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[Username]

Now, it seems that you have exposed yourself by saying "Right and Wrong do not depend on the opinion of Prophet SAW". Are you a non-Muslim? because a Muslim can never say that right and wrong do not depend on the opinion of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Allah says in Qur'an:

(Qur'an 33:36) وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ ۗ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا مُّبِينًا
It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
اور کسی مومن مرد اور مومن عورت کو لائق نہیں کہ جب الله اور اس کا رسول کسی کام کا حکم دے تو انہیں اپنے کام میں اختیار باقی رہے اور جس نے الله اور اس کے رسول کی نافرمانی کی تو وہ صریح گمراہ ہوا



Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf: I got an agreement written between me and Umaiya bin Khalaf that Umaiya would look after my property (or family) in Mecca and I would look after his in Medina. When I mentioned the word 'Ar-Rahman' in the documents, Umaiya said, "I do not know 'Ar-Rahman.' Write down to me your name, (with which you called yourself) in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance." So, I wrote my name ' 'Abdu 'Amr'. On the day (of the battle) of Badr, when all the people went to sleep, I went up the hill to protect him. Bilal(1) saw him (i.e. Umaiya) and went to a gathering of Ansar and said, "(Here is) Umaiya bin Khalaf! Woe to me if he escapes!" So, a group of Ansar went out with Bilal to follow us ('Abdur-Rahman and Umaiya). Being afraid that they would catch us, I left Umaiya's son for them to keep them busy but the Ansar killed the son and insisted on following us. Umaiya was a fat man, and when they approached us, I told him to kneel down, and he knelt, and I laid myself on him to protect him, but the Ansar killed him by passing their swords underneath me, and one of them injured my foot with his sword. (The sub narrator said, " 'Abdur-Rahman used to show us the trace of the wound on the back of his foot.") (Sahih Bukhari; Book #38, Hadith #498)

1. It is very clear from above hadeeth that as soon as Bilal (RA) saw Umaiya bin Khalaf he reacted by deciding to kill Umaiya bin Khalaf.

2. It may be an abrupt decision probably initially not aware of the full circumstances e.g., whether Umaiya bin Khalaf was prisoner or not

3. Above Hadeeth clearly mentions that it was NOT Bilal (RA) who killed Umaiya bin Khalaf but "a group of Ansar"

4. Probably, by the time Bilal (RA) realize the situation it was all over.

5. Now, assuming Bilal (RA) intentionally made Ansar to kill Umaiya bin Khalaf, he (RA) was Sahabi-e-Rasool pbuh but not infallible. He made a mistake. This type of mistake happens during war.



It is narrated on the authority of Usama b. Zaid that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat of Juhaina in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: There is no god but Allah, I attacked him with a spear. It once occurred to me and I talked about it to the Apostle (may peace be upon him). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Did he profess" There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him? I said: Messenger of Allah, he made a profession of it out of the fear of the weapon. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Did you tear his heart in order to find out whether it had professed or not? And he went on repeating it to me till I wished I had embraced Islam that day. Sa'd said: By Allah, I would never kill any Muslim so long as a person with a heavy belly, i. e., Usama, would not kill. Upon this a person remarked: Did Allah not say this: And fight them until there is no more mischief and religion is wholly for Allah? Sa'd said: We fought so that there should be no mischief, but you and your companions wish to fight so that there should be mischief. (Sahih Muslim; Book #001, Hadith #0176)

Above Hadeeth shows that Prophet Muhammad pbuh were not happy when a Sahabi (RA) killed a person although the person professed "There is no God but Allah".

Now, in the case of Bilal (RA) we do not find any authentic narration showing whether Prophet Muhammad pbuh were happy or not with the incident of Umayyah ibne Khalaf. In such case we can not assume that Prophet Muhammad pbuh approved the killing of Umaiya bin Khalaf.

Allah knows best

When Islam makes the opinion of Prophet SAW and ayah of Quran ABSOLUTE and unquestionable then it actually puts a ban on THINKING and stops from developing perspectives and opinions contradictory to Quran and the word of Prophet SAW.

Those who claim that Islam encourages questioning, observation, and discourse, they just make a fool out of themselves.

Quran and Prophet SAW are definitive. This one belief destroys the whole discourse and debate.
There's no need to discuss anything which you won't believe even if proved right.

As far as I'm concerned I don't think Quran or Prophet SAW are definitive and ABSOLUTE.

My ethics and morals stem from Humanity and not one or more religions.

Yet Sunni Muslim is my identity. That's how World recognises me.

I'll keep question directives of Islam which don't fit in my framework of understanding, which contradict my morals and ethics, and which I think are unfair and discriminatory.
I have no ulterior motives or I'll intentions in mind, while I do so. And if God keeps me in his bad books for voicing what I deem Right, so be it.

 

[Khair Andesh]

محترم یوزر نیم ، آپ کافی ترقی کر رہے ہو۔
دین و مذہب تو پہلے بھی نشانہ بنتا ہی رہتا تھا، مگر دوسرے لبرلروں کی طرح بندوق مولوی کے کندھے پر رکھ کر چلائی جاتی تھی۔
اب آپ نے براہ راست قومی ہیروز، اور مقدس ہستیوں ، اور شعائر اسلام کو نشانہ بنانہ شروع کر دیا ہے۔ بلکہ شاید پچھلا بین بھی آپ کا کسی ایسے ہی جملے پر تھا۔
لہذا اپ سے گزارش ہے کہ یا تو پچھلی والی روش پر واپس آ جائیں، (مولویوں کا سینہ بہت کشادہ ہے، آپ سمیت سب کی تنقید برداشت کرتے رہے ہیں،)یا دوسری صورت میں خاموش رہیں، اگر کسی مقدس ہستی کے بارے میں آپ کے خیالات مسلمانوں سے مختلف ہیں، تو کوئی آپ کو اپنے خیالات بدلنے پر مجبور نہیں کر رہا(صرف دعا ہی کر سکتے ہیں)، مگر یہ "سلمان رشدی" بننے کی کوشش ترک کر دیں۔

 

[Pakistani1947]

When Islam makes the opinion of Prophet SAW and ayah of Quran ABSOLUTE and unquestionable then it actually puts a ban on THINKING and stops from developing perspectives and opinions contradictory to Quran and the word of Prophet SAW.

(Qur'an 53:2) مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ

Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.

تمہارا رفیق نہ گمراہ ہوا ہے اورنہ بہکا ہے
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(Qur'an 53:3) وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.

اور نہ وہ اپنی خواہش سے کچھ کہتا ہے
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(Qur'an 53:4) إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:

یہ تو وحی ہے جو اس پر آتی ہے
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Those who claim that Islam encourages questioning, observation, and discourse, they just make a fool out of themselves.

Quran and Prophet SAW are definitive. This one belief destroys the whole discourse and debate.
There's no need to discuss anything which you won't believe even if proved right.

(Qur'an 16:43) وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message.

اور ہم نے تجھ سے پہلے بھی تو انسان ہی بھیجے تھے جن کی طرف ہم وحی بھیجا کرتے تھے سو اگر تمہیں معلوم نہیں تو اہلِ علم سے پوچھ لو
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Quran and Prophet SAW are definitive. This one belief destroys the whole discourse and debate.
There's no need to discuss anything which you won't believe even if proved right.

As far as I'm concerned I don't think Quran or Prophet SAW are definitive and ABSOLUTE.

My ethics and morals stem from Humanity and not one or more religions.

Yet Sunni Muslim is my identity. That's how World recognises me.

I'll keep question directives of Islam which don't fit in my framework of understanding, which contradict my morals and ethics, and which I think are unfair and discriminatory.
I have no ulterior motives or I'll intentions in mind, while I do so. And if God keeps me in his bad books for voicing what I deem Right, so be it.

(Qur'an 4:115) وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ ۖ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا
If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!

اور جو کوئی رسول کی مخالفت کرے بعد اس کے کہ اس پر سیدھی راہ کھل چکی ہو اور سب مسلمانوں کے راستہ کے خلاف چلے تو ہم اسے اسی طرف چلائیں گے جدھر وہ خود پھر گیا ہے اور اسے دوزح میں ڈال دینگے اور وہ بہت برا ٹھکانا ہے
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[Username]

(Qur'an 53:2) مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ

Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.

تمہارا رفیق نہ گمراہ ہوا ہے اورنہ بہکا ہے
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(Qur'an 53:3) وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.

اور نہ وہ اپنی خواہش سے کچھ کہتا ہے
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(Qur'an 53:4) إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:

یہ تو وحی ہے جو اس پر آتی ہے
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(Qur'an 16:43) وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message.

اور ہم نے تجھ سے پہلے بھی تو انسان ہی بھیجے تھے جن کی طرف ہم وحی بھیجا کرتے تھے سو اگر تمہیں معلوم نہیں تو اہلِ علم سے پوچھ لو
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(Qur'an 4:115) وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ ۖ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا
If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!

اور جو کوئی رسول کی مخالفت کرے بعد اس کے کہ اس پر سیدھی راہ کھل چکی ہو اور سب مسلمانوں کے راستہ کے خلاف چلے تو ہم اسے اسی طرف چلائیں گے جدھر وہ خود پھر گیا ہے اور اسے دوزح میں ڈال دینگے اور وہ بہت برا ٹھکانا ہے
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Lol

Okay bro

 

[jahanzaibi]

It means you know nothing about hadith, In a condition which is against the sharia prophet cannot be keep quite, if he keep quiets it means it is permissible.

Second at that time Muhammad PBUH was alive and this happen in there time and he didnt response to this event which means that the Bilal ra did the right thing.

Right and Wrong do not depend on the opinion of Prophet SAW. Right and Wrong have their own parameters and criteria.

 

[Username]

It means you know nothing about hadith, In a condition which is against the sharia prophet cannot be keep quite, if he keep quiets it means it is permissible.

Yeah I know that "law".

 

[allahkebande]

When Islam makes the opinion of Prophet SAW and ayah of Quran ABSOLUTE and unquestionable then it actually puts a ban on THINKING and stops from developing perspectives and opinions contradictory to Quran and the word of Prophet SAW.

Those who claim that Islam encourages questioning, observation, and discourse, they just make a fool out of themselves.

Quran and Prophet SAW are definitive. This one belief destroys the whole discourse and debate.
There's no need to discuss anything which you won't believe even if proved right.

As far as I'm concerned I don't think Quran or Prophet SAW are definitive and ABSOLUTE.

My ethics and morals stem from Humanity and not one or more religions.

Yet Sunni Muslim is my identity. That's how World recognises me.

I'll keep question directives of Islam which don't fit in my framework of understanding, which contradict my morals and ethics, and which I think are unfair and discriminatory.
I have no ulterior motives or I'll intentions in mind, while I do so. And if God keeps me in his bad books for voicing what I deem Right, so be it.

بحث و تنقید پر پابندی کس نے لگائی ہے بھائی مگر جب بات سائنس کی ہوگی تو لوگ نیوٹن، آئنسٹائن ، ڈالٹن، اور کیوری کے نظریات ہی کی تو بات کریں گے ۔ تو جب آپ مذہب پر بات کرو گے تو لوگ آسمانی کتب ہی سے حوالے دیں گے نا؟