of training to be able to get the needed information about an issue and put it together the right way so that it makes proper sense. This is why learning sense of making proper sense of things is absolutely necessary for being able to decide issues rationally.
Looking at issue of jesus for example, we know christians are divided regarding him whether he is God or a prophet of God. Majority say they believe he is a God incarnate but there is a minority that says it believes him to be a human being and a prophet of God.
So we need to come up with sound arguments to see which side may be right or which side may be wrong. We cannot say majority is right just because it is a majority or minority is right just because it is minority.
A purposefully consistent argument is only that which takes all relevant information regarding an issue and puts it together in a logically consistent way step by step. This is how rules of sound judgement are established for judging the issues and that is why they are used in courts of law all over the world for deciding cases between people about which they differ. Both sides present their arguments and whoever is able to persuade the judge the case under consideration is decide in his favour.
Moreover the quran needs to be understood in light of real world realities. This means we cannot believe in things which breach natural set up systems and laws. It is because if we believe things can happen haphazardly then we lose ground altogether as to how to judge things so we end up confused therefore in chaos.
Imagine the fire did not work the way it should or the water did not work the we expect it to work then how can we trust anything at all in this world or say anything at all about anything or predict anything at all about anything? We can only predict things or forecast things due to our past experiences and experiments but if we throw away this idea then we are left in lurch or suspense. This is why God has to do things the way they make sense and not the way they become a problems for us as well as for God himself.
regards and all the best.
NeutralMafia
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