A serious question to all MQM supporters

[butshikan]

@ Rakeem: Bro here it is like this.....

If it is head MQM loose

If it is tails MQM haters wins ;)

LOL, you got a fake coin brother [hilar]

Its not with the coin we got (it hav both head n tail) but....... [hmmm]

Only depends on who set the rules ;)

 

[rakeem82]

[quote="Tanweer.Amjad":1ope33gc]

These is a lot of effort going on for people to persuade people not to vote for MQM. If you have problems with MQM or its leader, don't vote for it. But instead incorporate these things which MQM does in their own party in whatever political party you like:
1. Pressurize your political leadership PML-N or PPP to give ticket to middle or lower middle class political worker for parliament instead of their relatives. An ordinary worker living in that area would be abreast of the problems and would do more to help the people in that area.
2. Hold these party workers responsible and accountable, how they govern reward them based on their performance.
3. Although we are muslims yet in Punjab people still act and behave like hindus grade them for what caste they belong to if they're rajputs they are adjudged better then others this is caste system, government post should be based on performance [what you did for your constituents last time], vote for him based on his working background not his family background.
4. In Punjab, if one brother goes in Nawaz league the other one goes in Peoples Party if their is a third one he joins the army when you yourself think of attaining power then you will get leaders who crave for power as well.
5. MQM sacrificed thousands of lives to become a political party of the middle class people in a country where rich people like feudals, military generals and industrialists rule. Middle class who for 20 years contribute to more than 80 % of taxes to Pakistan whereas since 1988 beginning of civilian rule, rich have considerably gotten their burden reduced or eliminated, try asking your political party how they will put tax on themselves reduce the burden on middle and lower middle class.
And last but not the least regarding these false accusations, as far as I know in Karachi MQM does'nt run any Bhatta system, JSQM[Jiye Sindh Qoumi Mahaaz] is a known party which does bhatta to run their day-to-day affairs , MQM has its plate full they are not desperate to get votes in Punjab they will remain a reality for every government in Karachi opposition or coalition partner, be your own leader your own political party for your area, you are the majority 98 % of Pakistan only you can protect your own interests if you remain hostage to these feudals and industrialists then blaming MQM which does'nt have a political stake in you area would not improve your situation.

6. Use terror against whoever opposes your stance even if whole city could think differently.

Karachi is far better then these happenings in Punjab. Isn't this terror and inhuman:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw2Y-DEpCPY[/video]

The difference is that Karachiites have MQM over the same policemen to control these news.[/quote:1ope33gc]

If MQM would've controlled news they would'nt have been called terrorists all over Punjab. I did'nt ask you to vote for MQM I just gave you the hard reality of these Punjabi parties PML-N and Peoples Party how they treat their own grass root level workers especially the middle-class, no one can improve Punjab situation if Punjabis themselves don't want to address it.

 

[alihbkable]

[quote="Tanweer.Amjad":18zmj9za]

These is a lot of effort going on for people to persuade people not to vote for MQM. If you have problems with MQM or its leader, don't vote for it. But instead incorporate these things which MQM does in their own party in whatever political party you like:
1. Pressurize your political leadership PML-N or PPP to give ticket to middle or lower middle class political worker for parliament instead of their relatives. An ordinary worker living in that area would be abreast of the problems and would do more to help the people in that area.
2. Hold these party workers responsible and accountable, how they govern reward them based on their performance.
3. Although we are muslims yet in Punjab people still act and behave like hindus grade them for what caste they belong to if they're rajputs they are adjudged better then others this is caste system, government post should be based on performance [what you did for your constituents last time], vote for him based on his working background not his family background.
4. In Punjab, if one brother goes in Nawaz league the other one goes in Peoples Party if their is a third one he joins the army when you yourself think of attaining power then you will get leaders who crave for power as well.
5. MQM sacrificed thousands of lives to become a political party of the middle class people in a country where rich people like feudals, military generals and industrialists rule. Middle class who for 20 years contribute to more than 80 % of taxes to Pakistan whereas since 1988 beginning of civilian rule, rich have considerably gotten their burden reduced or eliminated, try asking your political party how they will put tax on themselves reduce the burden on middle and lower middle class.
And last but not the least regarding these false accusations, as far as I know in Karachi MQM does'nt run any Bhatta system, JSQM[Jiye Sindh Qoumi Mahaaz] is a known party which does bhatta to run their day-to-day affairs , MQM has its plate full they are not desperate to get votes in Punjab they will remain a reality for every government in Karachi opposition or coalition partner, be your own leader your own political party for your area, you are the majority 98 % of Pakistan only you can protect your own interests if you remain hostage to these feudals and industrialists then blaming MQM which does'nt have a political stake in you area would not improve your situation.

6. Use terror against whoever opposes your stance even if whole city could think differently.

Karachi is far better then these happenings in Punjab. Isn't this terror and inhuman:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw2Y-DEpCPY[/video]

The difference is that Karachiites have MQM over the same policemen to control these news.

If MQM would've controlled news they would'nt have been called terrorists all over Punjab. I did'nt ask you to vote for MQM I just gave you the hard reality of these Punjabi parties PML-N and Peoples Party how they treat their own grass root level workers especially the middle-class, no one can improve Punjab situation if Punjabis themselves don't want to address it.[/quote:18zmj9za]
Dude! u have made it a Karachi vs Punjab discussion for nothing
Talk of MQM iff u have any valid points.

And u called PPP and PMLN as Punjabi parties. U have no idea of what u r talking about. actually problem ye hai k anti-Punjab elements in our society see all the Pakistan apart from there area as Punjab. Larkana Sindh mei hai, but these people will not know of it.

PMLN gave ticket to Shakeel Awan. from NA-55. Did u appreciate. No. U didnt, instead MQM was supporting Sheikh Rasheed who smokes a ciggare worth Rs. thousands. U knw y MQM supporters never appreciated bcuz PMLN leadership belongs to Punjab. How does that feel?
Pinches. No?
Hme b bura lgta hai jab aap Punjab ko just for nothing blame krte ho. or to or PPP ko bhe Punjab k khaatay mei daal dia. itna zulm na kero bhai hum masumon per.

Ab hum Punjabi gaali kha k badmaza hone lagay hain bcz ab hum logon ko koi malaal waghera nai hai. Hum ne CJP movement mei kamzoron ka sath dia or unko taaqatwar kr dia. Hum ne taaqatwar Musharraf ki mukhalifat ki or usko kamzor kr dia. It isnt that same old Punjab buddy!
Abhe or mai nai chahta kuch kehna. Mai yahan pe pehle bhe aap ki tarah k Punjab maniacs ki boltian band kerwa chuka hun.
Agr koi shauk ho tou agli post kr k dekh lena Punjab k khilaf. aap logon k munh pe kaalak malna aati hai hme.

It would b better if u keep this discussion focused on the issues that have been raised by Gazoo bhai. Hanky Panky kro ge to mje acha nai lgta k mai racial comments pass krun, bt I wont hear a word against my Punjab from the supporters of a party whose leaders clim that the establishment of Pakistan in 1947 was the gr8st blunder in da history of mankind.

And I m a proud Pakistani, Punjabi, Urdu speaking person.
yahan aaey ho tou koi vo baat kero jo krne wali hai. Racial comments pass kro ge to jese aap jese dusre MQM supporters ko bhaga dia hai, aap ko bhe apni aggressive logic se bhaagne pe majboor kr deingay.


I think the message is quite loud and clear!

 

[YAHYA87]

@gazoomartian

First of all you have you said you watched a video of MQM worker donating RS8000 to posting.php?mode=reply&f=18&t=18070# but you didnt provide any reference of that video so plz provide a reference first before asking MQMer to answer because he might have told many other things as well but you are only saying about RS 8000....The qustion you raised is valid so allow me to TRY to answer that...


1. How do you send this sum of cool millions to Mr. Hussein? Its fair to assume again that its sent thru 'hundi'---surely not thru bank drafts. using hundi, are you not depriving Pak of big foreign exchange?

ANSWER: MQM workers and sympethizers send money to Altaf Hussain just like Pakistani living in abroad or living in other cities send their money to their home and BTW is sending money to Altaf is illegal by Britain and Pakistan???As you watch that person taking about sending RS8000 to Altaf then he would have told the source as well so watch that video again...

2. Do you not think that you are breaking the law of the country and of the UK? Is this not defined as illegal transfer or money laundering?

ANSWER: In MQM 1% of their income of every workers are provided to MQM and if you know about MQM then they are not just in Karachi and Hyderabad in fact they are in many parts of world likr in South Africa they are much larger then in London and they also have visible presence in USA so money from their is more then enough to run MQM and they dont need to collect Bhatta from Karachi(Bhatta is the story of past now)...BTW I am a Karachiite but I never experienced MQM taking Bhatta to my family, friends or neighbors and to those I know so If you are Karachiite then tell me when the last time you paid Bhatta??and if you are not the Karachiite then confirm it by Karachiite or tell me which member of this forum has paid Bhatta last time to MQM...

3. Why do you spend your own hard earned money to support the life style of a mulzim, who has been accused to over 200 murders and may be other charges---hence not returning to Pak?

ANSWER:Well I am just an MQM supporter so I cant comment that because I dont donate to Altaf Hussain but according to MQM workers "Those are just ACCUSATION not CONVICTION so as he is not being convicted in those murder you are talking about so their is a term called "innocent until proven guilty" which apply on him and if you have proof of that then why dont you share with all of us that Altaf has killed someone"...

4. This sum of Rs96000 could be well spent on your family--school supplies for kids, that little ear rings that your wife has been waiting for, may be your car/scooter needs repairs---the list goes on, somany things in your family have fallen behind....

ANSWER: Most MQM members, workers, sympathizers and supporters are educated people with minimum qualification of matric(only few) and most of MQMers have at least passed intermediate....So they dont have to much worrys about education and if they do then those funds are ready to be spend on them...

5. By collecting money from its members to enjoy a life style that 160million Pakistanis can only dream of, is he not proving to be a columbian drug lord? Why do it, why not spend that money on good cause. I am sure Edhi trust could use it?

ANSWER: First of all who said that all the money collected are spend on just Altaf Hussain???they are spend on MQM not just Altaf Hussain do you know where the money came from for contesting the election in Karachi by a middle class person of MQM...its the same money which is given to Altaf Hussain..The money which you are talking about is party funds and is spend on party not just on Altaf Hiussain...

6. Do you honestly think Mr. Hussein cares about you? if your answer is YES then you have to be the most naive person.

Is it a Question or your judgment because I dont think this is a question....If Altaf hussain dont care about us then his party members like Mustafa kamal are their to care about us...

7. Are you being forced --- by MQM elites --- that you must 'donate' or the consequences could be something to remember? If so, what have you done to aleviate it? Would you call this money grab an extortion?


ANSWER: To be very honest with you never paid or never asked to pay but before eid just like Madarsa/masjid, NGOs they also come door to door for KKF but they never forced it on us....

 

[gazoomartian]

@gazoomartian

First of all you have you said you watched a video of MQM worker donating RS8000 to posting.php?mode=reply&f=18&t=18070#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; but you didnt provide any reference of that video so plz provide a reference first before asking MQMer to answer because he might have told many other things as well but you are only saying about RS 8000....The qustion you raised is valid so allow me to TRY to answer that...


....

thank you, best response from any of the MQM folks, thanks again

 

[YAHYA87]

@gazoomartian

First of all you have you said you watched a video of MQM worker donating RS8000 to posting.php?mode=reply&f=18&t=18070#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; but you didnt provide any reference of that video so plz provide a reference first before asking MQMer to answer because he might have told many other things as well but you are only saying about RS 8000....The qustion you raised is valid so allow me to TRY to answer that...


....

thank you, best response from any of the MQM folks, thanks again

Your most wellcome

 

[rakeem82]

welldone kash puray mulk k log is baat ko samjhay, afsos in logon per hai jo k ganday system ko condemn karnay kay bajaye healthy positive soch or acha mind rakhnay walon ko ganda kartay hain sirf ek taasub ki base per dunya may kitne taraqi ho? rahi hai lekin humaray log taasub may parray hain.