PAKISTAN HAS NEVER LOST. Dr. Pravin Sawhney

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We would have resolved Kashmir issue decades ago if we had taken Zhou Enlai's advice.

But our jahil Generals didn't listen to him. They said one Muslims soldier is equal to 10 Hindu soldiers.

Just imagine the stupidity of not only having that mentality but also overlooking that India had more Muslims than Pakistan.

We were on the right track up until 1958 that's when Army started meddling in civilian affairs.


He is right it is in greater interest of India to have best relationship with Pakistan.
If India would had done today the most powerful n influential country of Asia at least.
For Pakistan it is better to be a great neighbour to India.
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
It continues to amaze me how many comments are plainly out of a disgusting approach to anything good.
Some people just don't know how to accept appreciation with grace.
Some people just have to bring all people down to their level of frustration and disgust with their lives before they can feel good for a few moments, then the cycle starts all over again for their pathetic lives.
 

Ratan

Minister (2k+ posts)
The dreamer of akhand Bharat could not keep Bharat Akhand in 1947 in spite of having 7 times more population than Muslims; the Gobar eaters couldn't stop great M.A Jinnah to create Pakistan by slicing India in three Khands (pieces).
1. West Pakistan 2. East Pakistan 3. India.
Out of grave frustration, terrorist organization RSS killed their chaddi leader Gandhi for failing to keep India Akhand.
Hindustan looked on helplessly when Kashmiri Scouts took control of 39% of Jammu & Kashmir from India & china captured 20%. India left with 41%.

Again it happened in 1948, this time Pak Army annexed whole Gilgit-Baltistan from India.

Another part of territory lost to Pakistan, which is one 7th in size & population of India.
Can you imagine had Pakistan been even half of India in size & population...what would have been the fate of India?
 

Ratan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hindu stani trolls love to mention 1971 war in former East Pakistan...here is the fact:

In 1971, in Eastern front 90,000 soldiers surrendered because they were ordered to do so by their Generals.
They were fighting a war 1,300 miles away from home land & in between a hostile enemy country, Tattistan...aka hindustan, was already covertly engaged in fighting alongside so-called Mukti Bahini long before full scale December 1971.

And later when full-scale war broke out, more than hundred thousand Mukti Bahini fought alongside India from inside East Pakistan including 'Bengal Regiment' (regular Bengali soldiers from Pakistan army)

For Pak Army, in East Pakistan factually there was no supply line from West Pakistan to support 90,000 army, the ammunition stockpiles which they had before the full scale war...were receding very fast, only approximate 30 days ammunitions were left.

There was no fighter jets in favor of Pak army to defend them from enemy air raids, except of few helicopters.

With above ground reality any sensible General would have considered for a ceasefire to minimize the casualties.

During World War II at Russian front …Hitler’s army faced extreme difficult situation due to harsh Russian winter & German army's entire supply line was completely cut off due to thick snow.

Hitler’s Generals, to minimize the casualties, asked for seasfare & stop fighting. They surrendered...& ..the Credits went to the nasty Russian winter and not to USSR army.

Lateron, the War Historians named it 'General Winter' or 'General Frost' or 'General Snow'. All refers to the harsh winter climate of Russia as a contributing factor to the military failures of several invasions of Russia.

1971 war was no different...it was not a credit for Tattistani army rather the disadvantage of faulty situation of war theatre.
Since independent in western front not a single war won by India against Pakistan.

Read the books of Indian Generals of 1971 war.
But how about 1962 war with china? It was not a 1,300 miles away war for India. And how about present situation of Ladakh?...Tattistan & China are almost same in population & size. 😊
 

aneeskhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am a great supporter of peace among BD, India and Pakistan as we do have very many things common for thousands of years, we are burning ourselves and India has the biggest responsibility for the peace but idiot Modi is the biggest threat to peace.
I am not great fan of Pakistan Army as sometimes I wrote truths n considered as RAW agent but Regarding bravery of Pakistan Army , it is my believe whenever wherever we fought without any fear or temptation we did superb.
25th March 1971 Awami league unilaterally announced Independence Bangladesh with help of Indian agent. Majority were East Bengal Regiment in Chittagong, they blocked Chittagong cantonment ,Navy and Air Force bases . Started killing all Pro Pakistan civilians in thousands.
Nearby cantonment was Commilla where 250 Pakistani commandoes were there , they airdropped to Chittagong by Helicopter in dawn,
Believe me these 250 commandoes cleared thousands of Rebel Bengal Regiment Plus Mukti Baha’i Plus Indian instructors in one day and open the gates of Chittagong Cantonment , so in 48 hours city restored.
I am the eyewitness as 11 years old boy.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
First of all we didnt take Gilgit from India. Indians never had Gilgit.

Second we never gave a shit about Bangladesh. We kept all the assets and resources in West Pakistan. When 1971 war started we only had 16 tanks and 0 fighter jets in Bangladesh.

All those things show how careless and unprepared Pakistani Generals were.

Hindu stani trolls love to mention 1971 war in former East Pakistan...here is the fact:

In 1971, in Eastern front 90,000 soldiers surrendered because they were ordered to do so by their Generals.
They were fighting a war 1,300 miles away from home land & in between a hostile enemy country, Tattistan...aka hindustan, was already covertly engaged in fighting alongside so-called Mukti Bahini long before full scale December 1971.

And later when full-scale war broke out, more than hundred thousand Mukti Bahini fought alongside India from inside East Pakistan including 'Bengal Regiment' (regular Bengali soldiers from Pakistan army)

For Pak Army, in East Pakistan factually there was no supply line from West Pakistan to support 90,000 army, the ammunition stockpiles which they had before the full scale war...were receding very fast, only approximate 30 days ammunitions were left.

There was no fighter jets in favor of Pak army to defend them from enemy air raids, except of few helicopters.

With above ground reality any sensible General would have considered for a ceasefire to minimize the casualties.

During World War II at Russian front …Hitler’s army faced extreme difficult situation due to harsh Russian winter & German army's entire supply line was completely cut off due to thick snow.

Hitler’s Generals, to minimize the casualties, asked for seasfare & stop fighting. They surrendered...& ..the Credits went to the nasty Russian winter and not to USSR army.

Lateron, the War Historians named it 'General Winter' or 'General Frost' or 'General Snow'. All refers to the harsh winter climate of Russia as a contributing factor to the military failures of several invasions of Russia.

1971 war was no different...it was not a credit for Tattistani army rather the disadvantage of faulty situation of war theatre.
Since independent in western front not a single war won by India against Pakistan.

Read the books of Indian Generals of 1971 war.
But how about 1962 war with china? It was not a 1,300 miles away war for India. And how about present situation of Ladakh?...Tattistan & China are almost same in population & size. 😊
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
First of all we didnt take Gilgit from India. Indians never had Gilgit.

Second we never gave a shit about Bangladesh. We kept all the assets and resources in West Pakistan. When 1971 war started we only had 16 tanks and 0 fighter jets in Bangladesh.

All those things show how careless and unprepared Pakistani Generals were.
Things are always more complicated than simple one-liner conclusions.
What was the responsibility of Bengali leadership? resolve matters through dialogue or connive with the enemy to stab us in the back?
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bengali leadership was behind bars

Things are always more complicated than simple one-liner conclusions.
What was the responsibility of Bengali leadership? resolve matters through dialogue or connive with the enemy to stab us in the back?
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
Bengali leadership was behind bars
Fo Agartal Saazish, and what was the saazish?
Oh and which general said "Tangay tore doon ga us ki jo East Pakistan jai ga" and who said "Idher hum udhar tum" Like I said things are always more complicated than single line conclusive statements.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There is complication and there is down right stupid. In Pakistan's case it is the latter.

Fo Agartal Saazish, and what was the saazish?
Oh and which general said "Tangay tore doon ga us ki jo East Pakistan jai ga" and who said "Idher hum udhar tum" Like I said things are always more complicated than single line conclusive statements.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Every adult person understands that there is an action and then there is a consequence.

It was our decision to go to war in 1965 and show our middle finger to UN on Kashmir issue.

It was our decision to discriminate Bengalis, imprison their elected leader and leave it undefended with no airforce and no armoured regiment. Result is infront of us.


I am not sure if you are declaring or discussing.
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
Every adult person understands that there is an action and then there is a consequence.

It was our decision to go to war in 1965 and show our middle finger to UN on Kashmir issue.

It was our decision to discriminate Bengalis, imprison their elected leader and leave it undefended with no airforce and no armoured regiment. Result is infront of us.
Since you are adamant that you are right using help from twisting & embellishing history, have a blast.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
akbar babar ke parpote , boot polish karna band karo .khud hathyar uthao aur kashmir fateh karo .
Aur tum pehlay China se Ladakh azaad karo. Hum ne aadha Kashmir azaad kar leeya hai baqi bhi karenge, insha allah. Pehlay Bharat mein toilet banao phir hum pe tans karna namaqool.
 

aneeskhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Not to call assembly was joint crime of Bhutto n Yahya.
But
Massacre against pro Pakistan civilians never told as stupid Pakistan shying of owning those .
All killings done by Mukti Bahani one sided reported they are been killed by Pakistani army as Indian media tilt the story totally against Pakistan army n Khao Pakistani Media never defended it.
Later a neutral Journalist grand daughter of Taigore American nationalists did forensics audit n proved that majority killings were from pro Pakistani not Pro Bangladesh.
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
Not to call assembly was joint crime of Bhutto n Yahya.
But
Massacre against pro Pakistan civilians never told as stupid Pakistan shying of owning those .
All killings done by Mukti Bahani one sided reported they are been killed by Pakistani army as Indian media tilt the story totally against Pakistan army n Khao Pakistani Media never defended it.
Later a neutral Journalist grand daughter of Taigore American nationalists did forensics audit n proved that majority killings were from pro Pakistani not Pro Bangladesh.
Also read a book called "Tragedy of errors" a neutral Pakistani writer, Salik, You will find irrefutable facts and figures which can be confirmed as to how Bengali leadership was exaggerating figures to strengthen their points or just create a point for the world intelligentsia to back them.
From the word get-go the intention of the political leadership of East Pakistan was Severance and independence thus the Agartala saazish which has been confessed to by Haseena Wajid.
Do you know of any politically honest struggle in which a leadership makes clandestine plans behind back with the biggest enemy, gets their financial support, and has the enemy propaganda machine working for them??
Accepting responsibility and taking the blame are 2 worlds apart phenomenon. Backstabbing Political leadership of east Pakistan, useless print media of Pakistan, uneducated population of Pakistan, poor financial situations, a fledgling country who was denied moneys and it's shares by the cheating Indian government, power-hungry politician, an incompetent general, poor acessibility of the territory of EP, The so-called politicians got Mujeeb out of jail when he was fairly convicted of Treason and then onwards being exposed and given moral support by the politician of Pakistan he now had an easier course to his separation plan and incompetent useless, spineless, murdering politicians of the time could not go back on their claims of Mujeeb's innocense and had NO plan how to deal with this menace.
 
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