atensari
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نبی کو جو حکمت دی گئی بنی نہیں وہی حکمت اپنے اصحاب کو سکھائیں
وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ
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Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Iss ayat may tu Allah insanoo key baat kar raha hay
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
تم اتنے بڑے کب ہو گئے کتاب اور حکمت رسول کے بغیر ہی سیکھ لیتےہو
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
کچھ منکر انسان ہتے ہیں ہم خود عقلمند ہیں. خود ہی سیکھ لیتے ہیں
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Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Iss may munkar kahan say aa gaay?
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Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Allah nay jo insan ko aqal dee hay agar tum ussay istimal karlo tu shayad aysay lahyani sawal na kar tay.
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Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Read this short article, it might (which I doubt it) change your perspective about the Quran and Hikma.
The proponents of Hadith are no different. They now come back and site the following Ayah to suggest that Allah revealed at least two different revelations to the Prophet Muhammad, one being the Book <al-Kitaab>, and the other being the Wisdom <al-Hikma>:
“…For Allah has sent down <anzala> to you the Book and the Wisdom and taught you what you knew not…” (4:113)
We will see that just like al-Dhikr (The Reminder), al-Hikma (The Wisdom) is also an attribute of the Qur’an. The Qur’an is not just a Book of laws and regulations. It also contains the Wisdom behind those laws and regulations. Thus when Allah says “Book and Wisdom”, He is emphasizing that it is a “written record” that contains “the wisdom” behind the written statements.
We will now look at the Qur’an to establish the meaning of “Al-Hikma”. As we have established before that the delivery or “Balagha” of the Messenger is the Qur’an, we start with the Ayah that relates the Balagha to the Hikma:
“There has already come to them recitals wherein there is (enough) to check; delivery of Wisdom <Hikmatun Balighatun> - but the preaching of warners profits them not.” (54:4-5)
Here the delivery <Balagha> is that of Hikma. As we have seen above that the delivery is from the Book of Allah. Therefore, this Ayah establishes that Hikma is from the Book and not outside.
Then in the following Ayah, Allah establishes that The Qur’an is the Hikma:
“These are of the Wisdom <al-Hikmati>, which your Lord has revealed to you. Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected” (17:39).
This Ayah clearly establishes that part of the Hikma revealed to the Messenger is that he “Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected”, which is part of the Qur’an.
Then,
“This is what We rehearse <natluhu> to you of the Ayaat and the Reminder of Wisdom <al-Dhikr al-Hakeem>” (3:58)
Note here that Allah ties Wisdom to the Dhikr, which we have already established to be the Qur’an. It is also important to note that the “Reminder of Wisdom” is to be recited <Natluhu>. The only thing that the Muslims recite is the Qur’an. No one ever recites Hadith. Thus the Hikma is just another attribute of the Qur’an.
Also interesting to note is that the teaching of the Messenger of the Book and the Wisdom is always tied to him reciting the Ayaat of the Qur’an; see for example:
“Allah did confer a great favor on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, reciting <Yatlu> to them the Ayaat of Allah, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Wisdom, while before that they were in manifest error” (3:164)
Allah further says that He ONLY instructs us to RECITE <Yutla> His Book and NOTHING ELSE:
“And is it NOT ENOUGH for them that We have sent down <Anzalna> to you the Book, which is Recited <Yutla> to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and Reminder <Dhikr> to those who believe” (29:51)
Allah leaves no doubt that it is the Book that He wants us to Recite. Again notice that everything outside of the Book is excluded by this Ayah. Thus if Hikma or Dhikr were “other revelations” outside of the Book then this Ayah excludes them.
Note here again in 29:51 that what is sent down <Anzalna> is of the Book only (and that is enough), which further confirms that Hikma is included in the Book.
We now look at other evidence that al-Hikma is something that is to be recited. We see that Allah commanded the wives of the Messenger to recite al-Hikmah:
Wazakurna ma_ yutla_ fi buyu_tikun na min a_ya_til la_hi wal hikmah inal la_ha ka_na latifan khabira
"And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom <al-Hikma>. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware." (33:34)
This verse, along with the above evidence leaves no doubt that Hikmah was to be recited, and that it is just another attribute of the Qur’an. However, some people say that “Yutla” does not necessarily mean “to recite” but could also mean “to read from memory”. They insist that in this Ayah, the Hadith of the Prophet are included and his wives are instructed to read the verses of the Qur’an as well as the Hadith of the Prophet. This claim is not only baseless but quite funny. First of all, the Qur’an uses the words “Tilawa”, “yatlu”, “Tatlu”, etc. explicitly for RECITATION of the VERSES of the Qur’an. In addition, the reading of the Hadith for the wives would create a very comical situation. It would be interesting for the wives of the Prophet to be reciting that “The Messenger stood up by a wall and urinated”, that “The Messenger had sex with 9 women in one night”, and that “Messenger poked out the eyes of some people and cut their hands and feet and put them up on the wall to die”, and that “Messenger told us not to write the Hadith but we are writing it anyway” (please see these Hadith in the Appendix). I hope the proponents of Hadith see the ridiculousness of their concocted “explanation”.
Allah clearly explains to us that Wisdom is an attribute of the Qur’an:
“Alif Laam Ra. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom <Kitaab al-Hakeem>” (10:1)
“Alif Lam Mim. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom” (31:1-2)
“Ta Sin. By the Qur’an full of Wisdom” (36:1-2)
“We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, so that you may use your Aqal. And verily it is in the Mother of The Book, in Our Presence, High, Full of Wisdom” (43:3-4)
These above Ayaat make it evident that Wisdom is an attribute of the Qur’an. Thus when the Qur’an is revealed to the Prophet, its Hikma is also revealed to him by default.
However, some people still insist WITHOUT PROOF that Hikma is a separate revelation from the Qur’an. Allah disposes of off such claims when He tells us:
“Ha Mim. And the Book of Clarity <Kitaab al-Mubeen>. We sent it down during a blessed night: for We wish to warn. In that is made distinct EVERY affair of WISDOM” (44:1-4)
Here Allah ties the descending of the Book with all wisdom.
There is abundant evidence that Hikma is an attribute of the Qur’an, and is to be Recited. Qur’an is not just a “Kitaab” or “Book” of Legal rulings. It also contains the Wisdom behind those rulings and laws. Thus “The Book and the Wisdom” means the laws and the wisdom behind those laws. This is the Miracle of Allah’s Revelations – they contain His laws as well as the Wisdom behind those laws.
“But their hearts are in confused ignorance of this, and there are, besides that, deeds of theirs, which they will (continue) to do – until, when We seize in Punishment those of them who received the good things of this world, behold they will groan in supplication. It will be said: ‘groan not in supplication this day, for you shall certainly not be helped by Us. My Ayaat used to be Recited <Tutla> to you, but you used to turn back on your heels in arrogance talking nonsense about it, like one telling fables by night. Do they not ponder of over the Word, or has anything come to them that did not come to their fathers of old?” (23:63-68)
“But there are, among humans, who purchase idle Hadith, without knowledge, to mislead from the path of Allah and throw ridicule: for such there will be a humiliating penalty. When Our Ayaat are Recited <Tutla> to such a one, he turns away in arrogance, as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in both his ears: announce to him a grievous penalty” (31:6-7)
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
سر میں پہلے ہی اقرار کر چکا ہوں کے کم عقل عربوں کو کتاب و حکمت سیکھنے کے لئے رسول کی ضرورت تھی
آپ بھی مان لیں، عجمیوں کو قرآن و حکمت سیکھنے کے لئے رسول کے علم کی ضرورت نہیں ہے
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Quran seekhnay kay liyay siraf Quran he chaiyay koi ghair Allah key kutub nahi
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
عجمیوں کے ایک طبقے کا یہی گمان ہے۔ عربوں کے لئے اللہ نے رسول معبوث فرمایا تھا
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Kiya Quran parh kar seekha hay ya siraf Dr Israr ko soun kar he andha aytaqaad kar liya hay?
Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
This is a fallacy and false propaganda spread by religious patwaris and Quran deniers that. Believing in the Quran alone is some kind new and a recent movement started by occupying forces to divide people akin to Ghulam Ahmad Qaidiani in a feeble attempt to save their persian mullah religion.
People who only followed the the Quran have been around since day one. There are even their own hadiths saying this. From Prophet Mohammed stopping the people from writing hadith to Umar Ibn Khatab whipping Abu Huraira for narrating too much hadith and ordered him to stop and if he didn't he would deport him back to Yemen. Umar Ibn Khatab is also known to have ordered everyone to stop writing hadith and burned existing collections. He also told one of his governors
"You will be coming to the people of a town for whom the buzzing of the Qur'an is as the buzzing of bees. Therefore, do not distract them with the Hadiths, and thus engage them. Bare the Qur'an and spare the Hadith from God's messenger!".
There is a letter from the 5th ummayad Khalifa Abd-al Malik Ibn Marwan from the first generation of born Muslims, he writes in his letter about the changing beliefs of the people of Kufa
"They abandoned the judgement of their Lord and took hadiths for their religion; and they claim that they have obtained knowledge other than from the Koran . . . They believed in a book which was not from God, written by the hands of men; they then attributed it to the Messenger of God."
It was actually prohibited to write hadith until the 8th Khalifa Umar Ibn Abd Al Aziz where he allowed it again.
There was a group called the Ahl-e-Kalam During Imam Shafi's time who said the prophetic example of Muhammad "is found in following the Quran alone", rather than Hadith. The majority of Hadith, according to them, was mere guesswork, conjecture, and bidah while the book of God was complete and perfect, and did not require the Hadith to supplement or complement it."
Prominent scholar and theologian from the 8th century Dirar Ibn Amar Al Ghatafani wrote a book called. The Contradiction Within Hadith. But by that time religious patwarism had been set in and he was beaten up and lived out the rest of his life in hiding. And that is how religious patwaris forced their Persian written religion down everyone's throats and that low level of tolerance can even be seen today.
So the Prophet and the Khulafa Rashidun also stopped hadith thats why you will not see any hadith collections from their time. And this fake propaganda by the religious patwaris that this is some kind of new deviant movement planted by the enemies is nothing but lies
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If you talk about it long enough, you'll hear things like, "Yes, the Quran is complete, but it doesn't have everything, and Yes, the Quran is complete, but we can't understand it without Ahadith books."
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Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
WTF! I just saw this. Duniya kahan se kahan pounch gai hai aur humaray abhi tak bund saaf kerne ke concept clear nahi howay!Kiya tum iss moulvi ko follow kartay ho?
And what book is he refferring to Fatawa Hindiya! I gotta look it up and which fool had so much free time on his hand e something like that
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Afsoos tu yeah hay kay hamaray jahil loog inko bhi baray shouq say suntay hain aur bohat say tu is per amal bhi karatay honn gaay.WTF! I just saw this. Duniya kahan se kahan pounch gai hai aur humaray abhi tak bund saaf kerne ke concept clear nahi howay!
Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
This is exactly what I keep lamenting on too. Islam has been reduced to just a set of dogmatic rituals and practices. Sub ke bus yehi tension hai ke dhardhi kitni lambi honi chaiye, shalwar kitni choti chaiye, miswak per shaitan kaisa nahi bhaitay, mootar kaisay kerna hai, bund kaisay saaf kerni hai.
Kyun ke in kambakht moulviyon ne Islam ko bus inni cheezon tak mehdood ker diya hai
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Jahil moulvioon nay he tu inko jakar kar rakha hua hay aur yeah aqal kay andhay ankh bund kar kay inko follow kartay ja rahay hain...
Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
Programming. And lets face it, we were programmed too.
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If the programming fails and the manual (The Quran) instructs you on how to re-program it, but instead of accessing the original handbook (The Quran), we rely on man-made manuals, which ultimately damage the entire system.
