Iran is allegdely supporting American retreat via Chahbahar port which is financed by India

mrcritic

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just saw this on PKKH facebook:

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#Iran is allegdely supporting #American retreat and this news surfaced in last october through some of our sources. Now in this trade agreement from #Chahbahar a port financed by #India who is on on whose side?

Did some research on it and look what I found:

In response to China’s presence in Gwadar port in Pakistan, India is seeking access to Iran’s Chabahar port which is being built with Indian assistance and can be linked by rail to Central Asia through Hajigak, a mineral-rich area in Afghanistan where India has obtained mining concessions. Chabahar port will help India maintain strong ties with Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance.

Choose the right fuel for economic growth


Abdul Wasey on why India must continue oil trade with Iran despite US ’ dire warnings

SOMETIME IT becomes difficult to immediately categorise a development as good or bad. India’s vaulting to the top of the list of Iran’s oil customers, overtaking China, fall in the same league. New Delhi’s direct imports from Tehran were 4.33 lakh barrels per day (bpd) in the first quarter of this year, compared with China’s 2.56 lakh bpd crude purchase. The Indian import figure was up by around 23 per cent from the 3.51 lakh bpd imported over the same period of 2011 and significantly above its 2011 average of 3.26 lakh bpd.

This development may upset the United States, which is putting overt pressure on India to curtail oil imports from the Gulf nation. The world’s biggest democracy is forcing the world, including other democratic countries, to isolate Iran socially and economically in a bid to thwart its nuclear ambition. It needs to know that persuasion, and not coercion, help find peaceful and long-lasting solutions.


History points out that the effectiveness of sanctions had always been erratic at best and disastrous at worst. The ultimate victims of the economic curbs had been the common people of the target countries. In many cases, sanctions have proved to be counterproductive. The 1990 Pressler sanctions against Pakistan, for example, triggered the country to develop several indigenous capabilities, enabling it to emerge as a nuclear power a decade later.


Again, penalising Iran may be a worthwhile objective but why do the US and Europe want to punish the whole world and drag global economic growth further down? They should understand that cutting trade ties with Iran, which is India’s second largest supplier of crude oil after Saudi Arabia, would be catastrophic. A sudden fuel shortfall can cripple its economy in days. The repercussions can cascade, slowly or quickly, into problems of public order and even public health. It is unfair to blame countries that rely on Iranian oil, such as India, for being reluctant to forgo this source of energy.


India’s unwillingness to estrange itself from Iran is also based on strategic considerations. In response to China’s presence in Gwadar port in Pakistan, India is seeking access to Iran’s Chabahar port which is being built with Indian assistance and can be linked by rail to Central Asia through Hajigak, a mineral-rich area in Afghanistan where India has obtained mining concessions. Chabahar port will help India maintain strong ties with Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance.


The new US-led sanctions push may put Washington and New Delhi on opposite sides of the fence. A falling out over Iran could have repercussions for the budding strategic partnership between the two countries, and make everything else — from trade to defence cooperation to diplomatic coordination — more difficult.


This is not the first time India is facing pressure from Washington over its economic alliance with Iran. New Delhi was forced to quit a joint pipeline project with Iran and Pakistan to transport gas. In 2010, India withdrew from negotiations. Pakistan also faces US pressure from the 2,700-km-long pipeline that will start from 2014: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned recently of sanctions.


New Delhi should be guided in the oil import issue solely by its own interests and not by sanctions outside the UN umbrella. The pressure has been on for more than a year. First, payments for Iranian oil imports through banks based in the West were choked. India found a way out by routing money through a Turkish bank. But with pressure mounting on Turkey to close the channel, India and Iran agreed to rupee payments with about half the value of imports to be paid thus. And now, there is pressure to wind down imports from Iran totally, not just on India but also on China and Japan. While Japan is negotiating with the US to keep a part of its imports out of the sanctions, China has thus far ignored them.


INTERESTINGLY, THE
new US law targeting Iranian petroleum transactions doesn’t specify by what percentage a nation must reduce its Iranian oil imports to qualify for exemption from sanctions. But given the level of trade between Iran and India, particularly in oil, New Delhi is a top priority target.


Let’s hope that the talks between Iran and the six world powers — the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany — continue to progress in the right direction and an agreement is reached at the second round in Baghdad next month. Till then, India has no option but to keep walking the tightrope of diplomacy to strike a balance between its longterm strategic partnership with the United States and its oil dependency on Iran

Looks like a full on all sided betrayal....?

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Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mate as told earlier many times, iran and india are inseparable friends and indian presence at chahbahar, road from chahbahar to major afghan bases is not a news but an old one.

Iran wants us dismantled as much as any other enemy would. In fact, india might not want us dismantled so bad that iran does because if there is instability in our region, india is effected as a big country but iran gets somewhat into another region so it wants mineral rich balochistan's major part and that is all.

Iran doesn't want us to prosper, period!
 

sadani

Minister (2k+ posts)
We all know that Iran openly supported US invading forces in Afghanistan against Talibans...

Nothing new about this persian nation ..... they are the biggest enemies of their own neighbors .... They stabbed Azerbaijani people in back , They stabbed Afghans ... They fought war with iraq ... They are taking "panga" an all middle east just in arab hatred.... also they are fully responsible for sectarian war in Pakistan alongwith arab countries.

They are persian first and than nothing.....
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just saw this on PKKH facebook:

#Iran is allegdely supporting #American retreat and this news surfaced in last october through some of our sources. Now in this trade agreement from #Chahbahar a port financed by #India who is on on whose side?

Did some research on it and look what I found:

In response to China’s presence in Gwadar port in Pakistan, India is seeking access to Iran’s Chabahar port which is being built with Indian assistance and can be linked by rail to Central Asia through Hajigak, a mineral-rich area in Afghanistan where India has obtained mining concessions. Chabahar port will help India maintain strong ties with Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance.
Full story here.


Looks like a full on all sided betrayal....?
What you mean by betrayal?.....who is betraying whom?.......
 

hans

Banned
Tell me, why should Iran not befriend India?

How many Iranian Diplomats have been killed in Pakistan, or killed by Pakistani stooges?

We as Pakistani were supporting Taliban. while Iran, Central Asian Countries and India supported Northern Alliance. on the long run we lost the proxy war in Afghanistan. So what, we still are trying to win, and working hard for it.

The end game comes not from Taliban winning or losing its rule over Afghanistan, its the failure and Bankruptcy of all those supporting these groups. We at our end always refer Afghanistan as a death bed for all Super Powers, but strangely on the long run we too have built our own coffers over how Afghanistan future should be. Look around, dont you see a pure Islamic society crumbling on to its knees?

I am sorry for using such strong words, but its never too late to retract from Zia ul Haq Policies. Let Afghan take care of them selves. Focus on our own country and its ever growing insatiability. Remember we have to play the game of Divide and rule. If we weight both Iran an India on the same level, then my Dear readers we are one of the biggest fools living on this Planet.

Leaders who have consolidated there enemies into one Basket have always lost, Example Saddam, Hitler, Taliban, etc... list is long.
 

Unicorn

Banned
Iran and India has a good relationship going back 3000 years. I don't know how you guys end up screwing it up in the last 40 years.
 

ALMAHDI

Banned
We all know that Iran openly supported US invading forces in Afghanistan against Talibans...

Nothing new about this persian nation ..... they are the biggest enemies of their own neighbors .... They stabbed Azerbaijani people in back , They stabbed Afghans ... They fought war with iraq ... They are taking "panga" an all middle east just in arab hatred.... also they are fully responsible for sectarian war in Pakistan alongwith arab countries.

They are persian first and than nothing.....

what about you guys and who gave you guys licence to try to bring taliban or other fanatic jahil mullah think about it,and try to find history ist who start war against iran? it was saddam maloon and what about taliban who attack iranian kabul based embassy and killed ambassader b4 u come to forum and try to spread haterd debate against iran just bcs of of diffrent school of thought, and i know why its ok for guy like u, but b4 that checked history then come here.
 
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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Iran and India has a good relationship going back 3000 years. I don't know how you guys end up screwing it up in the last 40 years.

How? Because in the last 40 years they were busy rewriting history that their forefathers ruled the sub-continent, part of Persia, part of Central Asia for a full one thousand years, but actually their forefathers were attacked and ruled over by Arabs??
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is not a bad idea. Iran has already toned down and it is talking to super six and India should play a catalyst role. Iran will only end up like Iraq if it continues its aggressive posture in the region. Only trade with the world and not nuclear posture will save Iran.

ps: Pakistan is the best example of nuclear aggressiveness but end up losing economic and political relations with the world.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Leaders who have consolidated there enemies into one Basket have always lost, Example Saddam, Hitler, Taliban, etc... list is long.

Nice one. Also, some believe that super so called super powers like Russia or China would support them finally, but they end up losing them once their utility is lost when China finds some other source to fuel their economy and as for Russia, they have enough resource to carry on their engine.
 

Unicorn

Banned
How? Because in the last 40 years they were busy rewriting history that their forefathers ruled the sub-continent, part of Persia, part of Central Asia for a full one thousand years, but actually their forefathers were attacked and ruled over by Arabs??

O I see Pakistan also ruled Iran for 1000 years yes that will get Iranians all wound up.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Iran and India has a good relationship going back 3000 years. I don't know how you guys end up screwing it up in the last 40 years.

There was no India 3000 years back you *** idiot!(clap) You must have been taught this rubbish at your or school textbooks:lol:!
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think its about Iran betraying the so called unmah and its thekedar.....
 
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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
No - I dsliked because this is not a hindi forum - no one can read hindi here - please abstain!!!! or bettter just go away to an indian forum!!

the message posted was not any bad language. It just said what betrayal meant was that India and America was against Muslims, which is posted by my of Pakistani friends in this forum. You are welcome to join in any Indian forums. As for my going away from this forum, it is the moderators and owners of any forums have the right to decide not members.
 
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TruPakistani

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Iran Opens Chabahar Port For NATO Supply

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PKKH Exclusive | by Shaikh Fahad


Afghan officials from Ministry of Chamber & Commerce speaking on condition of anonymity have said that Afghanistan will be allowed to use Iran’s Chabahar port for shipments and trade after the two countries signed an agreement in Kabul last Wednesday. It has also been learned that the Chabahar port has been financed by Indian government to maintain Iranian and Indian influence in Afghanistan after US forces leave Afghanistan in 2014. The second purpose, we believe of investment in this port is to counter Gwadar port of Pakistan.


The agreement was signed by Afghanistan’s Minister of Commerce and Industries Anwar al Haq Ahady and the Iranian Ambassador to Afghanistan Abolfazl Zohrevand.




The endorsement of the pact means Afghan traders including those directly working with American contracting companies will be able to use the southeastern port – Iran’s only port with direct access to the sea – for importing and exporting goods. The news of signing of this agreement comes as relief to US/NATO official since the closure of NATO supplies from Pakistan has caused massive setback in terms of finance to US/NATO.


Officials said the Chabahar port will help Afghanistan’s trade-related transit problems and is likely to boost commercial transactions.


Ahady said that, according to the agreement, the first step involves building a hub near the port for Afghan traders to have a base for trading from.


The allocation of land is around 50 hectares and he expects traders would be able to use it within a year, he said.


“Through the efforts of the Afghan and Iranian officials, Chabahar as a transit route for Afghanistan has become a reality,” he added.


A panel of officials from Iran who travelled to Afghanistan for the signing of the agreement said that many countries had applied to Chabahar Port for permission to use it, and Afghanistan with the help of Indian Investment had succeeded.


Ambassador Zohrevand welcomed the agreement saying it would help the economic expansion of Afghanistan as the port would provide greater access to Afghanistan into world markets.


“The outcome of this agreement is not only positive for Afghanistan and Iran relations, we also expect it to help the joint cooperation of Afghan and Iran traders so they can expand through cooperation to the Middle East and Asia,” he said.


The agreement eases the pressure on the US-backed Afghan Government to rely on trade routes through Pakistan, as relations between the two countries have witnessed significant restrains in recent months.


It also signals the warming of relations between Iran and Afghanistan. Only last week the pair endorsed an agreement to allow for the transfer of prisoners sentenced in the other’s country to serve their sentence in their native land.