Reponse of ABD to propaganda against BRT...

adeel.zafar

Senator (1k+ posts)
He was trying to pull a fast one, but not as fast as SS claims about eliminating load shedding...
SS claim about load shedding was corrected by NS before elections when he said kay yeh josh e khitabat mai bol jatay hain - Pervaiz Khattak on the other hand still believes that he can complete BRT in 6 months :)
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
That was claimed before they revised the project and included feeder routes and 3 commercial plazas as part of the project! Afterward, it was revised to 23rd March 2019 which would have made the project to complete in 1.5 yr. This is the timeline you have in Project CPS as well.

But, I think it'll be complete by 1.75. So, there is a delay, but not as much as the media is making it to look!


What propaganda? Pervaz Khattak himself said that it will be completed in 6 months.
 

FahadBhatti

Minister (2k+ posts)
Didmt kpk government make their own claims of completing the project in 6 months , according to them it was supposed to be completed before the general election last year.
 

desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
or may be pinky peerni will receive it full throttle by Naeem ul haq !
respect others woman so yours can be respected potiyan.
naam desan aur kaam aunty shamim waley 🤧

PS: I dont support maryum or pinky bashing

What was so offensive in the post???
 

Nice2MU

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It was never Before Elections but after elections when that slogan had already deceived the public.

SS claim about load shedding was corrected by NS before elections when he said kay yeh josh e khitabat mai bol jatay hain - Pervaiz Khattak on the other hand still believes that he can complete BRT in 6 months :)
 

Sohail Shuja

Minister (2k+ posts)

1- What is the source of this email? how can this be taken as reliable?
2- What is the revised PC-1 cost? He did not state any here
3- Why is he saying that the project is ahead of schedule whereby the relevant document on ADB's Website states otherwise
Ref to Page 3-( Table 2, Project Implementation Plan) of the document in the link:


The date of completion was Dec 2018, after the revisions in the plan and approval of 587 million USD loan.

4- Why is he giving the misleading statement that the loan's closing is by 2021 and he is not stating that the majority of the ADB's funding (i.e. 87% is exhausted by 2019) and only 13% will be disbursed in subsequent years 2019 to 2021 for operational purposes. Ref to Page 16 (S-Curve) of the above mentioned document of ADB.

Moreover, the Loan agreement with ADB has been secured by the charge of interest during the construction period.

5- Last,but not the least: Why is GoKP is conducting an inquiry into the delays and price escalations (which are more than 40%) whereby the ADB is sitting satisfied with the performance of the project?
 

Steyn

Minister (2k+ posts)

1- What is the source of this email? how can this be taken as reliable?
2- What is the revised PC-1 cost? He did not state any here
3- Why is he saying that the project is ahead of schedule whereby the relevant document on ADB's Website states otherwise
Ref to Page 3-( Table 2, Project Implementation Plan) of the document in the link:


The date of completion was Dec 2018, after the revisions in the plan and approval of 587 million USD loan.

4- Why is he giving the misleading statement that the loan's closing is by 2021 and he is not stating that the majority of the ADB's funding (i.e. 87% is exhausted by 2019) and only 13% will be disbursed in subsequent years 2019 to 2021 for operational purposes. Ref to Page 16 (S-Curve) of the above mentioned document of ADB.

Moreover, the Loan agreement with ADB has been secured by the charge of interest during the construction period.

5- Last,but not the least: Why is GoKP is conducting an inquiry into the delays and price escalations (which are more than 40%) whereby the ADB is sitting satisfied with the performance of the project?
If some independent body researches BRT, they will find huge corruption in it.

The quality of roads alone shows how much money actually went into this and how much was pocketed. They're falling apart despite being built not too many months ago
 

desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Did you read the email? Because clearly you didn't.

PTI claimed ADB did the changes but even in the email, ADB rejected that and said KP government requested those changes.

Check this

They should be hanged if they did corruption, hope they will not burn the records!!!

BTW: Thanks for sharing the Geo source.
Their well known love for IK and PTI will hopefully keep them honest.
However, reporting is mostly based on false/misleading information that often goes against PTI and in favor of PMLn.
 
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Sohail Shuja

Minister (2k+ posts)
They should be hanged if they did corruption, hope they will not burn the records!!!
What do you mean by "If they did corruption"?
This is clearly a case of strategic misrepresentation.

Initial cost of the BRT project given in the parliament to get the project approved was 48 Billion PKR. However, the first PC-1 of the Project estimates, provided by ADB was 62 Billion PKR in 2015, before the project start. Now the estimates are exceeding 69 Billion PKR. That is almost 44% Cost hike and more than 200% of schedule run (from estimates provided initially in the KPK assembly to get the go on the project).

Now this type of corruption is hard to catch and it is rampant even in first world countries. A study showed that almost 45% of those involved in making such decisions had knowingly understated what they believed to be the true costs and/or overstated the likely benefits in order to get a project approved (Source: http://calleam.com/WTPF/?p=6141).

However, the works of Daniel Kahneman and Prof Bent Flybjerg in this context are termed as classics. UK and US have developed a new forecasting technique on these works known as reference class forecasting, just because of the reason that such corruptions and white collar crimes are hard to catch. They mix it with Optimism or Cognitive Bias.

My personal favorite in this context is the work by Bent Flybjerg.

 

Sohail Shuja

Minister (2k+ posts)
If some independent body researches BRT, they will find huge corruption in it.

The quality of roads alone shows how much money actually went into this and how much was pocketed. They're falling apart despite being built not too many months ago
Yes, whenever an investigation and/or an inquiry is conducted, it is done by a third party who do not have any stakes in the project and thus can provide an unbiased view. However, on the other hand, it appears to be a big time joke that Govt of KPK, is conducting an inquiry into the cost and budget busts of the project.
 

desan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
What do you mean by "If they did corruption"?
This is clearly a case of strategic misrepresentation.

Initial cost of the BRT project given in the parliament to get the project approved was 48 Billion PKR. However, the first PC-1 of the Project estimates, provided by ADB was 62 Billion PKR in 2015, before the project start. Now the estimates are exceeding 69 Billion PKR. That is almost 44% Cost hike and more than 200% of schedule run (from estimates provided initially in the KPK assembly to get the go on the project).

Now this type of corruption is hard to catch and it is rampant even in first world countries. A study showed that almost 45% of those involved in making such decisions had knowingly understated what they believed to be the true costs and/or overstated the likely benefits in order to get a project approved (Source: http://calleam.com/WTPF/?p=6141).

However, the works of Daniel Kahneman and Prof Bent Flybjerg in this context are termed as classics. UK and US have developed a new forecasting technique on these works known as reference class forecasting, just because of the reason that such corruptions and white collar crimes are hard to catch. They mix it with Optimism or Cognitive Bias.

My personal favorite in this context is the work by Bent Flybjerg.



After counting trees in billion tree tsunami, finally found another vocation to kill ones time!!!
 

Sohail Shuja

Minister (2k+ posts)
After counting trees in billion tree tsunami, finally found another vocation to kill ones time!!!
I was expecting something better. BTW, keep happy by expelling Justice Wajih from the party and carry on with your "Anti-Corruption" strive/strife. Sweet Dreams!!!
 
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