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[Noworriesbehappy]

NO facts, quoting something our of context... read the full text of Quran and then come back and talk.
Quran was revealed in 23 years, so each verse was to address a particular situation or incident... if you dont join the dots, you will not clear message.
secondly, the marriages of the Prophet at the last stage of his life are not a symbol of lust but all have important significance either a political move or to set an example.
e.g Marriage to Safia (a prisoner of war) , brought most of the jewish tribe into fold of islam... marriage to Zenaib cleared the old tradition that an adopted son is a real son.

lets talk about marriage of sofia. her husband was killed just after battle of khabar by Muslims, and she was married to prophet after his death, there is no way, a woman would willingly marry a person, who is responsible for her husband death. Does your mind accept this?? She must have been forced into it..

 

[Wake up Pak]

lets talk about marriage of sofia. her husband was killed just after battle of khabar by Muslims, and she was married to prophet after his death, there is no way, a woman would willingly marry a person, who is responsible for her husband death. Does your mind accept this?? She must have been forced into it..

Let me ask you a question: Where did you find out about this story?

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

Let me ask you a question: Where did you find out about this story?

sahih al bukhARI bOOK 64, hadith 251 & 252

 

[Wake up Pak]

sahih al bukhARI bOOK 64, hadith 251 & 252

That is the problem, as these ahadith framers have destroyed the pristine message of the Quran.

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

But if you think logically, there are only two possibilities
1- from all the religion of the world, only, at most, one of them is right/correct, it can't be that, at the same time Islam & hindu or Islam and Christianity, both are correct. What is guarantee that the one we follow is correct/right.
2- second possibility is, none of them is correct/ right. It's human curiosity that has come up with these ideas to make some sense of world around.

In reality, This universe is far more complex to be explained by God / heaven/ hell theory..

 

[Wake up Pak]

But if you think logically, there are only two possibilities
1- from all the religion of the world, only, at most, one of them is right/correct, it can't be that, at the same time Islam & hindu or Islam and Christianity, both are correct. What is guarantee that the one we follow is correct/right.
2- second possibility is, none of them is correct/ right. It's human curiosity that has come up with these ideas to make some sense of world around.

In reality, This universe is far more complex to be explained by God / heaven/ hell theory..

 

[Respect]

The whole religion thing (any religion) is a load of bullshit. Just because your parents believe (an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially without evidence.) you have to accept it without question. Be it Hinduism or Islam, when you use logic and common sense it fails.
Like
1- For Hindus, they don't eat egg because it comes from the back of a chicken but it's okay to drink cow urine.
2-For Muslims can have only 4 wives at the same time, but the same ruling does not apply to his Prophet. (Do as I say, not as I do).
3-After death all the martyrs will get 40 virgins but the question is what will happen to these 40 women, they will get only one man? (There will be a long wait for their turn to be sexually satisfied.

The list goes on, religion is a mental illness that prevents a person from using reason and logic

2. Muslims can have 4 wives as long as you do justice. Which is very hard. How many Muslim's do you see more than lne wife?.

2. Prophet pbuh had only one wife until the age of 40. After that a lot of his marriages were based politically.

3. Man desires women, in heaven u get more than one so be it. In heaven you will able to satisfy yourself and all of them.

 

[Respect]

But if you think logically, there are only two possibilities
1- from all the religion of the world, only, at most, one of them is right/correct, it can't be that, at the same time Islam & hindu or Islam and Christianity, both are correct. What is guarantee that the one we follow is correct/right.
2- second possibility is, none of them is correct/ right. It's human curiosity that has come up with these ideas to make some sense of world around.

In reality, This universe is far more complex to be explained by God / heaven/ hell theory..

1. Yes only one can be correct. However in Islam we muslims believe that Christians were the truth, and so were the Jew's but there books got tampered with. The glorious Quran has been protected by Allah himself.

2. Second possibility is non is correct. Than what is correct. That we all are by chance and came from nothing. There no supreme being?

3. We know the universe is more complex what does that mean there is no God?

You have two choices either there is a creator of the universe and everything in it or there isn't. If there isn't then the only explanation we have is that we came by chance everything in this universe including us came by chance. That chance came from nothing. Nothing didn't know anything but for some damn reason created a big bang.

 

[siasat.us]

The whole religion thing (any religion) is loads of loads of bollocks. Just becauase your parents belief(an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.) in some religion, you have to accept without asking any question. weather is hindu or islam, when you apply logic and commonsense, it fails.
e.g.
1-For Hindus, they dont eat egg because it comes from chicken backside but its ok to drink cows piss.
2-For muslims, you can only have 4 wifes at the same time, but same rule does not apply to its prophet. (Jusat do as i say, don't do as i do).
3-After death, all shaheed will get 40 virgins but the question is, what about these 40 womens, they would get only one man. (it will be long waiting time for them to get their turn to be satisfied sexually.

the list goes on,, religion is mental sickness which stops a person from using mind and logic.

So desperate to spit venom against islam but to look fair and neutral had to involve Hinduism as well

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

So desperate to spit venom against islam but to look fair and neutral had to involve Hinduism as well

Very first sentence has "Any religion",
Even the last part is a general statement about any religion.
2 example that I gave about Islam is because majority of user are Muslim on siasat.pk.

My whole point is following a religion/way of life, that you didn't get to make informed decision about, not even doubting for a second that you could be wrong, is mind boggling

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

1. Yes only one can be correct. However in Islam we muslims believe that Christians were the truth, and so were the Jew's but there books got tampered with. The glorious Quran has been protected by Allah himself.

2. Second possibility is non is correct. Than what is correct. That we all are by chance and came from nothing. There no supreme being?

3. We know the universe is more complex what does that mean there is no God?

You have two choices either there is a creator of the universe and everything in it or there isn't. If there isn't then the only explanation we have is that we came by chance everything in this universe including us came by chance. That chance came from nothing. Nothing didn't know anything but for some damn reason created a big bang.

Thanks for healthy discussion, which is unfortunately rate on sissat.pk, without any abusive language.

Regarding point 1, what you said is Islam's view about Christianity/ judism, it's not their point of view.

Point 3, does not justify existence of GOD either.

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

2. Muslims can have 4 wives as long as you do justice. Which is very hard. How many Muslim's do you see more than lne wife?.

2. Prophet pbuh had only one wife until the age of 40. After that a lot of his marriages were based politically.

3. Man desires women, in heaven u get more than one so be it. In heaven you will able to satisfy yourself and all of them.

Thanks for reply, I do believe that a positive discussion ( without getting person and abusive) is healthy and essential for a healthy community.

On point 2, it might not be common in Pakistan but my understanding is it's common in Arab countries. But it's about rules/principles that a religion demands from it's follower to obey. It's about having more than 4 women in your nikah at the same time, which I believe prophet had more than 4 during some part of his life.You would have hard time convincing anybody to join a religion when it's prophet actions are different to it's teaching.

Regarding number 3, (on a lighter note) my friend you have a lot to learn ;) . Women desire for men is same if not more, for ref hazrat Yousuf and zulaikh story in quran

 

[siasat.us]

Very first sentence has "Any religion",
Even the last part is a general statement about any religion.
2 example that I gave about Islam is because majority of user are Muslim on siasat.pk.

My whole point is following a religion/way of life, that you didn't get to make informed decision about, not even doubting for a second that you could be wrong, is mind boggling

when i die and find out there is no God, time wasted praying , no problem but when you die and find out there is God, you are f*cked up big time.

 

[Respect]

Thanks for reply, I do believe that a positive discussion ( without getting person and abusive) is healthy and essential for a healthy community.

On point 2, it might not be common in Pakistan but my understanding is it's common in Arab countries. But it's about rules/principles that a religion demands from it's follower to obey. It's about having more than 4 women in your nikah at the same time, which I believe prophet had more than 4 during some part of his life.You would have hard time convincing anybody to join a religion when it's prophet actions are different to it's teaching.

Regarding number 3, (on a lighter note) my friend you have a lot to learn ;) . Women desire for men is same if not more, for ref hazrat Yousuf and zulaikh story in quran

On point 2.
According to the Saudi General Authority of Statistics, the number of Saudi citezens who married more than once (including polygamists and those who remarried) is 65,291 out of 20,700,058 citizen.

This makes the percentage of polygamists and those who remarried combined stands no more than 0.31% of Saudi citizens.

It is very rare in other Muslim countries as well.

You also said you would find it hard convincing someone to follow the religion if the practice are different. But the stats show that Islam is fastest growing religion in the world. There are numerous videos on YouTube of reverts.

Prophet Mohammed pbuh was one person who initially spread the word of the Quran, since then there have been billions that have come and gone who testify that there no god but Allah and Prophet Mohammed pbuh is last messenger of Allah

Regarding number 3. Yes I agree women have desire more but they can control it more compared toi men. The one that allures man the most is woman.

 

[Respect]

Thanks for healthy discussion, which is unfortunately rate on sissat.pk, without any abusive language.

Regarding point 1, what you said is Islam's view about Christianity/ judism, it's not their point of view.

Point 3, does not justify existence of GOD either.

Christians believe in Jewism, Muslim's believe in Christianity and Jewish as people if the book

Point 3 justifies some kind if creator of the cosmic universe and earth and human beings.
Just saying the universe is cosmic and massive doesn't mean it came from nothing
Either there is a creator or we came from nothing. There are no in betweens.

 

[Kamboz]

lets talk about marriage of sofia. her husband was killed just after battle of khabar by Muslims, and she was married to prophet after his death, there is no way, a woman would willingly marry a person, who is responsible for her husband death. Does your mind accept this?? She must have been forced into it..

She was a prisoner after conquest of Khyber, as prisoners served as slaves, however the prophet on finding out she was the wife of the Leader, asked she be given to him . and instead of enslaving her , offered to marry, which she accepted.
later she narrated that in fact she had seen a dream about this event ,(saw that moon of arabia in her lap) when she told her husband the dream , he slapped her.
There is no evidence of him forcing anyone to marry him in any books.

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

Christians believe in Jewism, Muslim's believe in Christianity and Jewish as people if the book

Point 3 justifies some kind if creator of the cosmic universe and earth and human beings.
Just saying the universe is cosmic and massive doesn't mean it came from nothing
Either there is a creator or we came from nothing. There are no in betweens.

If there is creator, then, the question is who made creator? In both cases, something came from nothing, or in both cases, it's far too complex for human brain to understand

 

[Noworriesbehappy]

She was a prisoner after conquest of Khyber, as prisoners served as slaves, however the prophet on finding out she was the wife of the Leader, asked she be given to him . and instead of enslaving her , offered to marry, which she accepted.
later she narrated that in fact she had seen a dream about this event ,(saw that moon of arabia in her lap) when she told her husband the dream , he slapped her.
There is no evidence of him forcing anyone to marry him in any books.

when i die and find out there is no God, time wasted praying , no problem but when you die and find out there is God, you are f*cked up big time.

She was a prisoner after conquest of Khyber, as prisoners served as slaves, however the prophet on finding out she was the wife of the Leader, asked she be given to him . and instead of enslaving her , offered to marry, which she accepted.
later she narrated that in fact she had seen a dream about this event ,(saw that moon of arabia in her lap) when she told her husband the dream , he slapped her.
There is no evidence of him forcing anyone to marry him in any books.

Thats fines, i might not agree with your view/opinion but i respect it.

one thing we need to remember that, when it comes to history, not everything is true, " "history is written by the victors", or as we learnt, in the case of pakistan, by the powerfull. they are bound to be biased.

 

[Respect]

If there is creator, then, the question is who made creator? In both cases, something came from nothing, or in both cases, it's far too complex for human brain to understand

No one made fhe creator because it's always been there.
You said in both cases something came from nothing, if that is true than where did nothing come from?
0 means zero..
There are two options either there is a creator who has always been there that has made the universe and everything in it.
Or there was nothing and something happened and universe earth human beings cane to existence with random chance without nothing knowing anything about it
It's Like saying someone asks me who made your house. And I say well there was big explosion. As a result of the big explosion bricks, electricity, fridge, sofa etc came to existence they were floating around in the air. Then after a million years when the house had the TV, electricity sofa etc. I came to existence, then all of a sudden a female came not sure how we came it is very complex too understand and we fell in love and had babies.

 

[siasat.us]

Thats fines, i might not agree with your view/opinion but i respect it.

one thing we need to remember that, when it comes to history, not everything is true, " "history is written by the victors", or as we learnt, in the case of pakistan, by the powerfull. they are bound to be biased.

I want an individual reply for my comment. I want to know your opinion about it