Adliya Ka Ihtesaab kyoon nahi?

[bhitai]

Kia Pakistan mein sirf Siasat daan he bikaoo maal hain?

Jo musharraf nay zulm 1999-2007 kiye, kia unn mein Supreme court Judges KA QUSOOR NAHI??

Did the Supreme court ever apologize to the public about its DARK PAST? Esp. viz Zafar Ali Shah case?

Please don't consider this as an apology for corrupt politicians. I'm not using the logic 'corruption is the politicians' right since everybody does it' (as one PPP guy put it) here. I am simply repeating this VALID point raised by another PPP mouthpiece, and hoping the folks at siasat.pk will NOT start shooting the messenger!

kia hamari Adaliya aur Fauj sacred cows hain?

Agar nahi, toe unkay baaray mein media itna chup kyoon hay?
Arsalan Iftikhar's story was raised by none other than ANSAR ABBASI in 2002. As soon as the lawyer's movement started in 2007, he became a patient of dementia, forgetting all the past *alleged* abuse of power by the honorable IK. Please don't get me wrong - I think IK pulled an amazing feat by standing up to Musharraf, but he also represents a quandary here: why is it OK to forget his past, but not forget that of the politicians??

 

[Gudo_]

Kia Pakistan mein sirf Siasat daan he bikaoo maal hain?

Jo musharraf nay zulm 1999-2007 kiye, kia unn mein Supreme court Judges KA QUSOOR NAHI??

Did the Supreme court ever apologize to the public about its DARK PAST? Esp. viz Zafar Ali Shah case?

Please don't consider this as an apology for corrupt politicians. I'm not using the logic 'corruption is the politicians' right since everybody does it' (as one PPP guy put it) here. I am simply repeating this VALID point raised by another PPP mouthpiece, and hoping the folks at siasat.pk will NOT start shooting the messenger!

kia hamari Adaliya aur Fauj sacred cows hain?

Agar nahi, toe unkay baaray mein media itna chup kyoon hay?
Arsalan Iftikhar's story was raised by none other than ANSAR ABBASI in 2002. As soon as the lawyer's movement started in 2007, he became a patient of dementia, forgetting all the past *alleged* abuse of power by the honorable IK. Please don't get me wrong - I think IK pulled an amazing feat by standing up to Musharraf, but he also represents a quandary here: why is it OK to forget his past, but not forget that of the politicians??

....................................bhi ji yah mushraf ko kis ny hifazat ky sath bhir bhjja, btty zar,, zardri uncle ny,or woh zafar ali shah wala case bhi hakoomat ny rokwaya howa ha,.jbh tak hakoomat adliya kay kamoo mudhlat kary gy tabh ta ko kam nhi ho ga y,hh,,baqi sab case bhi hakoomat ny rokway howy ha kiyo kay u nh mian siyasat dan molviis ha, or yah kam goverment ko karny ha na inh saabh kay kahty koohly na kay , kisi or kay,.tata.by by

 

[GASindh]

Good Points.

First about CJ, my personal opinion only.

I think just one of his stand which has changed the direction of our history clears his past slate and that was standing up to Musharraf orders.

Just imagine yourself in his shoes on that eventful day in President House, knowing fully that the five Generals present in the meeting along with PM would have no problem to eliminate him (CJ). He was also aware that if he remained obedient, he would enjoy all the perks and great lifestyle and can make billions by taking a cut from decisions being made for mega projects like Steel Mill, etc.

But he said NO.
And that No has been the biggest factor for demise of dictator from our country.

About Politicians sins, I would say.

Kuch Ghunah Chotay Hotay Hain Kuch Baray, Kuch Kabil Muafi, Kuch Ki Na Ho Sakay Tallafi.

IK said Sorry for siding with Musharraf on referendum but you can punish him if you feel there is any Taazerat e Pakistan applicable on this jurm.

Compare that with the crimes of other politicians, all involved in economic corruption, embazzlements, murders, etc.

Imran Khan has proposed for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where looted money is returned to exchequer in return for a General Amnesty for all provided you return the money.

I dont think politicians would agree to that as they do not want the truth to come out because it finishes everyone's political career and future opportunities to make money. These politicians want Pakistan to remain their playground where they can make billions while enjoying a royal lifestyle, can you think of better business that this.

There should be no sacred Cow including Army and Judges but how can a corrupt politician make laws to punish others when he knows that he will be first one to get caught.

For a New Bright Future, Please vote for PTI, if you are in Pakistan and if you are overseas, please convince your family to vote for Imran Khan. They would listen to you because they love you, care for you and in some cases grateful to you because you are paying some of the bills.

 

[abbasiali]

Good Points.

First about CJ, my personal opinion only.

I think just one of his stand which has changed the direction of our history clears his past slate and that was standing up to Musharraf orders.

Just imagine yourself in his shoes on that eventful day in President House, knowing fully that the five Generals present in the meeting along with PM would have no problem to eliminate him (CJ). He was also aware that if he remained obedient, he would enjoy all the perks and great lifestyle and can make billions by taking a cut from decisions being made for mega projects like Steel Mill, etc.

But he said NO.
And that No has been the biggest factor for demise of dictator from our country.

About Politicians sins, I would say.

Kuch Ghunah Chotay Hotay Hain Kuch Baray, Kuch Kabil Muafi, Kuch Ki Na Ho Sakay Tallafi.

IK said Sorry for siding with Musharraf on referendum but you can punish him if you feel there is any Taazerat e Pakistan applicable on this jurm.

Compare that with the crimes of other politicians, all involved in economic corruption, embazzlements, murders, etc.

Imran Khan has proposed for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where looted money is returned to exchequer in return for a General Amnesty for all provided you return the money.

I dont think politicians would agree to that as they do not want the truth to come out because it finishes everyone's political career and future opportunities to make money. These politicians want Pakistan to remain their playground where they can make billions while enjoying a royal lifestyle, can you think of better business that this.

There should be no sacred Cow including Army and Judges but how can a corrupt politician make laws to punish others when he knows that he will be first one to get caught.

For a New Bright Future, Please vote for PTI, if you are in Pakistan and if you are overseas, please convince your family to vote for Imran Khan. They would listen to you because they love you, care for you and in some cases grateful to you because you are paying some of the bills.

Classic brainy review

 

[bhitai]

Good Points.

First about CJ, my personal opinion only.

I think just one of his stand which has changed the direction of our history clears his past slate and that was standing up to Musharraf orders.

Musharraf of 1999 was arguably much more powerful than the Musharraf of 2007. We all know that by 2007, the failures of his PML-Q cronies had left a bad taste in our mouths.

Can you imagine the Lawyers movement picking up ANY MOMENTUM whatsoever in 1999?

the CJ and other PCO folks gave a blank-check to Mushy in 1999. Who is going to atone for the 5,6 years he spent messing with Pakistan's future?

Just imagine yourself in his shoes on that eventful day in President House, knowing fully that the five Generals present in the meeting along with PM would have no problem to eliminate him (CJ). He was also aware that if he remained obedient, he would enjoy all the perks and great lifestyle and can make billions by taking a cut from decisions being made for mega projects like Steel Mill, etc.

But he said NO.
And that No has been the biggest factor for demise of dictator from our country.

I can't imagine Iftikhar Chodry mustering this courage back in 1999, when the general was 'mukhtaar-e-kul'. By 2007, the media was decidedly against musharraf, public sentiment was totally against him, and Pakistani Army's morale was touching rock-bottom.

About Politicians sins, I would say.

Kuch Ghunah Chotay Hotay Hain Kuch Baray, Kuch Kabil Muafi, Kuch Ki Na Ho Sakay Tallafi.

inn gunahon ke padaash mein politicians jailon mein sartay hain.

konsa judge AAJ TAK jail mein sarra hay?

IK said Sorry for siding with Musharraf on referendum but you can punish him if you feel there is any Taazerat e Pakistan applicable on this jurm.

IK has owned up to his mistake, so good for him! thankfully his approval didn't mean much anyway!

Compare that with the crimes of other politicians, all involved in economic corruption, embazzlements, murders, etc.

Imran Khan has proposed for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where looted money is returned to exchequer in return for a General Amnesty for all provided you return the money.


I dont think politicians would agree to that as they do not want the truth to come out

Aur Adaliya apna ihtesaab kaisay karay gee? Aaj tak toe yeh nazara daikhnay mein nahi aaya.

the best they can do is to reverse their Zafar-Ali-Shah ruling. Uskay Baad Allah-Allah khair-salla. Mutassirin-e-Musharraf pay mitti pao!!

because it finishes everyone's political career and future opportunities to make money. These politicians want Pakistan to remain their playground where they can make billions while enjoying a royal lifestyle, can you think of better business that this.

There should be no sacred Cow including Army and Judges but how can a corrupt politician make laws to punish others when he knows that he will be first one to get caught.

do you think in OUR lifetimes we'll be seeing an independent audit of the military?

saara nazla ghoom phir kay siasat-danon pay he girta hay huzoor!

 

[sshahid]

Don't go by their slogans. Their aim is to divert the attention of the people. If they want accountability for all, they can start the process immediately and they should, they are the people in power to do it. It is pathetic when you hear this complain from a sitting Minister "sub ka ehtasab karo sirf politician ka nahi", sounds like they are not in government but some helpless awam raising demands. They provide evidence with this complain that they have failed in governance - think about it. They want to leave everything for the judiciary on purpose and then try to blame the judiciary for overstepping their limits.

I agree what GASindh said, vote PTI if you are in Pakistan and if not, encourage your relatives in Pakistan to vote PTI. See what you can do for Pakistan and actually do it.

 

[bhitai]

"sub ka ehtasab karo sirf politician ka nahi", sounds like they are not in government but some helpless awam raising demands. They provide evidence with this complain that they have failed in governance - think about it. They want to leave everything for the judiciary on purpose and then try to blame the judiciary for overstepping their limits.

the last I checked, the process that is used to judge who failed to govern and who didn't is called ELECTIONS!

and if a politician says 'why not', you better have a good answer for it.

why not military, why not adaliya??

why not?

 

[syed_nd]

yeh to gov. ka kaam hai or uss main mqm bhee hai to kaho bhaee say karwa lay woh aisee baat nahee karay ga kion kay iss soorat to ussay london say lanay ka order bhee ho sakta hai magar nahee uss kay liye to uss nay qadyanio ka sahara lay rakha hai

 

[GASindh]

Good Points.

First about CJ, my personal opinion only.

I think just one of his stand which has changed the direction of our history clears his past slate and that was standing up to Musharraf orders.

Musharraf of 1999 was arguably much more powerful than the Musharraf of 2007. We all know that by 2007, the failures of his PML-Q cronies had left a bad taste in our mouths.

Can you imagine the Lawyers movement picking up ANY MOMENTUM whatsoever in 1999?

the CJ and other PCO folks gave a blank-check to Mushy in 1999. Who is going to atone for the 5,6 years he spent messing with Pakistan's future?

Just imagine yourself in his shoes on that eventful day in President House, knowing fully that the five Generals present in the meeting along with PM would have no problem to eliminate him (CJ). He was also aware that if he remained obedient, he would enjoy all the perks and great lifestyle and can make billions by taking a cut from decisions being made for mega projects like Steel Mill, etc.

But he said NO.
And that No has been the biggest factor for demise of dictator from our country.

I can't imagine Iftikhar Chodry mustering this courage back in 1999, when the general was 'mukhtaar-e-kul'. By 2007, the media was decidedly against musharraf, public sentiment was totally against him, and Pakistani Army's morale was touching rock-bottom.


[quote:3sq7pyle]About Politicians sins, I would say.

Kuch Ghunah Chotay Hotay Hain Kuch Baray, Kuch Kabil Muafi, Kuch Ki Na Ho Sakay Tallafi.

inn gunahon ke padaash mein politicians jailon mein sartay hain.

konsa judge AAJ TAK jail mein sarra hay?

IK said Sorry for siding with Musharraf on referendum but you can punish him if you feel there is any Taazerat e Pakistan applicable on this jurm.

IK has owned up to his mistake, so good for him! thankfully his approval didn't mean much anyway!

Compare that with the crimes of other politicians, all involved in economic corruption, embazzlements, murders, etc.

Imran Khan has proposed for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where looted money is returned to exchequer in return for a General Amnesty for all provided you return the money.


I dont think politicians would agree to that as they do not want the truth to come out

Aur Adaliya apna ihtesaab kaisay karay gee? Aaj tak toe yeh nazara daikhnay mein nahi aaya.

the best they can do is to reverse their Zafar-Ali-Shah ruling. Uskay Baad Allah-Allah khair-salla. Mutassirin-e-Musharraf pay mitti pao!!

because it finishes everyone's political career and future opportunities to make money. These politicians want Pakistan to remain their playground where they can make billions while enjoying a royal lifestyle, can you think of better business that this.

There should be no sacred Cow including Army and Judges but how can a corrupt politician make laws to punish others when he knows that he will be first one to get caught.

do you think in OUR lifetimes we'll be seeing an independent audit of the military?

saara nazla ghoom phir kay siasat-danon pay he girta hay huzoor![/quote:3sq7pyle]


You may keep repeating about CJs previous sins, but there comes a time when one sees Hidayat, one sees light and takes account of his past and then acts to rectify that. I genuinely believe CJ acted out of his conviction and not for fame and money.

Yes He was part of previous PCO judges, yes he may have made mistakes, yes he may have used his influence for his sons appointment in FIA but let me tell you one thing my friend, only NABHIS (Prophets) dont make mistakes, Ordinary human beings do and CJ is aik Aam Inssan just like you and me.

But his one NO clears his previous slate, just like Hajj clears your sins.
(extreme example, please dont take it as an absolute example)


Re your comments about politician only at receiving end and military audit, it is a question of chicken and egg, what to do first.

Politicians need to make a Shafaf Ehtasabi System and who can stop politicians from making Military and Judges accountable in such a system. Ball is in Politicians court and Buck Stops with them.

 

[bhitai]

You may keep repeating about CJs previous sins, but there comes a time when one sees Hidayat, one sees light and takes account of his past and then acts to rectify that

you are bringing up 'roohani' arguments which have no merit in the eyes of the law.

those who aid and abet a dictator (i.e. violator of the constitution): there's some serious punishment for them prescribed in our constitution!

 

[GASindh]

You may keep repeating about CJs previous sins, but there comes a time when one sees Hidayat, one sees light and takes account of his past and then acts to rectify that

you are bringing up 'roohani' arguments which have no merit in the eyes of the law.

those who aid and abet a dictator (i.e. violator of the constitution): there's some serious punishment for them prescribed in our constitution!

I am only stating mental process over a longer period of time, some see the light and others remain the same forever like AH, he was devious and will remain devious and no one will believe him even he really changes becasue of enormous sins - quantatively and qualtatively.

Please go and file a suit against CJ, if you feel this way.

 

[bhitai]

GA Sindh,

if you want to argue, I am all game:

can you bring up a single post in this forum, and I mean all of them, where I have supported musharraf one bit?

 

[GASindh]

GA Sindh,

if you want to argue, I am all game:

can you bring up a single post in this forum, and I mean all of them, where I have supported musharraf one bit?

Sorry didn't get your point, where did I say your supported Musharraf in this thread.

 

[bhitai]

GASindh

don't be dishonest. You used the term 'your daddy musharraf'. As if I am his proponent here. The comment got removed by the admin, along with my question as to why you used those words!

 

[GASindh]

GASindh

don't be dishonest. You used the term 'your daddy musharraf'. As if I am his proponent here. The comment got removed by the admin, along with my question as to why you used those words!

I am not being dishonest. Musharraf as a Daddy was used for MQM not you personally.

 

[bhitai]

^ then it was still totally baseless, and personal to boot, considering I have not only not supported musharraf, but also written against MQM support for him. Do a search if you can and see for yourself..