10 Surprising Facts About Inter-Services Intelligence

[profiler]

 

[kakamana]

The "collateral damage" term which they used is actual concern for guys like us e.g. to poop out sleeper cells they let PTM type mafia to flourish across kpk so they can identify and uproot their abbetors and facilitators across Pakistan.
Similarly letting those fanatics to cache weapons in lal masjid, let ttp getting strong in swat etc

 

[Reason]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

 

[Dilvaly]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

IsI will break India into pieces

 

[Reason]

IsI will break India into pieces

Bangladesh??? So far it has managed to break Pakistan into two pieces.

 

[profiler]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

Good idea, while we are at it,

Why not demand the audit of CIA on international forums (though we are not Americans but are direct affectees of it, to jog your memory name of Raymond Davis should be enough) which caused upheaval in all opposing countries no matter what the cost is dying children, trillion dollars of debt, etc.
Raw, Musad , MI6, etc all of their operations should be public? According to your logic.

 

[Reason]

Good idea, while we are at it,

Why not demand the audit of CIA on international forums (though we are not Americans but are direct affectees of it, to jog your memory name of Raymond Davis should be enough) which caused upheaval in all opposing countries no matter what the cost is dying children, trillion dollars of debt, etc.
Raw, Musad , MI6, etc all of their operations should be public? According to your logic.

CIA is audited as their budget is included in the national budget. Plus, CIA doesn't manipulate their own political system like ISI do. U.S did not have martial law since the country was formed. And no operations are not made public, but not without President's approval.

 

[kakamana]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

sach likna pasand ho tu pora likho,
* Agencies (Gen Gillani) created Nawaz shareef and put him in lap of Gen Zia
* Agencies along with Gen Hameed Gul created IJI and distributed tax payer money to break PPP Govt through changa-manga politics which benefitted ur masters Nawaz Sharif
* Nawaz Shareef took money from Osama which Agencies knows to topple govt of Benazair and in name of political chanda for which Election Commission can take foreign funding/terrorist funding case against PML N
* Agencies knows Showbaz is meeting with Gen Kiyani along with Mr. Been for manipulating 2013 elections

 

[profiler]

CIA is audited as their budget is included in the national budget. Plus, CIA doesn't manipulate their own political system like ISI do. U.S did not have martial law since the country was formed. And no operations are not made public, but not without President's approval.

I am not against accountability, but who would do this? Current NAB, Judiciary without compromising their effectiveness? Do you really think the security situation could have improved without their efforts? Yes, they were responsible for the mess in the first place they are trying to clean that mess up, so let them. Make our civilian institutions trustworthy no matter who intervene as our life depends on it, Army intervention is just an excuse used by our leaders to cover their own wrongdoings. Then talk about the audit of ISI. We can not do audit of the judiciary, media and other civilian institutions how you can ask for an audit of ISI which is under Army, Whose bosses, generals think themselves as unaccountable.

 

[Eyeaan]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

Please keep chanting your propaganda pieces forever - no problem.

ZA Bhutto created a Political Cell in ISI directly under PM and PMO - It worked for decades - GIK asked ISI to distribute funds from his banker associates under that law. What were the opinions of Bhutto and Khan Abdul Qayyum about prime role of ISI!! What about the members of his election cell. Who kept blaming military and intelligence for not checking (well-known) activities of Mukti bahni and AL! What was the opinion of courts regarding the role of intelligence.

To cut the story,
will you add names of bhutto, GIK and later political PMs ( those who created a political cell in ISI and used it for political purposes ) and even the courts ---- among those who destroyed democracy. Revise your talking points a bit please.

 

[patwari_slayer]

ISI meddling in politics destroyed our democracy
ISI beat terrorism in Pakistan after creating it.
ISI didn't know Osama was living in abottabad for years until American secretly came and embarrassed Pakistan
ISI was part of all 4 military coups despite the fact they were unconstitutional.
ISI helped get Raymond Davis out of Pakistan after he killed 3 Pakistani citizens.
.................

So I don't what is so special about this organization, when it has been a failure at all levels. We need a full audit of the ISI.

1. ISI did not meddle in politics. Last martial law was from Army Chief who disposed off ghaddar Nawaz because he ordered Army Chief plane to not be allowed to land in Pakistan.
ISI did not ask you to do money laundering. UK NCA recovered laundered money of Sharif family. UK NCA is ISI meddling in Pakistani politics? ?
2. ISI did not create terrorism. ISI trained Afghan Taliban to keep Communist savages from occupying Afghan doorstep and invading Pakistan like bloody surkhay.
All over the world USA and CIA takes credit of creating the Mujahideen. US newspaper called Osama Bin Laden like an American founding father.

Ronald Reagan met with Taliban leadership and gave them Stinger to defeat USSR invaders.

ISI defeated the India finded TTP wing, the terrorist faction that wants to commit terrorism in Pakistan. As yes Kalbhushan Yadav also admits it. So your point is moot.

3. ISI shared the location of Osama with CIA in hopes of a joint operation. CIA backstabbed and Obama went away with CIA only operation to win votes from his people for his re-elections.
This has been cleared up in UNGA US visit of PM Imran Khan and no body denied it.

So you have been proven a liar again.

4. If military coups are unconstitutional, then First American President would never have been A Military General George Washington.

ISI was not part of the coup since each time political leadership and public too requested for it and supported the military takeover.

Proven lying bitch once again are you? ?

5. The operatives killed were probably ISI agents following Raymond Davis.

Your political command ordered the military command to release Raymond Davis. Zardari and Nawaz were involved in this matter to provide Raymond with diplomatic immunity. This was because both had done NRO with Musharraf in presence of Conda Lisa Rice and had their transfer of power from Musharraf to themselves by lickinng American boots and booties.

This is why they handed Raymond back.


Unfortunately all of your bullshit on ISI is inaccurate, worldwide rejected with facts and explains a lot about your mental state

A failure of a human being who does not know Universities produce Excellence in Academics and Research and claims that they produce Tanks Jets and Ships all over the world...
a failure twat who thinks nobel prize is given in engineering and technology instead of sciences (physics)...

Is calling the organization like ISI a failure who is actualy responsible for stopping "lAal surkhay" from invading Pakistan and putting his unreasonable head on a spike and raping his mother

HHow REASONable of this cunt ??. I understand that youre a collosal failure in life.
But shut the fuck up if you do not have facts and just wanna rant because you didnt get mommy milk. ??

 

[patwari_slayer]

Please keep chanting your propaganda pieces forever - no problem.

ZA Bhutto created a Political Cell in ISI directly under PM and PMO - It worked for decades - GIK asked ISI to distribute funds from his banker associates under that law. What were the opinions of Bhutto and Khan Abdul Qayyum about prime role of ISI!! What about the members of his election cell. Who kept blaming military and intelligence for not checking (well-known) activities of Mukti bahni and AL! What was the opinion of courts regarding the role of intelligence.

To cut the story,
will you add names of bhutto, GIK and later political PMs ( those who created a political cell in ISI and used it for political purposes ) and even the courts ---- among those who destroyed democracy. Revise your talking points a bit please.

ISI in k@njar politicians ki command me reh k kaam kre tab bhi in k@njaro ki auladaein 10 20 saal baad order deny walay politician ki bjaye order follow krne wali organization per bhonkti hain


Suwwar ki auladein confirmed. ??

 

[patwari_slayer]

CIA is audited as their budget is included in the national budget. Plus, CIA doesn't manipulate their own political system like ISI do. U.S did not have martial law since the country was formed. And no operations are not made public, but not without President's approval.

Ok show audit report of CIA.

CCia Is the most notorious for their budget mishandling. There are literal confessions and hollywood movies of CIA funding themselves through illegal cocain and drugs smuggling channels from Afghanistan and south america.

Chutiya kaheen ka. ???

 

[patwari_slayer]

CIA is audited as their budget is included in the national budget. Plus, CIA doesn't manipulate their own political system like ISI do. U.S did not have martial law since the country was formed. And no operations are not made public, but not without President's approval.

Khoti k lid USA ka first president aik Gen tha Gen George Washington. He was president uncontested for two terms

And he owned slaves. ??

This is called martial law. Also please start becoming slaves of Milotary Generals aur wash their bodies literally because that is what Americans did right? Unki cotton fields me kaam kr bharway ???

 

[patwari_slayer]

I am not against accountability, but who would do this? Current NAB, Judiciary without compromising their effectiveness? Do you really think the security situation could have improved without their efforts? Yes, they were responsible for the mess in the first place they are trying to clean that mess up, so let them. Make our civilian institutions trustworthy no matter who intervene as our life depends on it, Army intervention is just an excuse used by our leaders to cover their own wrongdoings. Then talk about the audit of ISI. We can not do audit of the judiciary, media and other civilian institutions how you can ask for an audit of ISI which is under Army, Whose bosses, generals think themselves as unaccountable.

ISI gets budget from same Defense expense section in National Budget. Armed forces also get from the same Defence expense section.

It was 24 percent.

Bhosri k pehly to tera audit kro k tujhy 24 percent walay ka audit cchaheyay pehly tu bata 80 percent budget sabit kr haramkhor tu to kehta tha 80 percent khaa jatai army phir Ishaq Dar ny kyu kaha 76 percent Civilian khatay hain BUDGET WHY BICCH WHY ??

 

[Eyeaan]

2. ISI trained Afghan Taliban to keep Communist savages from occupying Afghan doorstep and invading Pakistan like bloody surkhay.

Please add the facts that ZA Bhutto had begun training of Afghans and funding of religious groups in Kabul University after overthrow of Zahir Shah by Daud Khan--- in 1973. A Special military unit and a group in PM house was created for this purpose. Why Naseer ullah Babar was close to Bhutto! PPP was foremost opponent of NAP (wali khan etc)

IT IS NOT for blaming bhutto for doing some wrong. His response was right -
Daud had revolted with an open slogan of pukhtunistan; His first speech ( like that of traki's first speech later in 78) promised for war with pak to liberate two provinces. Afghan trained and funded a Terrorist organization Pukhtun zalmey like mukti bahni; (Also an active militant group working in Pak was trained in USSR and in response China had one militant group in Afghanistan.) During Bhutto's years, Afghan led terrorist carried out 3000+ dhamaka and violence acts in NWFP,Punjab and sind, including bombing in Wapda house Lahore mall and bombings in Karachi for mass killing -
Such terrorism acts were to be responded, Thus Bhutto and especially Khan Qayyum asked military, intelligence for action inside afghan and prepare for war. Also NAP+Mullas had led rebellions in Bajor, chitral and Dir and other tribal areas using afghani agents. Also the story of Iraqi weapons provided to Baluchistan government to carry out terrorism in Iran was true. Much later in 75, Iraq and Iran made agreement for ending of Iraqi interference and arm supply in Baluchistan, and training in Afghanistan and in return Iran to do the same in Iraqi Kurd regions, This is an open agreement between two governments.
Before 77 elections, Daud had changed policy with the help of SA funds and negotiated to make a pact with Pakistan to end violence. Among three main election promises by Bhutto in 77, peace and end to violence with Afghanistan was the main point.

This is just to clarify - mujahid's training and the war was not a Zia's or US or western policy - pak response to USSR invasion was a very old openly stated policy. (Even Bhutto, while in jail, had supported Gen. Zia - read a small book "Foreign Policy: New Dimensions" published in the name of benazir bhutto in 78 but was to state Bhutto's policy regarding Afghan War for pak FO).
Don't wish to go far - but there is a long history of afghan-led terrorism and Pak response to it by helping similar-minded groups at least from the times of Liaqat Khan- if not much earlier if one includes British as well. So Neither ISI/army nor Pak nor US started terrorism in the region (afghan and USSR did and violence was their basic policy). Also ISI and Army fought first afghan war NOT for US or West; that was a war for pak interests - that was a stated and clear policy of Pakistan and of her politicians from the start. It was no accident that Benazir supported Taliban in 96r - that was a continuation of old Pak policy - maybe Taliban were bad but the other were truly terrorist and enemies of pak. However Musharraf's support of US reversed the old Pakistani policy with dire consequences.

 

[patwari_slayer]

Please add the facts that ZA Bhutto had begun training of Afghans and funding of religious groups in Kabul University after overthrow of Zahir Shah by Daud Khan--- in 1973. A Special military unit and a group in PM house was created for this purpose. Why Naseer ullah Babar was close to Bhutto! PPP was foremost opponent of NAP (wali khan etc)

IT IS NOT for blaming bhutto for doing some wrong. His response was right -
Daud had revolted with an open slogan of pukhtunistan; His first speech ( like that of trahki's first speech) promised for war with pak to liberate two provinces. Afghan trained and funded a Terrorist organization Pukhtun zalmey like mukti bahni; (Also an active militant group working in Pak was trained in USSR and in response China had one militant group in Afghanistan.) During Bhutto's years, Afghan led terrorist carried out 3000+ dhamaka and violence acts in NWFP,Punjab and sind, including bombing i Wapda house Lahore mall and bombing in Karachi for mass killing -
Such terrorism were to be responded, thus Bhutto and especially Khan Qayyum asked military, intelligence for action inside afghan and prepare for war. Also NAP+Mullas had led rebellions in Bajor, chitral and Dir and other areas using afghani agents. Also the story of Iraqi weapons provided Baluchistan government to carry out terrorism in Iran was true. Much later in 75, Iraq and Iran made agreement for ending of Iraqi interference and arm supply in Baluchistan and training in Afghanistan and in return Iran to do the same in Iraqi Kurd, this is an open agreement between two governments.
Before 77 elections, Daud had changed policy with the help of SA funds and negotiated to make a pact with Pakistan to end violence. Among three main election promises by Bhutto in 77, peace and end to violence with Afghanistan was the main point.

This is just to clarify - mujahid's training and the war was not by just to Zia's or US or west - pak response to USSR invasion was a very old openly stated policy (Even Bhutto, while in jail, had supported Gen. Zia - read a small book "Foreign Policy: New Dimensions" published in the name of benazir bhutto in 78 but was to state Bhutto's policy regarding War for pak FO).
Don't wish to go far - but there is long history of afghan-led terrorism and Pak response by helping similar-minded groups at least from the time of Liaqat Khan- if not much earlier if one includes British. So Neither ISI/army nor Pak nor US started terrorism in the region (afghan and USSR did and violence was their basic policy). Also ISI and Army fought first afghan war for US or west; that was a war for pak interests - that was a stated and clear policy of Pakistan and her politicians from the beginning. It was no accident that Benazir supported Taliban in 96r - that was a continuation of old Pak policy - maybe Taliban were bad but the other were truly terrorist and enemies of pak. However Musharraf's support of US reversed the old Pakistani policy with dire consequences.

The Afghan Taliban and RAW funded TTP factions are two different things

WWhat is good for Pakistan and does not attack us is our ally. What attacks us and creates destability in Pakistan is our enemy

TThis is the simplest agenda on which any security agency operates. But some b@stards think politicians can go against Pakistan and remain immune to any criticism or action by law enforcement bodies. Screw these bigots who twaits history for the sake of few likes among their own.

 

[Eyeaan]

CIA is audited as their budget is included in the national budget. Plus, CIA doesn't manipulate their own political system like ISI do. U.S did not have martial law since the country was formed. And no operations are not made public, but not without President's approval.

CIA audit issue has been replied above.
About CIA not manipulating political system -- you seem even more unaware or ill-informed. Please go and read at least something.

It is right CIA is required NOT to spy on a US citizen (though history, and documents of CIA in this regard tell a different story.) Often, CIA, rather than directly spying through department, it works through secret projects/groups with a separate legal identity to circumvents this restriction and by funneling funds to these projects. Further CIA has physical presence in FBI and state department to evade this law - especially for spying upon US officials. However main procedure for surveillance of US citizen is its liaison with UK/Canada/Australian spy agencies and their data sharing and common excess, Also often thy have has common agents on the ground and joint funding. there is no restriction upon CIA for receiving data about US citizens. Some legal restriction put on CIA on seventies were more for public consumption and politics but in practice they have little effect.

As I understand from your mode of Reason - you would deny even what is obvious and in sight.
So I ask one simple question - RAW, Indian spy agency has mandate of propaganda (that is political interference inside Pakistan) - Propaganda cell is their main function. However ISI doesn't have such mandate for India - and you seldom see ISI interfering in internal politics of Indian other than for spying/data collection purpose - Perhaps ISI interfere in Kashmir's politics but for ISI/Pak Kashmir is Not a part of india --
So, what is the reason and rationale for this anomaly between two spy agencies? Therein lie many other answers as well.

 

[Dilvaly]

Bangladesh??? So far it has managed to break Pakistan into two pieces.

Get ready for surprise from Pakistan in coming days and you will forgot everything