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Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
قرآن ھی کی آیت ھے جس میں عیسی ع کا بچپن اور بڑھاپے میں معجزاتی خطاب کا بیان ھے ۔۔۔ ان کا سیدہ مریم ع کی گود میں کلام تو ھوچکا اور ثابت ھے قعآن سے مگر کہول میں یا بڑھاپے ھونا باقی ھے جو قرآں میں موجود نہیں۔
یعنی یہ تو ھے کہ وہ کہولت میں کلام کریں گے مگر یہ نہیں کہ انہون نے وہ کلام کیا ھے۔ اس بات پر علماء کی یہ دلیل ھے کہ وہ واپس آئینگے اور پھر سے معجزانا خطاب کریں گے۔ کیا خیال ھے اس ایت کے بارے میں

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 46:
وَيُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا وَمِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ

اور ماں کی گود میں اور بڑی عمر کا ہو کر (دونوں حالتوں میں) لوگوں سے (یکساں) گفتگو کرے گا اور نیکو کاروں میں ہوگا

دیکھیں ماں کی گود مین کیا گیا کلام تو قران نے الگ سے بیان۔کردیا مگر بڑی عمر کا بیان جو معجزانہ ھوگا کوئ نہین ۔۔۔۔ یہ ھونا باقی ھے۔ عیسی ع کا ظھور ھی معجزا ھے۔
Brother how does this ayat gives us impression that Hazrat issa wapis aain gaay?
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Infact, Hazrat issa was married and probably had kids as well.
Let me find two relevant ayats for you.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Quran 13:38
And We have already sent messengers before you and assigned to them wives and descendants. And it was not for a messenger to come with a sign except by permission of Allah . For every term is a decree.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Quran 3:144
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.
 

drkhan22

Senator (1k+ posts)
Quran 3:144
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.


Men ne arz kia na .... Esa AS kay mohjizana khitaab ka ziker hey iss ayat men ... Ik khitaab unka Maan Syeda Maryam AS kee godh men jo mohjiza tha ..... Uss ka Quran men ziker hay. Unka doosra Khitaab kahool men(burhapay men) hona hay ... jo abhi nahee hua, abhi hona hay ... agar ho chuka hota to mohjizana hota ... uss ka ziker hota Quran men, jese Maan kee godh men tha to uss ka ziker hay. Dono khitaab sath bayan karne ka matlab hee yahee hay kay ye gher mamooli khitaab hen, gher mamooli kalam hen jo Esa AS ne karne thay. Ik ho chuka, doosra hona baqi hay.

Rahee bat ye andaza laganay kee kay jese baqi anbiah RA kay bachay or biwiaah theen, isi tara Esaa AS kay b hongay ... Ye bat darust nahee, jab tak kay aapkay pass is kay saboot na ho. Tamam Anbiah AS kay waliden hay, magar ADAM kay nahee .. exception hen wo. Esa AS kay walid hee nahee thay magar walida theen..... Baqi anbiah kay walid thay or walida b theen ... Wo exception hen, yahee unka mojiza hay. Baqi Anbiah AS kay betay thay jo unkay waris huaye .... magar Nabi SaW ka koi beta nahee raha ... wo exception thay ... Isi tara dekhen ALLAH ne 4 se ziada shadian monineen par harama kee hen ... Magar Nabi SAW ko exception dee.... to arz ye hay kay Quran kee genral statement ko aap specific na bana lia karen. Chayye kay aap mustand saboot den agar unki koi biwi ya bachay thay ???? agar saboot nahee to ye dawa karna ik general statement ki bunyad per darust naheee. Agar unki olaad ka or shadi ka saboot (undeniable) hay to bata den. Quran men to aisa koi ziker nahee ... Balkay tamam Christian record batata hay wo 25 saal ki umar men kooch kar chukay thay ....

Sirf andaza lagane se kuch sabit nahee hoga. Solid daleel chayyee meray bhai.

 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Men ne arz kia na .... Esa AS kay mohjizana khitaab ka ziker hey iss ayat men ... Ik khitaab unka Maan Syeda Maryam AS kee godh men jo mohjiza tha ..... Uss ka Quran men ziker hay. Unka doosra Khitaab kahool men(burhapay men) hona hay ... jo abhi nahee hua, abhi hona hay ... agar ho chuka hota to mohjizana hota ... uss ka ziker hota Quran men, jese Maan kee godh men tha to uss ka ziker hay. Dono khitaab sath bayan karne ka matlab hee yahee hay kay ye gher mamooli khitaab hen, gher mamooli kalam hen jo Esa AS ne karne thay. Ik ho chuka, doosra hona baqi hay.

Rahee bat ye andaza laganay kee kay jese baqi anbiah RA kay bachay or biwiaah theen, isi tara Esaa AS kay b hongay ... Ye bat darust nahee, jab tak kay aapkay pass is kay saboot na ho. Tamam Anbiah AS kay waliden hay, magar ADAM kay nahee .. exception hen wo. Esa AS kay walid hee nahee thay magar walida theen..... Baqi anbiah kay walid thay or walida b theen ... Wo exception hen, yahee unka mojiza hay. Baqi Anbiah AS kay betay thay jo unkay waris huaye .... magar Nabi SaW ka koi beta nahee raha ... wo exception thay ... Isi tara dekhen ALLAH ne 4 se ziada shadian monineen par harama kee hen ... Magar Nabi SAW ko exception dee.... to arz ye hay kay Quran kee genral statement ko aap specific na bana lia karen. Chayye kay aap mustand saboot den agar unki koi biwi ya bachay thay ???? agar saboot nahee to ye dawa karna ik general statement ki bunyad per darust naheee. Agar unki olaad ka or shadi ka saboot (undeniable) hay to bata den. Quran men to aisa koi ziker nahee ... Balkay tamam Christian record batata hay wo 25 saal ki umar men kooch kar chukay thay ....

Sirf andaza lagane se kuch sabit nahee hoga. Solid daleel chayyee meray bhai.
What else do you want? It is a clear evidence from the Quran that prophet issa died.
Read the ayat again.
If you believe that issa was born without father and he did miracles and he will be back than you are no different than a Christian. Don't twist the meaning of the ayat. Use your God given intellect and reasoning to understand the true meaning of the Quran.
 
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drkhan22

Senator (1k+ posts)
What else do you want? It is a clear evidence from the Quran that prophet issa died.
Read the ayat again.
If you believe that issa was born without father and he did miracles and he will be back than you are no different than a Christian. Don't twist the meaning of the ayat. Use your God given intellect and reasoning to understand the true meaning of the Quran.

Well as i said it isnt me saying this. QURAN says that. Esa AS will speak in the craddle while an infant ... then when he is old. Both would be miraculous as we see how he spoke as an infant. So is going to be when he speaks in Kahool ... when old. That is yet to happen as Quran has not mentioned the second speech. Yet to happen and we will all witness.

I need to have a stronger evidence in support of your argument as Quran clearly tells us anither story.

If Esa AS had married n had kids ..... provide evidence ?? A simple n general statement about Anbiah AS doesnot prove anything when we have so many exceptions which i already quoted earlier.

Regarding our belief of Esa coming back .. similarity to christians ..... well that is exactly why he is coming back .... to address christians who deviated from the right path and made him Gods Son. He isnt coming back to teach us a new shareeat .....
Similarly chritians believe in antchrist ... as we do ... they believe is all prophets of Torah .... as we do ... that doesnot make us christians though. So it isnt a strong argument my friend
 
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Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well as i said it isnt me saying this. QURAN says that. Esa AS will speak in the craddle while an infant ... then when he is old. Both would be miraculous as we see how he spoke as an infant. So is going to be when he speaks in Kahool ... when old. That is yet to happen as Quran has not mentioned the second speech. Yet to happen and we will all witness.

I need to have a stronger evidence in support of your argument as Quran clearly tells us anither story.

If Esa AS had married n had kids ..... provide evidence ?? A simple n general statement about Anbiah AS doesnot prove anything when we have so many exceptions which i already quoted earlier.

Regarding our belief of Esa coming back .. similarity to christians ..... well that is exactly why he is coming back .... to address christians who deviated from the right path and made him Gods Son. He isnt coming back to teach us a new shareeat .....
Similarly chritians believe in antchrist ... as we do ... they believe is all prophets of Torah .... as we do ... that doesnot make us christians though. So it isnt a strong argument my friend
Keep waiting i hope he comes back in your life time?
 

drkhan22

Senator (1k+ posts)
Keep waiting i hope he comes back in your life time?


My own understanding is ...... it may be another couple of centuries before we see Dajjal showing up n Esa AS coming back with Mahdi leading the Muslims. But we all agree that these are debateable topics as things are not very clear regarding the end of times.
 

Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
My own understanding is ...... it may be another couple of centuries before we see Dajjal showing up n Esa AS coming back with Mahdi leading the Muslims. But we all agree that these are debateable topics as things are not very clear regarding the end of times.
Only thing clear and authentic is the Quran