11 yr old disabled Christian girl accused of "burning Quran" in Islamabad

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

Glad you can count words...check this (also two words):



Sad that you cant count.
Bye.
 
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gotti

Guest
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

Sad that you cant count.
Bye.

Hmm...check this:
 

Karwa_Karela

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

I was posting this link to highlight the plight of a retarded 11 year old thrown in jail due to the way the blasphemy law is used in Pakistan. You changed it to media funding and whatnot.

1. I am not debating the claims of foreign money involved in local media.
2. The presidency noticed this case BECAUSE it got airtime in media otherwise she could end up sitting in jail for a long time possibly because her poor parents couldn't afford a decent lawyer.
3. The justice system needs fixing and these kind of unjust cases when highlighted in the media help to form a national consensus towards achieving that goal. If all of this goes unreported do you think anyone will take notice? This is why i drew the parallel with Burma. You demand the media to raise vice against those atrocities so that some one somewhere will take notice and take action. Similarly if someone raises a voice against the injustices being meted out to our minorities maybe someone will take notice and do something.
4. Her banda jail mein rehta hay after their is a physical remand against them. Awein ee jail mein indefinitely kisi ko nahi rakha jata. Ager koi aap per FIR katwaye tu you can get out on bail the next day unless the police goes to court to get a physical remand for further investigation.
5. The system in Pak IS wrong that is why such cases need to be highlighted so that we can muster support to get something to be changed.

but my msg was about the Media, u put up a news article and my response was to that article, why you leashed out??? Were you the author of that article???

In case I don’t forget, I would remind you :

where is the surety on behalf of the Media??? i was waiting for that, so i could rest the case.

would u be rising your voice for providing facilities to the Christine community in Pakistan???

would u be joining the demo for missing persons cause???

would u be writing to CJ for changing the system???

Would u work for providing A/C in Pakistani jails???
 
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gotti

Guest
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

but my msg was about the Media, u put up a news article and my response was to that article, why you leashed out??? Were you the author of that article???

In case I don’t forget, I would remind you :

where is the surety on behalf of the Media??? i was waiting for that, so i could rest the case.

would u be rising your voice for providing facilities to the Christine community in Pakistan???

would u be joining the demo for missing persons cause???

would u be writing to CJ for changing the system???

Would u work for providing A/C in Pakistani jails???


yaar is banday ko jootay partay hain jahan bhi rehta hai europe main ya kahien...

dara hua hai kay pakistan waapis na bhejdain ya wahan kay locals isko nanga ker kay maarnay na lag jain...

na to koi philosophy hai aur na kisi cheez ki koi samajh...isko kiya pata akliyat kai haquq kiya hotay hain...

na to yeh wahan koi minority rights activist hai aur na pakistan main kuch keray ga...

bas likh raha hai kay koi is per jab nazar daalay ga wahan ki agency wala to yeh khush rahay ga

pag@l qism kay log hotay hain yaar...kiya behes kiya argument? choro aap koi aur maslay per time lagao...

waisay zyadatar pakistanion ko hi takleef hoti hai europe waghera main...baqi kisi musalman qaum ko koi farq nahi parta...

turk waghera sab aram say rehtay hain...apne kaam say kaam rakhtay hain...yeh bicharay nikal aatay hain...bhary kay tattu...

kuch kerna hai to kero...warna bakwaas kyun ker rahay ho?...isko videos dikhayi hain na police waali...haat main aa gayi hogi iski

:)
 
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Karwa_Karela

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

yaar is rahay ho?...isko videos dikhayi hain na police waali...haat main aa gayi hogi iski

:)

oh acha, to yay a masla hay, I saw Awan in his name so thought he may be from KP, didn’t know he is abroad and may be facing problem due to net surveillance.
 
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gotti

Guest
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

oh acha, to yay a masla hay, I saw Awan in his name so thought he may be from KP, didn’t know he is abroad and may be facing problem due to net surveillance.

haan...bhai is per koi surveillance waghera kuch nahi hoti...is jaisay banday daray rehtay hain kyunkay inkay baray log inko kehtay hain kay falaan banda pakra gaya dehshatgardi ki aarh main...sirf iss liye kyunkay woh falaan banday say baat kerta tha ya woh e-mail share ker raha tha ya matlab choti moti baatein...laikin in jaahilon ko itna nahi pata kay bhai...usnay kuch kiya tha to pakra gaya...baray mian ki baaton main kyun aa rahay ho fazool main...?...woh to kahaingay...aap hi mujhe batao...jail main saray hi bay gunaah hotay hain kay nahi ? ;)

aur agar KP main hota to gaali galoch ker raha hota jamation kay jalsay main....aisay banday main batheray vekhay nay...inna layi dua keri di hondi aa...inna nu gaalan na kado :)
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

but my msg was about the Media, u put up a news article and my response was to that article, why you leashed out??? Were you the author of that article???

In case I don’t forget, I would remind you :

where is the surety on behalf of the Media??? i was waiting for that, so i could rest the case.

would u be rising your voice for providing facilities to the Christine community in Pakistan???

would u be joining the demo for missing persons cause???

would u be writing to CJ for changing the system???

Would u work for providing A/C in Pakistani jails???


I have been labelled a RAW/CIA agent because I posted lots of posts against the state policy of picking up people without trial in Afghanistan. So yea I am very vehemently against that.

I have been to the missing persons camp and have worked with Amnesty International to raise voice against extra-judicial arrests. We had arranged for her to come to Norway and speak about the case in a Human Rights convention but she couldnt make it due to cancelled flights because of the Iceland volcanic eruption.

http://www.amnesty.no/om-amnesty/amnesty-der-du-bor/region-midt/lokale-nyheter/m%C3%B8tene-med-amina-janjua-onsdag-21april-er-a

So yea I do raise my voice against it.

I am for all of the above you have mentioned.

Not everything in the media is fake especially after it has been reported by multiple outlets.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

Hmm...check this:
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Nope.
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Allah-O-Akbar. Fiker nahin karo mere momin bhaiyo. Mujahideen-e-Islam inshaAllah iss kharafa ko iss ke anjaam takk pohanchanay se pehle damm nahin lein ge Iss saali kafir ki aulaad ki yeh jurrat!!!!
you have confused a lot of our members,,,,,joking or serious?
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
[h=1]Pakistani girl accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty[/h] Tensions rise between Muslim and Christian communities amid claims that 11-year-old desecrated text






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A Christian neighbourhood in Islamabad. Around 900 Christians living on the city's outskirts have been ordered to leave. Photograph: Muhammed Muheisen/AP


An 11-year-old Christian Pakistani girl could face the death penalty under the country's notorious blasphemy laws, after she was accused by her neighbours of deliberately burning sacred Islamic texts.

Rifta Masih was arrested on Thursday, after complaints against her prompted angry demonstrations. Asif Ali Zardari, the president, has ordered the interior ministry to investigate the case.

As communal tensions continued to rise, about 900 Christians living on the outskirts of Islamabad have been ordered to leave a neighbourhood where they have lived for almost two decades.

On Sunday, houses on the backstreets of Mehrabadi, an area 20 minutes' drive from western embassies and government ministries, were locked with padlocks, their occupants having fled to already overcrowded Christian slums in and around the capital.

One of the senior members of the dominant Muslim community told the Christians to remove all their belongings from their houses by 1 September. "I don't think anyone will dare go back after this," said one Christian, Arif Masih. "The area is not safe for us now."

A few brave souls have stayed behind, but shopkeepers have refused to serve their Christian neighbours or supply them with water. Locals say only about 10% of families in the area are Christian, renting cramped houses from Muslim landlords. They tend to do dirty, menial jobs such as sewer maintenance.

Relations between the communities had been simmering for months after complaints were made about the noise coming from three churches in the area during religious services. Two of the landlords who owned the buildings had already ordered an end to worship and some services were forcibly broken up.

But there was no indication that all the Christians would be forced out so suddenly until Rifta was accused of the provocative act of burning the sacred words of Islam.

It sparked immediate demonstrations by crowds estimated at between 600 and 1,000 people, some of whom blocked the nearby Kashmir highway, the major road running west out of the capital.

The police, initially unwilling to take action, eventually charged the girl with blasphemy and took her into custody. The rest of the community, including her parents, fled.

As with many other aspects of the incident, there is disagreement about exactly what was burned. Some say it was a small pocket book of Qur'anic verses. Others claim it was pages of the Qur'an. Either it was a relatively small quantity of ash carried in an earthenware dish, or it was around half a kilogram of refuse that filled a small plastic shopping bag.

Hammad Malik, a 23-year-old with a shaven head and bushy beard who is deemed a "scoundrel" by the Christian community, said he saw Rifta walking out of the tiny, single-room dwelling where she lived with her parents and sister at some time after 6pm. He said it was pure chance that he noticed her bundle.

"I looked at it but did not know exactly what it was but I could see it had words written in Arabic," he said.

He concedes that no one actually saw her burning anything as the offence allegedly happened inside the house, and she was caught while finding somewhere to throw away the remains. However, the local mullah claims there was a witness: another young girl who caught her in the act and then ran to the mosque to raise the alarm.

One thing the Muslim community does agree on is that claims in the local media, sourced to the police, that the girl has Down's syndrome are false.

"She is a completely normal girl," said Kamran Khan, cousin of the Masih family's landlord. As the largely male and grownup crowd gathered outside the house,
a girl who said she knew Rifta said she did behave oddly she talked to herself and walked in a peculiar way.

The other point of general agreement is that "the law should be followed". Unfortunately, the law in question is Pakistan's blasphemy law, which has a proven track record of ensnaring people on the flimsiest of evidence and being cynically used to intimidate communities or settle quarrels over money and property.

Even though no one has yet been executed for blasphemy in Pakistan, long prison terms are common one Christian couple was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.

There have also been cases of people killed by lynch mobs demanding instant punishment. Daring to criticise the law is incredibly risky and few do it.

In 2011, Salman Taseer, the former governor of Punjab province, was gunned down by his own bodyguard after he spoke out against the case of Aasia Bibi, another Christian woman accused of blasphemy.

The Christian community of Mehrabadi says the whole thing is a plot. They too have conflicting accounts of what happened.

In one version, according to priest Boota Masih, a Muslim neighbour asked the girl to throw out the ash into which the desecrated pages had been placed.

Either way, one hotly contested incident involving a very young girl looks set to change the complexion of the neighbourhood for ever.

"They have done this to provoke the Muslims, like they have with their noisy banging and singing from their churches," said a local mullah, who would not give his name. "We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back." [SERIOUSLY MAULVI SAHIB??!! YOUR LOUDSPEAKERS ARE ALL HALAL??!]
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Even the mard-e-momins of that basti cannot agree on the story completely!!!

This looks VERY bogus and points to it being a real conspiracy.

The timing of this incident when the local mullahs thought their loudspeakers were were not good enough by a few bells and gospel singing, and then this happens.

Typical usage and abuse strategy of our (British made) "blasphemy laws" that were made even more horrible by Zia bhai and his shagird Nawaz Sharif.
 

Karwa_Karela

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: 11 year old Pakistani girl (with Downs syndrome) accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty! (Ab deen ko 11 sala zehni mareeza larki sy bhe khatra lahak hay?)

I am for all of the above you have mentioned.

chalo gal hi muk gai phir, aywain ini lambi lambi messaging karwai

Not everything in the media is fake especially after it has been reported by multiple outlets.

this point is debatable, if u wana debate, i have three more free days, so i am all for it. :)
 

samy99

Minister (2k+ posts)
In "Jang" paper the news is that she picked up "Qaeda" from outside from garbage papers which had some arabic writtings and was using in the stove as burning papers ? whats wrong with it? It is hadith that if you see some "Quranic " papers ,either throw them in river or burn them. if she burn them because they were thrown outside why some one making a big fuss about it.These are the same religious extremists who were after "Qadianis" who had their printing press on Brandreth road in lahore so the owner of the press any time burn the quranic papers which were not useable ,the business opponents start protesting even though it was right thing to do instead throwing them in waste papers. I dont know when these people will know the reality and human rights. These people are not doing any service to this nation rather busy in malign it.Such a small girl what she have to do with the religion.Govt should take very severe action against those who are protesting.For God sake leave this nonsense and care about the monorities,dont harrass them-its not good for the nation. The "Ulemas" should think by using aggressive policies will leave them all alone in the world and even many muslims dont like their actions and in turn they turn against their own ulemas-this is a serious concern and then may be it will be time for ulemas to run?
 
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_ahmed

MPA (400+ posts)
[h=1]توہین مذہب کیس: 150 افراد کے خلاف مقدمہ[/h]
وفاقی دارالحکومت اسلام آباد میں پولیس کا کہنا ہے کہ توہین مذہب کے الزام میں گرفتار مسیحی بچی رمشاء کے خلاف کارروائی کے لیے پرتشدد احتجاج کرنے والے ڈیڑھ سو افراد کے خلاف مقدمہ درج کر لیا گیا ہے۔

اسلام آباد پولیس کے ترجمان محمد نعیم نے بی بی سی سے بات کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ ان پر سرکاری اور غیر سرکاری املاک کو نقصان پہنچانے،گاڑیوں کے شیشے توڑنے اور ٹائر جلا کر روڈ بلاک کرنے کے الزامات ہیں۔
پولیس کا کہنا ہے کہ ایف آئی آر میں پچیس افراد نامزد کیے گئے ہیں جبکہ دیگر ملزمان کو فی لحال نامعلوم قرار دیا گیا ہے۔
پولیس کے مطابق ’اس احتجاج میں پیش پیش‘ عامر نامی ایک شخص کے خلاف بھی مقدمہ درج کیا گیا ہے۔
اسلام آباد کے گاؤں میرا جعفر کے ایک رہائشی نے بی بی سی کو ٹیلیفون پر بتایا کہ عامر نامی یہ شخص مبینہ طور پر لاؤڈ سپیکر پر اعلان کر کے لوگوں کو اشتعال دلاتا رہا اور احتجاج کے لیے اکھٹا کرتا رہا۔




ان کا کہنا ہے کہ عامر نامی یہ شخص میرا جعفر میں ایک جنرل سٹور کا مالک ہے۔مقامی لوگوں کا یہ بھی کہنا ہے کہ ایک مقامی مسجد کے امام بھی لوگوں کو احتجاج کے لیے اکساتے رہے لیکن ان کے خلاف مقدمہ درج نہیں کیا گیا ہے۔یاد رہے کہ گزشتہ جمعرات کو سیکنڑوں افراد نے مسیحی بچی رمشاء کے خلاف کارروائی کے لیے کشمیر ہائی وے پر احتجاج کیا تھا اور مشتعل مظاہرین نے تین گھنٹے تک سڑک بند رکھی تھی۔اس پرتشدد احتجاج کے چند گھنٹے قبل میرا جعفر سے رمشاء نامی ایک مسیحی بچی پر یہ الزام لگایا گیا تھا کہ اس نے قرآنی قاعدے، قرآنی آیات اور نماز کی کتابوں کی بےحرمتی کی اور انہیں نذر آتش کیا۔ایک مقامی شخص نے بتایا کہ اس مبینہ واقعہ کے بعد جب مشتعل لوگ رمشاء کے گھر کے سامنے جمع ہوئے تو مسیحی بچی نے اپنے گھر کے اندر ایک مقامی معزز شخص کے سامنے اپنی مذہبی کتاب بائیبل پر ہاتھ رکھ کر قسم کھائی کہ انہوں نے ایسا جان بوجھ کر نہیں کیا۔

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2012/08/120821_protestors_arrested_sa.shtml
 

Safarmai

MPA (400+ posts)
Few months ago in a show they were showing a man who collect quran from canal/river in lahore, when there is no water.
I think its better to burn broken holy books or pages in proper way with respect. not to throw in river which becomes some other person problem.
 

Safarmai

MPA (400+ posts)
اللہ :subhanahu:اس بچی کی حفاظت فرمائیں اور اس خبر سے اپنے ناپاک عزائم پورے کرنے والوں پر اللہ کا کہر نازل ہو


After reading all comments i noticed these christians been asked to go away from there,.............so land mafia is now happy too.
 

Researcher

MPA (400+ posts)
It is so shameful act that we are accusing blasphemy on a 11 year (read again) old girl. May ALLAH protect her and her family, and let her know that all Muslims are not like this.

I remember in Gojra (a person was accused of Blasphemy and what we did was, just burned whole colony's houses, burned down innocent families who had no relation with the accused, in their houses).

This is NOT Islam, but barbarism. Whatever someone tries to tell now, but it remains a fact that Islam in South Asia was spread by Sufi's; who gave love to everyone -- irrespective of caste, color, social status.

Saying that, i am thankful to so many voices here, who are there to condemn such acts. Islam is a religion of peace and love for all mankind.
 

QADIANITRUTH

Senator (1k+ posts)
Allah-O-Akbar……. Fiker nahin karo mere momin bhaiyo…. Mujahideen-e-Islam inshaAllah iss kharafa ko iss ke anjaam takk pohanchanay se pehle damm nahin lein ge… Iss saali kafir ki aulaad ki yeh jurrat!!!!

You sound like a coward Indian agent hiding behind a fake ID.
You will NEVER succeed.
 
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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
http://dawn.com/2012/08/23/rimsha-accused-of-blasphemy-traumatised-activist/

Girl accused of blasphemy denied meeting with lawyer






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Pakistanis protesting against the arrest of Christians File Photo


ISLAMABAD: A lawyer for a young Pakistani Christian girl arrested on blasphemy charges in a poor suburb of Islamabad claimed Thursday he had been refused a meeting with her.



Police arrested the girl, Rimsha, who reportedly has Downs Syndrome, in a low-income neighbourhood of the capital last Thursday after she was accused of burning papers containing verses from the Quran, and remanded her for 14 days.


Rimsha, aged between 11 and 16, is being held in a jail in Islamabads twin city Rawalpindi, and her case has prompted concern from Western governments and fury from rights campaigners.


The lawyers are facing difficulties to see the accused girl. The jail authorities have told them to get permission from the top authorities, Shamaun Alfred Gill, a spokesman for All Pakistan Minorities Alliance (APMA), told AFP.


Her legal team said they had approached the higher authorities in Punjab province but could not get a go ahead for the meeting.


I myself contacted the inspector general (of prisons) by phone and he told me that he will call me back, but I am still waiting to speak to him, Tahir Naveed Chaudhry, one of Rimshas lawyers, told AFP.


He is not receiving my calls now. Legally, they cant stop a lawyer seeing his client in the jail but the authorities are refusing us a meeting. But Farooq Nazir, the inspector-general of Punjab prisons, told AFP there was no restriction on Rimsha meeting her lawyer or immediate family and insisted she was being cared for.


Earlier, an activist who said he visited Rimsha said that the girl was too frightened to speak in a prison where she is being held in solitary confinement for her safety.


Christian activist Xavier William said he visited Masih at a police station where she was first held, and then this week in prison.


She was frightened and traumatised, William told Reuters.


She was assaulted and in very bad shape. She had bruises on her face and on her hands, he added, referring to an attack by a mob in her village on the edge of Islamabad after she was accused of blasphemy.

Rimsha is being held in the same jail as Mumtaz Qadri, the bodyguard who last year gunned down Punjab governor Salman Taseer, who had declared Pakistans strict anti-blasphemy legislation a black law.


Chaudhry said that they have also filed an application with a court in Islamabad to set up a medical panel to determine Rimshas age.


We want the court to constitute a commission to judge the age of Rimsha, because, the church records show she is 11 years old only. While her age mentioned in the police report is 16, he said.


Christians flee girls village



Masihs arrest triggered an exodus of several hundred Christians from her poverty-stricken village after local mosques reported over their loudspeakers what the girl was alleged to have done. Emotions were running high there.


A neighbour named Tasleem said her daughter saw Masih throwing away trash that included the burned religious material.


If Christians burn our Quran, we will burn them, she told Reuters.


Other Muslims were more conciliatory.


We protected the rest of the Christians, said Masihs landlord Malik Amjad Mohammad. People here support them.


Christians, who make up four per cent of Pakistans population of 180 million, have been especially concerned about the blasphemy law, saying it offers them no protection.


Convictions hinge on witness testimony and are often linked to vendettas, they complain.


President Asif Ali Zardari has told officials to produce a report on the girls arrest, which has brought protests from Amnesty International, British-based Christian group Barnabas Fund, and others.


Masih is due to appear in court in the next 10 days. She could be formally charged with blasphemy.


Spotlight on blasphemy law



The case has put another spotlight on Pakistans anti-blasphemy law, which rights groups say dangerously discriminates against the countrys minority groups.


Under the law, anyone who speaks ill of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad commits a crime and faces the death penalty, but activists say vague terminology has led to its misuse.


Convictions are common, although the death sentence has never been carried out. Most convictions are thrown out on appeal, but mobs have killed many people accused of blasphemy.


Christians, who make up four per cent of Pakistans population of 180 million, have been especially concerned about the blasphemy law, saying it offers them no protection.


Convictions hinge on witness testimony and are often linked to vendettas, they complain.


In 2009, 40 houses and a church were set ablaze by a mob of 1,000 Muslims in the town of Gojra, in Punjab province. At least seven Christians were burned to death. The attacks were triggered by reports of the desecration of the Quran.


Two Christian brothers accused of writing a blasphemous letter against the Prophet Mohammad were gunned down outside a court in the eastern city of Faisalabad in July of 2010.
 

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