Pakistan got better LNG contract compared to India & Bangladesh

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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LNG controversy


LNG contract with Qatar has become a hot political topic. The contract was handled by the P.M. Abbasi when he was Minister of Petroleum although he continues to hold the charge of Ministry of Energy which has recently been formed through the merger of Ministry of Petroleum and Ministry of Power.

The antagonists of the PML (N) and PM Abbasi argue that Pakistan and Qatar LNG contract prices are unduly high and there is a possible scope for corruption and rentier intermediary interest in the contract. We would like to present and examine the facts and data to let the readers make their own judgement about the merits of these allegations. We must clarify at the outset that there is no intention here to support or oppose any partisan view.

Pakistan LNG contract is a government-to-government contract for the supply of LNG for a period of 15 years with an annual average supply of LNG of 3.75 million tons, valued at 1.3 billion USD per year at current prices. The contract was negotiated after a considerable negotiation process. Qatar has been a dominant and up to a certain time a kind of a sole supplier for many countries. Competition in LNG sector has emerged over the recent years. American Shale gas has come into the export market. LNG prices have come down along with a drastic reduction in oil prices.

Before oil price reduction, LNG prices were around 14-16 USD per MMBtu which now have come to 5-7 USD per MMBtu. Unlike oil, LNG prices are still regional and there is no standard and uniform reference price for LNG unlike Brent crude oil index prices. Lowest LNG prices are in the U.S. based on cheap Shale gas and in Europe LNG prices are also quite lower due to cheap exports from the US and competition of LNG with piped gas.

The Pakistan-Qatar contract was finalised sometimes in 2015 which was in earlier part of the emanating competition. The contract price formula was agreed at 13.37 percent (Coefficient technically) of the Brent Crude oil price which translates into around 6.68 USD per MMBtu, assuming current typical oil price of 50 USD per barrel. For those who may not be initiated in Oil and gas pricing, they must understand that LNG prices are not 13.37 percent of Oil prices. In fact these are around 75-80% of oil prices. The figure of 13.37 is a multiplier for convenience sake. When one multiplies the crude oil price (which is in USD per barrel) with the coefficient of say 13.37, one gets the resultant LNG prices in USD per MMBtu.

After entering into a contract with Qatar, MP&NR invited tenders, as a result of which Eni, an Italian company, offered the minimum bid prices of 12.26 percent which were further negotiated down to 11.9 percent of Brent crude. There is a considerable difference between Eni prices and those of Qatar of the order of about 11 percent. Eni could offer this kind of low price through combining many sources cheap and not so cheap. Qatar prices are higher comparatively with other company prices because, firstly, these are negotiated prices and are not tender prices; secondly, Qatar thinks that it offers a more secure and lesser-risked contracts in terms of the security of supply.

However, Pakistan-Qatar LNG prices, if compared with the contract prices of Qatar with India and Bangladesh, appear to be almost the same or even higher. Let us examine the data as provided in the table. Although the coefficient-multipliers of India and Bangladesh are lower than the Pakistan-Qatar contract's; there is an additive number in the contracts of the two countries. This number when added makes their effective prices higher than that of Pakistan. Thus Indian and Bangladeshi prices are perhaps a more appropriate and relevant reference than Japan's or Europe's.

It has been mentioned earlier that LNG prices are regional and vary among the regions and also depend on the market power and volumes of orders. Japan's low prices of 5.8 USD per MMBtu can be seen in that perspective. European prices are even lower at 5.28 USD. And that of the US still lower. Thus, it would be inappropriate to compare the LNG prices with international terms as we do in case of oil.

Additionally, spot prices are not comparable with a 15-year long-term contract. Spot prices vary under supply and demand and also vary seasonally and may be affected by temporary or occasional events. Under spot prices, a supplier has almost no price risks; he supplies at prevailing prices. Under a long-term contract, although there is a link with crude oil prices, there may be price variations beyond that are covered under the formula. Longer the term of the contract higher the price risk and higher the prices. We have another example of Guvnor prices offered to Pakistan for a period of five years which were still lower than Eni prices, which proves our point.

The real winner is Pakistan. Eni contract at a price of 5.95 USD is quite closer to that of Japan. Ironically and interestingly, both Eni and Qatar contracts have been done by the same agency. The difference is that one is negotiated and the other is the result of comparative bid. We have always argued in favour of competitive bidding as we have been doing in the case of solar and wind power prices of which have been coming down under competitive bidding. However, LNG is more complicated.

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Table :Comparative LNG Import Prices in Countries

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Brent Constant LNG price* Effective

Coefficient USD/MMBtu Coeff

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Pakistan -Qatar Gov to Gov 13.37 0 6.685 13.37

Pakistan ENI 11.9 0 5.95 11.9

India-Petronet-RasGas-Qatar 12.66 0.6 6.93 13.86

Bangladesh-Qatar 12.65 0.5 6.825 13.65

Japan METI-August 2017 SPOT 5.8 11.6

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--based on 50 USD Brent crude oil price

Source: 1) DNA India; 2) Daily Star Bangladesh; 3) METI-Japan; 4) MPNR-Pakistan

Finally, why should there be a secrecy on contract? However, the relevant people would be foolish enough to bring in such questionable confidentiality, if there is some hanky-panky. In that case, what is the plausible reason? The contract prices are declared now and communicated both to Ogra and PSO. Qatar government might have insisted on keeping the contract or/and price secret so that it does not complicate the price negotiations with other parties. We have seen that Pakistani prices are slightly lower than offered to India and Bangladesh. We are not sure how advisable it was for Pakistan in these circumstances to go with the secrecy provisions. In any case, it is no secret anymore.

Concluding, the Pakistan-Qatar contract prices are comparable with those in comparable and relevant countries in South Asia. LNG prices are a complicated issue and not as simple and standard as Crude oil prices. There is no standard and uniform reference price as is there in Brent crude accepted widely. LNG market is evolving and prices may come down. However, we would be bound by our long-term agreements. Long-term agreements have their pros and cons as everything else has. If price differences increase, there may always be a possibility of renegotiations within or outside the contract at political level. The foregoing still does not prove that somebody may or may not have made money in LNG deal. Third party facilitators having long-term service or sales contract may always be able to earn some money. That money, however, comes out of the sellers pockets. Sellers normally do not give a benefit of non-involvement of a facilitator to the buyer.

(The write is a former Member Energy, Planning Commission)

Copyright Business Recorder, 2017


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Kamboz

Minister (2k+ posts)
What about the part, where Engro is awarded some facilities award, for which there is a 175,000 $ daily fee to be paid for next 15 years. Explain that please.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اتنی شفافیت ہے تو معاھدہ ظاہر کیوں نہیں کیا گیا۔۔۔اب تک خاقان عباسی وعدے کے باوجوداس پر بات کرنے سے کیوں گریزاں ہے اسمبلی میں

اور اگر یہ سب سیکریٹس ہیں تو پھر اس مضمون کا کوئ فائدہ؟
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Go ahead man ----- You can just keep pulling thing from here and there, without any context and background information and make your case.
But the facts when come out appear like this. Much different than the lies you people and your leaders spread.
And at the end they
either run away from the courts like rats just like 35 punctures, Javed Sadiq saga of aik Arub rupya, ---- or he tells to the courts that he had dementia "just like he forgot he Euro account".
Three weeks ago Sheikh saab was jumping up and down on taking the Govt to court on this case, where is he now. Where has his case gone ????


What about the part, where Engro is awarded some facilities award, for which there is a 175,000 $ daily fee to be paid for next 15 years. Explain that please.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
اگر صرف عمران خان کی ڈاں ڈاں سننے سے فراغت ملے تو اخبار وغیرہ پڑھ کر اصل حقیقت بھی جان لیا کریں حضور - ٢٧ اکتوبر کو اس پر بحث ہو چکی ہے - دوسری بات سیکرٹ رکھنے کی تو ایسے کونٹر یکٹس سیکرٹ رکھے جاتے ہیں - جب کسی ایک ملک کو ہ فائدہ دیا جاۓ - سگ راولپنڈی کو بھونکن سے اور کچھ ہوا ہے یا نہیں اتنا ضرور ہوا ہے کہ اب کوئی بہترریٹس پر ہم سے کونٹریکٹ نہیں کرے گا

https://www.dawn.com/news/1366550

اتنی شفافیت ہے تو معاھدہ ظاہر کیوں نہیں کیا گیا۔۔۔اب تک خاقان عباسی وعدے کے باوجوداس پر بات کرنے سے کیوں گریزاں ہے اسمبلی میں

اور اگر یہ سب سیکریٹس ہیں تو پھر اس مضمون کا کوئ فائدہ؟
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Go ahead man ----- You can just keep pulling thing from here and there, without any context and background information and make your case.
But the facts when come out appear like this. Much different than the lies you people and your leaders spread.
And at the end they
either run away from the courts like rats just like 35 punctures, Javed Sadiq saga of aik Arub rupya, ---- or he tells to the courts that he had dementia "just like he forgot he Euro account".
Three weeks ago Sheikh saab was jumping up and down on taking the Govt to court on this case, where is he now. Where has his case gone ????

India signed long term contracts with Qatar a few years ago, and their contracts are re-negotiatable. As of now, they are doing exactly that with all their long term contracts, and are looking to capitalize on the lower spot prices of LNG......whereas Pakistan is stuck, since our LNG price is pegged to Brent, which is at a yearly high of $61 right now.
Also to be considered is the fact that India and Bangladesh have a higher transport charge which adds to their cost. So firing shots in the air without outlining all details is fruitless.
 

Munawarkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A pat Warri scientist trying to justify one more secret contract if the government.

Wausau ye d mocracy ka Rona ronay Walay, makes parliament jatay gain an hi koi Faisla cabinet main Kertay hain.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
You can say all the good stuff for India, but if you look at the situation Pakistan is in, your point of view will become different. We are always sitting at the edge of being punished severely for proliferating and nuclear developments. When embargo comes The first and fro-most hit we will get is on the energy. Of course when that time comes we may lose our long term contracts too but, unlike India we Cannot play in the risky waters. we need to make possible all the surities we can get for the situation we are in.
But of course, you need an honest thinking all above the political affiliations to understand that --- or at least admit that if you understand.


India signed long term contracts with Qatar a few years ago, and their contracts are re-negotiatable. As of now, they are doing exactly that with all their long term contracts, and are looking to capitalize on the lower spot prices of LNG......whereas Pakistan is stuck, since our LNG price is pegged to Brent, which is at a yearly high of $61 right now.
Also to be considered is the fact that India and Bangladesh have a higher transport charge which adds to their cost. So firing shots in the air without outlining all details is fruitless.
 
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RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Why are you so angry with me Munawar khan. You are hitting me hard from few days.
And the patwari scientist is just putting up the facts sir.

A pat Warri scientist trying to justify one more secret contract if the government.

Wausau ye d mocracy ka Rona ronay Walay, makes parliament jatay gain an hi koi Faisla cabinet main Kertay hain.
 

RealPeople

Minister (2k+ posts)
Go ahead man ----- You can just keep pulling thing from here and there, without any context and background information and make your case.
But the facts when come out appear like this. Much different than the lies you people and your leaders spread.
And at the end they
either run away from the courts like rats just like 35 punctures, Javed Sadiq saga of aik Arub rupya, ---- or he tells to the courts that he had dementia "just like he forgot he Euro account".
Three weeks ago Sheikh saab was jumping up and down on taking the Govt to court on this case, where is he now. Where has his case gone ????
Oh nawaz kay khabe, baat to yay hain kay boht saray achay deals pehlay bhi huay lekin sara profit patwarri koh jata hai. Ab woh din gaye. Moron. Slob. Wanker
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
You can say all the good stuff for India, but if you look at the situation Pakistan is in, your point of view will become different. We are always sitting at the edge of being punished severely for proliferating and nuclear developments. When embargo comes The first and fro-most hit we will get is on the energy. Of course when that time comes we may lose our long term contracts too but, unlike India we Cannot play in the risky waters. we need to make possible all the surities we can get for the situation we are in.
But of course, you need an honest thinking all above the political affiliations to understand that --- or at least admit that if you understand.

Honest thinking? or jst a bit of common sense? Our contract is with Qatar..not with America or UK. Qatar is the most cornered arab state right now, and is desperate to get business or goodwill. India is taking good advantage of this leverage by renegotiating their contracts. According to you, since Pakistan is a pariah, hence we have to go for bad loans and unfavorable contracts? Just a couple of posts ago, you were celebrating the 'fact' that Pakistan has a better contract than other subcontinental countries. So which Raja am I talking to? the post 1 Raja, or the post #8 Raja?
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Honest thinking? or jst a bit of common sense? Our contract is with Qatar..not with America or UK. Qatar is the most cornered arab state right now, and is desperate to get business or goodwill. India is taking good advantage of this leverage by renegotiating their contracts. According to you, since Pakistan is a pariah, hence we have to go for bad loans and unfavorable contracts? Just a couple of posts ago, you were celebrating the 'fact' that Pakistan has a better contract than other subcontinental countries. So which Raja am I talking to? the post 1 Raja, or the post #8 Raja?

Don't just pick up my words and mingle them up like this. If you care to read the article it clearly states that in terms of long term contracts we are in better deal. However for short term floating rates whete there are no surities it can be cheaper.
And would you say anything over anything ??? Was Qatar in this kind of situation when contract was done in 2015. And would you ever ever think that Pakistan will go against Saudis and do the contract with Qatar like this. It bugs me man you don't talk real.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Oh nawaz kay khabe, baat to yay hain kay boht saray achay deals pehlay bhi huay lekin sara profit patwarri koh jata hai. Ab woh din gaye. Moron. Slob. Wanker

Imran khan ke sujey. Tumhari jitni zehni salahiyt he tum se itna hi expect kiya ja sukta he.
Ab Mujhey slob wanker ka pata hi nheen kya hota he pur tu ne angrezi se kafi Sarey jahilon ko impress kur diya ho ga.
 
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mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اتنی شفافیت ہے تو معاھدہ ظاہر کیوں نہیں کیا گیا۔۔۔اب تک خاقان عباسی وعدے کے باوجوداس پر بات کرنے سے کیوں گریزاں ہے اسمبلی میں

اور اگر یہ سب سیکریٹس ہیں تو پھر اس مضمون کا کوئ فائدہ؟

معاہدہ پی ایس او کی ویبسائٹ پر موجود ہے ، ابھی پرسوں وزیر اعظم نے کہا ہے پوچھیں جو سوال پوچھنے ہیں میں ذمہ داری لیتا ہوں ایک بھی سوال نہیں آیا

This is a copy of the long term LNG purchase agreement between Pakistan and Qatar. It is available on PSO website.

http://psopk.com/suppliers/pdf/LONG TERM LNG SALE AND PURCHASE AGREEMENT.pdf
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India signed long term contracts with Qatar a few years ago, and their contracts are re-negotiatable. As of now, they are doing exactly that with all their long term contracts, and are looking to capitalize on the lower spot prices of LNG......whereas Pakistan is stuck, since our LNG price is pegged to Brent, which is at a yearly high of $61 right now.
Also to be considered is the fact that India and Bangladesh have a higher transport charge which adds to their cost. So firing shots in the air without outlining all details is fruitless.

Pakistan need 8 more these types of contact. Pakistan has also the option to re-negotiate the contract or cancel the contact altogether. read the contract I have posted above.
 

RealPeople

Minister (2k+ posts)
Imran khan ke sujey. Tumhari jitni zehni salahiyt he tum se itna hi expect kiya ja sukta he.
Ab Mujhey slob wanker ka pata hi nheen kya hota he pur tu ne angrezi se kafi Sarey jahilon ko impress kur diya ho ga.

Zyadda buk buk na Kar. Waisay toh angrezi ki khabrain lagane main tez hai. Ab kehta angrezi Ka pata nahi. Yeh BATA key pichlay deals Ka Nafa Kaha gya. SOB.
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اگر صرف عمران خان کی ڈاں ڈاں سننے سے فراغت ملے تو اخبار وغیرہ پڑھ کر اصل حقیقت بھی جان لیا کریں حضور - ٢٧ اکتوبر کو اس پر بحث ہو چکی ہے - دوسری بات سیکرٹ رکھنے کی تو ایسے کونٹر یکٹس سیکرٹ رکھے جاتے ہیں - جب کسی ایک ملک کو ہ فائدہ دیا جاۓ - سگ راولپنڈی کو بھونکن سے اور کچھ ہوا ہے یا نہیں اتنا ضرور ہوا ہے کہ اب کوئی بہترریٹس پر ہم سے کونٹریکٹ نہیں کرے گا

https://www.dawn.com/news/1366550

کسی بھی ایسے ملک سے کوئی کیوں کام کرے گا جہاں کام کرنے کیلئے حکومتی ریگولیشن کے علاوہ اپوزیشن کی بکواس کا جواب بھی دینا پڑے، ابھی کل ہی ایک اور عالمی عدالت نے چودہ ارب کا ٹیکا لگایا ہے بدقسمتی سے اس کیس میں شیخ رشید کا کردار خواجہ آصف نے ادا کیا تھا
 

mhafeez

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Imran khan ke sujey. Tumhari jitni zehni salahiyt he tum se itna hi expect kiya ja sukta he.
Ab Mujhey slob wanker ka pata hi nheen kya hota he pur tu ne angrezi se kafi Sarey jahilon ko impress kur diya ho ga.

جب کسی کے پاس دلیل نہ ہو تو وہ گالیاں ہی دیتا ہے ، ایک عظیم فلسفی کا قول ہے "گالی دلیل کی موت ہے"
 

Munawarkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why are you so angry with me Munawar khan. You are hitting me hard from few days.
And the patwari scientist is just putting up the facts sir.

Patwari scientist was for the guy who wrote the article. not you :)

The point is I am not an expert on what deal was better for Pakistan. But I have read a few economist, who believe govt. could have done much much better in this deal. Usually cabinet is an effective way to sort out such mega deals and make sure that the solution goes in favour of our country. When N League bypasses the cabinet, don't disclose details, they act worst then dictators. And ofcouse more suspicion will be raised if there is no transparency.

Then I see N League supporters jumping and trying to justify that the party was right in bypassing the parliament.

 

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