Pakistan can not use F16 without American permission

Fat Amigo

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan denies Indian claims it used US F-16 jets to down warplane

US embassy looks into reports incident violated military sale agreements with Islamabad

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The US has said it is trying to find out whether Pakistan used US-built F-16 jets to down an Indian warplane, potentially in violation of trade agreements, as the standoff between the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours showed signs of easing.

The US has said it is trying to find out whether Pakistan used US-built F-16 jets to down an Indian warplane, potentially in violation of trade agreements, as the standoff between the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours showed signs of easing.

Pakistan and India both carried out aerial bombing missions last week, and on Wednesday an Indian pilot was shot down over the disputed region of Kashmir in an incident that sparked fears of a full-blown war.

Pakistan returned the captured Indian pilot on Friday in a high-profile handover that Islamabad touted as a “peace gesture”, but both sides remain on high alert.

At the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border between the two countries in Kashmir, there was relative calm, both armies said on Sunday. Indian security forces said they were carrying out mjor anti-militancy operations on their side of Kashmir and had shot dead two militants.

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Stand-off in Kashmir: ‘Our last hope is that a war will sort this once and for all’

The US embassy in Islamabad said on Sunday it was looking into reports that Pakistan used F-16 jets to shoot down the Indian pilot, a potential violation of Washington’s military sale agreements that limit how Pakistan can use the planes.

“We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information,” an embassy spokesperson said. “We take all allegations of misuse of defence articles very seriously.“

Pakistan has denied using F-16 jets during the dogfight, but it has not specified which planes it used. It assembles Chinese-designed JF-17 fighter jets on its soil.

Pakistan has a long history of buying US military hardware, especially in the years after 2001 when Islamabad was seen as a key partner in the US-led “war on terror”.

Pakistan bought several batches of F-16 planes, built by Lockheed Martin Corp, from Washington before relations soured and the US cut off subsidised sales in 2016.

It is not clear what exactly these so-called “end-user agreements” restrict Pakistan from doing. “The US government does not comment on or confirm pending investigations of this nature,” the US embassy said.

On Thursday, Indian officials displayed to reporters parts of what they called an air-to-air missile that can only be fired from F-16 jets, alleging they were used to bomb its side of the disputed Kashmir border on Wednesday.

A Pakistan military spokesman told reporters on Wednesday that Pakistani jets locked on to Indian targets to demonstrate Pakistan’s capacity to strike back at India, but then chose to fire at an empty field where there would be no casualties.

Pakistan said its mission on Wednesday was in retaliation for India violating its airspace and sovereignty a day earlier, when Indian jets bombed a forest area near the northern city of Balakot.

India said it struck at militant training camps, but Islamabad denied any such camps existed, as did villagers in the area when Reuters visited.

Cross-border shelling in the past few days has killed seven people on the Pakistani side and four on the Indian side of Kashmir, but on Sunday it was relatively quiet.

“By and large the LoC was calm last night but you never know when it will become active again,” said Chaudhry Tariq Farooq, a minister in Pakistani Kashmir. “Tension still prevails.“

In Indian-administered Kashmir on Sunday, troops shot dead two militants after a three-day gun battle that also killed five security force personnel, taking the total death toll to 25 in the past two weeks.

The fresh anti-militancy drive was launched after a Kashmiri member of a Pakistan-based militant group killed 40 Indian paramilitary police in a suicide bombing on 14 February.

The Indian government has come down hard on separatist groups operating in Kashmir, including by banning the Jamaat-e-Islami party, two of whose clerics were detained in raids on Saturday night.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-claims-it-used-us-f-16-jets-to-down-warplane
 
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Fat Amigo

Senator (1k+ posts)
No permission is required, but as per the agreement the F-16's can only be used for defense, not for attack on some other country.

Last week PAF's sortie across LOC into IOK (disputed territory, not Indian airspace) was defensive in nature not offensive.

Pakistan has 85 worthless pieces of metal that can not be used without first dialing Washington D.C.

F16 (18 Million USD each) is a Strike Eagle by its very nature.

Guardian and Reuters are both globally recognized credible independent news sources.
 
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miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Last week PAF's sortie across LOC into IOK (disputed territory, not Indian airspace) was defensive in nature not offensive.

Pakistan has 85 worthless piece of metals that can not be used without dialing Washington D.C.

F16 (18 Million USD each) is a Strike Eagle by its very nature.

ISPR clearly said that F-16 weren't used in the mission, so your above explanation is pointless.

And I think the restriction is not only on Pakistan but on other nations as well. And if we didn't like it, we shouldn't have signed the agreement, but if we did, then we must honor it, unless we want them to change the terms and want to renegotiate with them..
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
Last week PAF's sortie across LOC into IOK (disputed territory, not Indian airspace) was defensive in nature not offensive.

Pakistan has 85 worthless pieces of metal that can not be used without first dialing Washington D.C.

F16 (18 Million USD each) is a Strike Eagle by its very nature.

Guardian and Reuters are both globally recognized credible independent news sources.
well this is so called nature of all american selling weapons deal as per some congress approved defense purpose treaty which forces its govt to sell to countries that it should be of "defense" nature & same preemptive "defense" tactics is used by Israel, KSA & UAE to use US war ammunition outside its boundaries for an aggression against the opponents.

Now it depends how pakistan used its narrative and current US position in afghanistan force US to comply with pakistan version!!!!
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Pakistan has said that it did not use F-16 in this operation. Assuming that it did, and in that case it was used in the IOK which is not an Indian territory but considered by UN resolutions and by US as disputed territory.
 

T-i-g-e-r

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan dont give a fuck what usa say we will do whatever suits us we fucked india we will fuck india we will keep fucking india for the rest of their life
who wants to fly their 1989 manufactured lifeless .. alhamdulilah we have our own brand new joint strike fighter 17 ,allah tera shukar
 

T-i-g-e-r

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan has said that it did not use F-16 in this operation. Assuming that it did, and in that case it was used in the IOK which is not an Indian territory but considered by UN resolutions and by US as disputed territory.
why would we use 40 year old lifeless jet in such a critical situation
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Microsoft in its report yesterday said that India tops the world for creating fake and fabricated stories. Chanakya is well and alive in India after 2500 years.
 

Fat Amigo

Senator (1k+ posts)
Air marshal R shahid told in show. We can use f16 anywhere when ever we need

Air marshal R shahid latif was refused promotion pending corruption charges.

He is a well known Officer with quite a murky and tainted past.

However, after joining Dr. Tahir ul Qadri, shahid latif has been given a "cousin" status by many visitors on this forum.

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/thread...rruption-of-air-marshal-shahid-lateef.516594/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/air-marshall-shahid-lateef-in-dubai-leaks.429431/
https://lubpak.net/archives/1121
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...ion-in-islamabad-airport-project-senate-told/
 

Fat Amigo

Senator (1k+ posts)
According to ISPR, F-16s were not used in this campaign.


I really hope so.
But TRUTH record of ISPR is not that golden keeping in view its task objective.

This, only few hours ago:


An Indian Air Force pilot found himself in a dogfight last week with a warplane from the Pakistani Air Force, and ended up a prisoner behind enemy lines for a brief time.

Indian officials say Pakistan used one of its F-16 fighter jets to down its MiG-21 last week. Islamabad rejected the claim, but on Sunday the American Embassy in Islamabad said the United States was looking into the report. The offensive use of an F-16 warplane against its neighbor might have been a violation of the sales agreement.

“We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information,” the embassy said in a statement. “We take all allegations of misuse of defense articles very seriously.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html
 
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Sonya Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Fat Amigo.... US doesn’t need a WEEK to verify....above statement actually means...... ‘India you r lying but to give u a little saving face we will not outrightly reject another of your lie ..... we r giving u time to recover from the bloodied nose’ .............
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I really hope so.
But TRUTH record of ISPR is not that golden keeping in view its task objective.

This, only few hours ago:


An Indian Air Force pilot found himself in a dogfight last week with a warplane from the Pakistani Air Force, and ended up a prisoner behind enemy lines for a brief time.

Indian officials say Pakistan used one of its F-16 fighter jets to down its MiG-21 last week. Islamabad rejected the claim, but on Sunday the American Embassy in Islamabad said the United States was looking into the report. The offensive use of an F-16 warplane against its neighbor might have been a violation of the sales agreement.

“We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information,” the embassy said in a statement. “We take all allegations of misuse of defense articles very seriously.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html
"Looking into" reports of alleged use of F-16 does not mean that any F-16 actually crossed into India's international border. The IOK is a disputed territory and not part of India (even by Indian constitution).
 

smartmax1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan denies Indian claims it used US F-16 jets to down warplane

US embassy looks into reports incident violated military sale agreements with Islamabad

5576.jpg


The US has said it is trying to find out whether Pakistan used US-built F-16 jets to down an Indian warplane, potentially in violation of trade agreements, as the standoff between the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours showed signs of easing.

The US has said it is trying to find out whether Pakistan used US-built F-16 jets to down an Indian warplane, potentially in violation of trade agreements, as the standoff between the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours showed signs of easing.

Pakistan and India both carried out aerial bombing missions last week, and on Wednesday an Indian pilot was shot down over the disputed region of Kashmir in an incident that sparked fears of a full-blown war.

Pakistan returned the captured Indian pilot on Friday in a high-profile handover that Islamabad touted as a “peace gesture”, but both sides remain on high alert.

At the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border between the two countries in Kashmir, there was relative calm, both armies said on Sunday. Indian security forces said they were carrying out mjor anti-militancy operations on their side of Kashmir and had shot dead two militants.

4937.jpg


Stand-off in Kashmir: ‘Our last hope is that a war will sort this once and for all’

The US embassy in Islamabad said on Sunday it was looking into reports that Pakistan used F-16 jets to shoot down the Indian pilot, a potential violation of Washington’s military sale agreements that limit how Pakistan can use the planes.

“We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information,” an embassy spokesperson said. “We take all allegations of misuse of defence articles very seriously.“

Pakistan has denied using F-16 jets during the dogfight, but it has not specified which planes it used. It assembles Chinese-designed JF-17 fighter jets on its soil.

Pakistan has a long history of buying US military hardware, especially in the years after 2001 when Islamabad was seen as a key partner in the US-led “war on terror”.

Pakistan bought several batches of F-16 planes, built by Lockheed Martin Corp, from Washington before relations soured and the US cut off subsidised sales in 2016.

It is not clear what exactly these so-called “end-user agreements” restrict Pakistan from doing. “The US government does not comment on or confirm pending investigations of this nature,” the US embassy said.

On Thursday, Indian officials displayed to reporters parts of what they called an air-to-air missile that can only be fired from F-16 jets, alleging they were used to bomb its side of the disputed Kashmir border on Wednesday.

A Pakistan military spokesman told reporters on Wednesday that Pakistani jets locked on to Indian targets to demonstrate Pakistan’s capacity to strike back at India, but then chose to fire at an empty field where there would be no casualties.

Pakistan said its mission on Wednesday was in retaliation for India violating its airspace and sovereignty a day earlier, when Indian jets bombed a forest area near the northern city of Balakot.

India said it struck at militant training camps, but Islamabad denied any such camps existed, as did villagers in the area when Reuters visited.

Cross-border shelling in the past few days has killed seven people on the Pakistani side and four on the Indian side of Kashmir, but on Sunday it was relatively quiet.

“By and large the LoC was calm last night but you never know when it will become active again,” said Chaudhry Tariq Farooq, a minister in Pakistani Kashmir. “Tension still prevails.“

In Indian-administered Kashmir on Sunday, troops shot dead two militants after a three-day gun battle that also killed five security force personnel, taking the total death toll to 25 in the past two weeks.

The fresh anti-militancy drive was launched after a Kashmiri member of a Pakistan-based militant group killed 40 Indian paramilitary police in a suicide bombing on 14 February.

The Indian government has come down hard on separatist groups operating in Kashmir, including by banning the Jamaat-e-Islami party, two of whose clerics were detained in raids on Saturday night.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-claims-it-used-us-f-16-jets-to-down-warplane

FAT AMIGO IS ALWAYS A FAT PIG. AND HE WILL ALWAYS DO SO.,
be loyal to your country first.
in war situations u think pakistan have to wait for permissions. butt shit.
 

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