Musharraf still getting protocol in London

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Musharraf still getting protocol in London

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Wednesday, August 05, 2009

By Muhammad Ahmad Noorani

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan High Commission (HC) in London has been directed by Islamabad to give former dictator General (retd) Pervez Musharraf full protocol of ex-president during his stay in London, Pakistans High Commissioner to the UK Wajid Sham-ul-Hassan told The News.

We are bound to act in line with the directions of Islamabad and we have been formally directed by the Foreign Office that Pervez Musharraf should be given the protocol of an ex-president, which we are giving to him, said the high commissioner.

Wajid said the HC used to send a protocol car and a protocol officer to receive and see off Musharraf whenever he arrived or left the UK. He said they also arranged for a VIP lounge for Musharraf but the money was paid by the ex-dictator.

General Musharraf also has at his disposal the services of, at least, 12 regular officers of the Pakistan Army for his security in London, sources in the HC told The News.

A 12-member team of Pakistan Armys regular officers is deputed at Musharrafs luxurious residence situated on the Edgware Road, London, for his security and for providing him daily services. According to sources, this team is being paid a huge amount per month from the national exchequer.

Former chief of the Army staff (COAS) Mirza Aslam Beg, while talking to this correspondent, said that according to the rules and regulations of the Pakistan Army, no such protocol was permissible for an ex-Army chief. Beg disclosed that some years back there was some rule of providing a batman, a PS, a driver and an Army telephone to an Army chief on his retirement. But Benazir Bhutto, during her second tenure as prime minister, had ordered the then COAS Jahangir Karamat to withdraw these facilities from me, Beg said, adding: This rule of providing no facility to an ex-Army chief made on the orders of Benazir Bhutto still prevails.

Beg said no Jawan or officer of the Pakistan Army could be deputed with an Army chief after his retirement for security purposes. Provision of such a facility in a foreign country is simply out of the question. Beg, however, held the present government responsible for this, saying the Army chief on his own could not do so.

Spokesman for the Pakistan Army and DG ISPR Major General Athar Abbas, while talking to The News, however, refuted Mirza Aslam Begs view, saying according to rules, certain number of staff was deputed with an ex-Army chief.

I am not sure for what duration this staff can remain with an ex-Army chief, Athar Abbas said when asked whether this staff had been deputed with Musharraf for some limited time. I will not say more than this, he said when asked whether according to these rules the staff deputed with an ex Army chief was also allowed to move to other countries if the ex-Army chief opted to leave the country.

Musharrafs ex-spokesman Maj-Gen (retd) Rashid Qureshi, who returned to Pakistan recently after meeting his ex-boss in London, when approached by The News to confirm the information simply lost his temper. Everybody has seen your bias and prejudice. No one likes to talk to you. This correspondent failed to understand what he was referring to me, my newspaper, my group or the entire media.

A new self-styled spokesman of Musharraf, Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif, when approached in London for comments, said: Yes, there are some Army officials deputed with Musharraf but according to my knowledge some of them have resigned from their Army positions.

Saif, however, admitted that this 12-member team was headed by a serving Colonel, Ilyas, of the Pakistan Army. When asked whether according to rules Musharraf, as an ex-Army chief, could have such a protocol, Saif replied that this question should be put to the Pakistan Army.

To a question, Saif said that if an unbiased commission or tribunal was formed for the trial of General Musharraf under the Article-6, the ex-general could appear before it. He said Musharraf was going to the US in early September for delivering lectures and would be free by mid-October. He said he had also received invitations from some South American countries, including Brazil. He said after that, Musharraf would think about returning to Pakistan.

Wajid Sham-ul-Hassan also confirmed to The News that Colonel Ilyas interacted with the HC for matters regarding Musharraf. I dont know how many Army officials have been appointed at Musharrafs residence, he said.

 

[mehwish_ali]

1. These Musharraf Haters forget that he was not only Chief of Army, but he was also a President of Pakistan, and this Securtiy is more as President of Pakistan rather than Chief of Army.

So, these people should also make it clear if ex-President gets any Security or not. For sure US ex-Presidents get enough of Security.


2. And secondly the "Situation ?????" have been changed. Even if earlier there was no such Security Protocol available, even then it should be changed in present situation.

Things are very clear, earlier there were hardly any Suicide Bombers, but now we have BULKs of Religious Fanatics who are ready to do every kind of suicide bombings and attacks. The Risk to life of President Musharraf is much much more than any earlier President (and even during his service there were many bombing attempts upon his life)

3. Benazir (Prime Minister) took some facilities back from Aslam Baig through one Telephone call (or what ever). Why then the New Prime Minister not allowed to increase the Security Level of ex- President if his life is really in Danger?


Things are very clear. There is no Limits to hatred and Satanic Actions of these fanatics who desire from the depth of their hearts that some fanatic Suicide bomber attack Musharraf and kill him.

May Allah save and protect the life of Great President Musharraf. Amin.

 

[armani]

Zainbia...!
You seem to be from the US. If you have ever experienced the visit of any govt dignity to your school or town you should have an idea of how things RUN while they are on the visit . And I wish you get the experience of how things STOP when dignities pass by in Pakistan. Anyways that is not something of much importance. However, you prayed and wished a long life for GREAT LEADER Musharraf. I don't have any problem with you or anyone praying for anybody else but please do not call him a great leader.
Countries and nations do not suffer like Pakistani nation after 9 years regime of a great leader.If you are aware of the US history and or any other nation where a great leader leads for few years, things get better drastically. They do not go worse. If there are not great changes at least there are directions for great changes. The standered of life gets better of every citizen. People feel a better change economically, socially and culturally. There comes an era of progress and hope for bright tomorrow.
Tell me where my nation is heading after 9 years of his regime? You might blame other factors for it but he was the one leading. He was the one making every decision. He was the chief of army staff. He was the president. He was the chief of staff. He was even himself the chief justice, the prime minister, the Upper house and the lower. Why would you blame other factors for the debacle of this helpless nation. Great leaders just being president do the job not for the nation living but generations following. He claimed and attained every power himself but still brought us to destruction. If you wont agree with me on this term of destruction then we both have different planets of living. Baluchistan is on war, I call it destruction. FATA is burning, I call it destruction. NWFP is at war, I call it destruction. Economy is dead, I call it destruction. There is no light, no water, no gas, no food for citizens, I call it destruction. Inflation has been on light speed rate, I call it destruction. There is no life security. You are afraid of even going to a mosque, forget about a restaurant, I call it destruction.What else can you do to destroy a nation? Who else want you me to blame? This all happened in his regime and is happeing because of his actions.
If he was a great leader he would have been suffering with 170 million people today on the land where he ruled for 9 years. List me the names of great leaders who have ran away from their countries after their great leadership. All you will find are dictators, traitors and losers.
For a moment think about the whole nation not personal favors for any reason. If you still think he was a great leader then I am certain we have different planets of residency.
May Allah punish the cruels and traitors.
Amen.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

1. These Musharraf Haters forget that he was not only Chief of Army, but he was also a President of Pakistan, and this Securtiy is more as President of Pakistan rather than Chief of Army.

So, these people should also make it clear if ex-President gets any Security or not. For sure US ex-Presidents get enough of Security.


2. And secondly the "Situation ?????" have been changed. Even if earlier there was no such Security Protocol available, even then it should be changed in present situation.

Things are very clear, earlier there were hardly any Suicide Bombers, but now we have BULKs of Religious Fanatics who are ready to do every kind of suicide bombings and attacks. The Risk to life of President Musharraf is much much more than any earlier President (and even during his service there were many bombing attempts upon his life)

3. Benazir (Prime Minister) took some facilities back from Aslam Baig through one Telephone call (or what ever). Why then the New Prime Minister not allowed to increase the Security Level of ex- President if his life is really in Danger?


Things are very clear. There is no Limits to hatred and Satanic Actions of these fanatics who desire from the depth of their hearts that some fanatic Suicide bomber attack Musharraf and kill him.

May Allah save and protect the life of Great President Musharraf. Amin.

I don't have words to describe the apathy of those who still praise this sob sitting in London and enjoy the night life while Pakistanis day and night struggle to meet the ends. They are nothing more than a mouth piece of Musharraf and they intend to imposed this theif back in to the people of Pakistan. This dictator has just been declared breaking the constitution,imposing his own judges. destoy the rule of law in Pakistan, Signed the Nro under foreign guarantees for himself and withdrawing the corruption charges after spending millions on investigation.This sucker doesn't have nerve to come and face the courts in Pakistan.Yet, his is getting a protocol officer, and team of security personnels from the present army officials and the Governemnt of Pakistan still paying for these expense.But then you have those who defend him no matter what happen.These are those who don't see with their eyes and have no wisdom and don't accept facts.These are those who always praise the dark forces and bet on them. These are those who wants to see the whole nation slave to dictators. these are those who want to keep eveyone in Pakistan slave of army dictators.I don't have words to decribe these elements but I know one when I see it and Iam seeing one on this forum right now.

 

[virgin`]

I am working at a store on edgeware road where all the curropt people come for shopping with the money dey looted from pakistan....Musharaf is living on edgeware road in a posh and expensive aprtment and he does have an Army office of the colonel rank on his security who comes to our store asking for fresh baked naans (roti) and he is been paid by the Pakistani government from the Poor peoples tax money.....He is also enjoying the protocol by the Pak army and the British Government ...he seldom comes out coZ afraid of facing the Pakistanis..........

 

[mehwish_ali]

by Qasim:
I don't have words to describe the apathy of those who still praise this sob sitting in London

Watch out your language Mr.

What if some one uses same words for your father?

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Brother Armani,

May I ask you to please you stop coming up with all these allegations which are answered again and again. You have the right to differ, but you don't have the right to distract the Topic by bringing non- related Issues in this Particular thread whose topic is: "If President Musharraf needs Security from the Blood thirsty Suicide Bombers?"

None of you even touched this Issue which is unfortunate.

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Brother Virgin,

Why are you angry upon the Security of Musharraf Sahib?

Do you realise in one Line you are abusing Musharraf Sahib for having this Security, and on the other line you are yourself writing: "...he (Musharraf) seldom comes out coZ afraid of facing the Pakistanis.........."

You see, this part of QAUM has gone to the level of animals and producing blood thirsty Suicide bombers and killers and those who believe in MOB beating of those whom they dislike.

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The Great Chinese Nation has given the biggest Slap to people like Lord Nazir and Hamid Mir and all haters of Musharraf.

Pakistans Friends Roll Out The Red Carpet For A Pakistani Nationalist Statesman


Throughout his trip in China, former President Musharraf was accorded head of state protocol and extensive security. In-between lectures, he was invited to several banquets by various provincial governors and senior Chinese Communist Party officials. He continues to be very popular among the Chinese younger generation.

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Beijing, ChinaFormer President of Pakistan, Gen. (R) Pervez Musharraf continued his international lecture tour with several engagements in key Chinese cities.
For this tour in China, the former President was invited by the government of China, through the Chinese Peoples Institute of Foreign Affairs (CPIFA).
His first lecture was in Beijing to CPIFA, attended by many Chinese Ambassadors, experts on South Asia, and graduate students. The former Presidents lecture focused on the deep relationship between Pakistan and China, and an in-depth analysis of regional issues including Afghanistan, India, terrorism and extremism. The former President stressed the need for closer global cooperation to defeat terrorism and extremism, and a more proactive role for China.

His next lecture was in Shanghai, with the prestigious Shanghai Institute for International Studies. The President addressed Chinese experts on South Asia, Asia Pacific, and the United States. This exclusive lecture was to the top intellectuals and think tank strategists from China. The discussion following the lecture focused on Pak-China relationship, terrorism and extremism, and the potential to increase the Sino-Pak economic cooperation. In the question and answer session, the Chinese intellectuals were keen to know the former Presidents view on the new American AfPak strategy. The President broadly endorsed the strategy, as it is the continuation of the past. However, he said this new strategy remains incomplete without India, and the resolution of the Kashmir dispute. India was excluded by President Obama from this new strategy after heavy lobbying from the Indian-American community

The former Presidents final stop was at Sichuan University in Chengdu where he addressed several hundred students and faculty. His speech was an overview of the historic relationship between Pakistan and China, an overview of the Pakistan-Afghanistan region, and the impact of the global economic crisis on the developing world. After the speech there was an exciting interaction between the students and the former President.

To one students question on deepening the Pakistan-China relationship, the former President spoke of his vision to expand the Karakorum Highway (KKH) to include rail links, oil and gas pipelines, and a new fiber optic cable link. He suggested that not only should Pakistan do the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline (IPI), but also an IPC, Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline for gas and oil.


The students were also very interested to learn from the President his insights into developing moral character and leadership skills.


Throughout his trip in China, former President Musharraf was accorded head of state protocol and extensive security. In-between lectures, he was invited to several banquets by various provincial governors and senior Chinese Communist Party officials. At each venue the former President expressed his appreciation for the warm reception, and the sense of admiration shown by all strata of Chinese, whether it was in meetings at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, or in the streets of Shanghai.


The former President has a relatively full schedule of speaking engagements for the rest of the year, most likely taking him to Europe and North America in the coming months.

Not even the sitting President Zardari gets such Protocol. This is our Great Leader Musharraf.

I always saw Benazir, Nawaz and all other leaders kept on bad mouthing Pakistan when not in government. But it is only Musharraf who is always protecting the Interests of Pakistan.

 

[MileStone]

Jalnay Waley Jala Karein. Musharraf does not care about these whining morons. He was an Army Chief, President and he even put his life on the line for Pakistan on several occasions.
What these bloody politicians has done till now for Pakistan [nawaz] [shahbaz sharif] [zardari] . When they come in the government, their first aim to loot as much money as they can and even then they take that looted money outside Pakistan. Why do you think, that these corrupt politicians don't stop taking dictation from west. Reason is that all their bank balance is in those countries and if they wont listen to their western friend, their accounts will be frozen.

 

[abbasiali]

1
May Allah save and protect the life of Great President Musharraf. Amin.

Dear ZAINAB
If we don't hate PM then whom you suggest. He is availing best perks after the job, why, is every X-PRESIDENT and army chief is entitle for same and availing?

we have list of hatred people like [zardari] [nawaz] [rasheed] [altaf] [fazl] [rehman-malik] etc.

But why [musharaf] is on the top of list, We actually experience the perception of one picture from different angles, (Correct)

I believe when you talk and protect PM , you simply ignore, Destruction of Pakistani CONSTITUTION not once but TWICE. (Correct) Violation of basic and fundamental right of Pakistani Citizens. (Correct)

Now I will make it short for every one, because every single person in or against favor of PM knew the facts,

We only look towards our self and would like to bring him to the justice, because if this would not happen, then the current corrupt leadership will find it more simple and easy to escape after looting the remains, and I am sure you wouldn't like to be fooled again and again, this should to an end.

I don't know why I have very strong feeling that VIRGIN cant be BROTHER ( [pk flag] )

One issue on which we all are united and that is to work for united Pakistan.

My only request is if you pray, then for all, may allah protect [zardari] [nawaz] [altaf] [fazl] [rehman-malik] [taseer] along with [musharaf] and we should remain their personal and private property for ever. (Can you request Almighty Allah for this pray?)

Regards

 

[mehwish_ali]

1
May Allah save and protect the life of Great President Musharraf. Amin.

Dear ZAINAB
If we don't hate PM then whom you suggest. He is availing best perks after the job, why, is every X-PRESIDENT and army chief is entitle for same and availing?

we have list of hatred people like [zardari] [nawaz] [rasheed] [altaf] [fazl] [rehman-malik] etc.

But why [musharaf] is on the top of list, We actually experience the perception of one picture from different angles, (Correct)

I believe when you talk and protect PM , you simply ignore, Destruction of Pakistani CONSTITUTION not once but TWICE. (Correct) Violation of basic and fundamental right of Pakistani Citizens. (Correct)

Now I will make it short for every one, because every single person in or against favor of PM knew the facts,

We only look towards our self and would like to bring him to the justice, because if this would not happen, then the current corrupt leadership will find it more simple and easy to escape after looting the remains, and I am sure you wouldn't like to be fooled again and again, this should to an end.

I don't know why I have very strong feeling that VIRGIN cant be BROTHER ( [pk flag] )

One issue on which we all are united and that is to work for united Pakistan.

My only request is if you pray, then for all, may allah protect [zardari] [nawaz] [altaf] [fazl] [rehman-malik] [taseer] along with [musharaf] and we should remain their personal and private property for ever. (Can you request Almighty Allah for this pray?)

Regards

1) Off course, none of them should be killed in Suicide Bombing by any Fanatics and may Allah save all of them from this. Amin.

Hope it is clear enough.

And the Leaders of ANP have already been killed on regular bases by Taliban. And I all that time wished them more security and Protection (even I am against ANP).

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2) Constitution of Pakistan is not Holy Quran which could not be altered during extreme situations.(sorry to Zardari for using his words)

The memories of People of Pakistan are very weak. They forget so easily what was the situation in Pakistan during Nawaz time. Whole Nation (including Imran Nazir, Qazi, PPP) wanted to get rid of Nawaz Sharif.

Brother Abbasi, Could you deny this Fact that Musharraf got the Majority support of Pakistanies at that time to bring Nawaz out of Power?

I don't know what else is then Democracy.

Then we saw this same majority at times of first elections.


3) Musharraf did a lot for Pakistan and so called Democracy or so called free Media as compared to any other Ruler of Pakistan.
I don't agree with those a bit who blame him to be a Dictator.

4) Unfortunately the Nation is indulge in crying Modus. They cry upon each and every thing.

Unfortunately, the nation has lost the TAMEEZ of who is the BEST for Pakistan (or vise versa, who is the least Evil for Pakistan). Thus they removed Musharraf and installed Zardari, and this is the biggest sign of Jahalah of this nation. Next time they get rid of Zardari, and then install Nawaz once again (sadly they forget the times of 1990s of Nawaz Government).

 

[abbasiali]

1
May Allah save and protect the life of Great President Musharraf. Amin.

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Dear ZAINAB,
You prayed for them Alhamdulilah, but you didn't mention anything, except suicide bombing, well I believe, every one have their day, and the way they behave to Pakistani Nation, they will face accordingly, but you have not answer my Question whether you would like to pray for for them, to live long life and keep us Pakistani, as their private and personal property, (did you, no you have not, and I am sure you will never reply to this in particular, thats the way of escaping from facts unfortunately, and the worst scenario is our educated learned citizens are behavior).

You are very right, JAHALAT is present very much in our Pakistani Nation, who thought army dictator is better than Democratic leadership, thats real unfortunate, but now time has come and I assure you, me and you are the ones, who will stop this illiteracy, we have to work together against this fascism, today one particular and very small limited genetary is talking in favor of PM, If they are so much in favor, they should come on the streets of whole Pakistan against judiciary and paralyze the whole system in favor of PM. You think someone have courage for this, no way, This downloading and installation of Army dictator ship and so called democracy will now come to an end. Time has start, and things are happening though these are slow, but it is happening, system in getting in place, and these people are now knew, what is going to happen to them,

In my opinion this accountability has to start from the first Marshal law and dictators has to be hanged as per the law, dead or alive, this is important for the future of your and mine coming generations.

Don't you think we have to bring our basic fundamental human rights forward, and read them thoroughly, and then evaluate, who actually have done better for us.

Let me remind you, Its not Musharaf who got the support against Nawaz Sharif, Ayub Khan and Ziaulhaq were also same popular the way Musharaf become, but again can you deny the truth, they all broke constitution of Pakistan and only and only on this crime aren't they legible for the strictest punishment as per the law?

I am agree with you, we as Pakistani Nation are really not aware of a fact and that is the meaning of democracy, Its quite understandable, if Pakistani Citizen will become aware of the meaning of Democracy, where these corrupt feudal politician and Generals will find their future.

I will really say thanks to you for your participation in this healthy conversation, But I would really like to know from you, and please answer exactly the question which I am asking you, What FIVE basic fundamental human rights have you enjoyed in the tenure of PERVAIZ MUSHARRAF.

Regards

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

by Qasim:
I don't have words to describe the apathy of those who still praise this sob sitting in London

Watch out your language Mr.

What if some one uses same words for your father?

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I see....... Is Musharraf your father ???????? No wonder you crying out loud on his dissmisal......Thank God we got rid of this freak...

 

[abbasiali]

by Qasim:
I don't have words to describe the apathy of those who still praise this sob sitting in London

Watch out your language Mr.

What if some one uses same words for your father?

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I see....... Is Musharraf your father ???????? No wonder you crying out loud on his dissmisal......Thank God we got rid of this freak...

Hey Brother Qasim,
Please do not reflect any conflict from you side, I know she couldn't bear your remark, but still we have to behave more like Pakistani gentlemen. You are a thorough gentleman, and Personally would like to request you to delete these remarks,

Regards

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Brother Abbasiali:

The word I used for Musharraf was a repeatation of Kassinger's words when he was describing the tinpot dictator of the African Banana Republic.Whe some one told him about the dictator and his conflicting actions , Kassinger replied " I know he is a son of a bitch, But he is our son of a bitch" Under this background I used that word for Musharraf.It seemed that she couldn't tolerate the fact that Musharraf was still a dictator and Amercian normally call their stoogies with this name. My reply only addressed the later part of her comments when she attacked me personally.I still didn't call her the daughter of a Dictator,Instead it was just an honest question which I asked.Assuming that her constant humming and abusing anyone who didn't like Dictator Musharraf, reflects her personal attachment to Musharraf, I only felt compelled to share the sorrow she is caring for the kicking of the dictator. If you think I crossed any line, My appology for those who got hurt with my words.

 

[abbasiali]

Brother Abbasiali:

The word I used for Musharraf was a repeatation of Kassinger's words when he was describing the tinpot dictator of the African Banana Republic.Whe some one told him about the dictator and his conflicting actions , Kassinger replied " I know he is a son of a bitch, But he is our son of a bitch" Under this background I used that word for Musharraf.It seemed that she couldn't tolerate the fact that Musharraf was still a dictator and Amercian normally call their stoogies with this name. My reply only addressed the later part of her comments when she attacked me personally.I still didn't call her the daughter of a Dictator,Instead it was just an honest question which I asked.Assuming that her constant humming and abusing anyone who didn't like Dictator Musharraf, reflects her personal attachment to Musharraf, I only felt compelled to share the sorrow she is caring for the kicking of the dictator. If you think I crossed any line, My appology for those who got hurt with my words.

Dear Bother Qasim,

I do understand your feeling, and her over react, but being a gentleman we can still avoid further rude language, and I know, you can tolerate and ignore from your side. and I am sure she will also realize her aggression, as you know never reply or quote her at any stage. I found her a softly spoken gentle lady. Who have idea's to talk. Good or bad but need to be ignorant, even if we get aggression, we can point them out our concern more politely.

Regards.

 

[mehwish_ali]

By Abbasi Ali:
In my opinion this accountability has to start from the first Marshal law and dictators has to be hanged as per the law, dead or alive, this is important for the future of your and mine coming generations.

Easy said than done.

I already gave the message that Today we are watching PCO 1 Judges Vs PCO 2 Judges fight.

Before going in Far Past, the question would arise about Near Past, i.e.:

- Iftikhar Chaudhry and all PCO 1 Judges should also be hanged for they were also included in this Crime

- Parliament which ran Under Musharraf and elected him as President should also be hanged.

- All the People, who were dancing when Nawaz Gov. was ended and Musharraf came, they should also be hanged.


The main difference between us is this that we never took the Democratic System of Pakistan as Divine but we wanted this Democratic System in order to serve Pakistan better (which it didn't). This system was for Pakistan, and not Pakistan was there for this Democratic System.

We wanted this system to provide Pakistan with the best Possible Leader. But it provided us the corrupt leaders like Zardari and Nawaz and all types of Wadayray and Jageerdars only. When Luckily we got a much Better Leader from another Channel, then there is no Harm in uniting under this leader and work for Pakistan.

Brother Abbassi,

You are today saying bad to people who were dancing at time of arrival of Musharraf. But let me remind you had NS stayed in Power any more, then Pakistan was certainly going towards Bank Corrupt. What we had done of this System without Pakistan?

(Remember when Musharraf came there were only 300 Million Dollars in Foreign Exchange and after first 3 Years of Musharraf it went to 3 Billion Dollars and all that happened without US Aid which started only after 11th September)

Any how, this is a long Debate.

Regarding Topic, I would only like to say that our Nation has been turned into MOB Beating and Suicide bombing Nation by Extremists. And if Security is provided to Musharraf Sahib, then there is no point to cry over it (better to cry over the state of Nation where it has drowned to level of animals by doing Mob beating and suicide bombing like things)

Regarding praying for other leaders Issue is non-relative and I am sorry I am not going to indulge in it any more.

Regards.

 

[mehwish_ali]

Brother Abbasiali:

The word I used for Musharraf was a repeatation of Kassinger's words when he was describing the tinpot dictator of the African Banana Republic.Whe some one told him about the dictator and his conflicting actions , Kassinger replied " I know he is a son of a bitch, But he is our son of a bitch" Under this background I used that word for Musharraf.It seemed that she couldn't tolerate the fact that Musharraf was still a dictator and Amercian normally call their stoogies with this name. My reply only addressed the later part of her comments when she attacked me personally.I still didn't call her the daughter of a Dictator,Instead it was just an honest question which I asked.Assuming that her constant humming and abusing anyone who didn't like Dictator Musharraf, reflects her personal attachment to Musharraf, I only felt compelled to share the sorrow she is caring for the kicking of the dictator. If you think I crossed any line, My appology for those who got hurt with my words.

Follow the Sunnah of Rasool Allah (saw).

Don't follow the Sunnah of Henry Kessinger.

If you still like to follow the Sunnah of Henry Kessinger, then plz. go and call Mullah Umar of Afghanistan and Taliban of Afghanistan as SOB, but YOUR Own SOB blah blah blah.

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[pakistan first]

by zainabia
I already gave the message that Today we are watching PCO 1 Judges Vs PCO 2 Judges fight.

Before going in Far Past, the question would arise about Near Past, i.e.:

- Iftikhar Chaudhry and all PCO 1 Judges should also be hanged for they were also included in this Crime

- Parliament which ran Under Musharraf and elected him as President should also be hanged.

- All the People, who were dancing when Nawaz Gov. was ended and Musharraf came, they should also be hanged.


The main difference between us is this that we never took the Democratic System of Pakistan as Divine but we wanted this Democratic System in order to serve Pakistan better (which it didn't). This system was for Pakistan, and not Pakistan was there for this Democratic System.

Very well said, Zaianbia.

We wanted this system to provide Pakistan with the best Possible Leader. But it provided us the corrupt leaders like Zardari and Nawaz and all types of Wadayray and Jageerdars only. When Luckily we got a much Better Leader from another Channel, then there is no Harm in uniting under this leader and work for Pakistan.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Brother Abbasiali:

The word I used for Musharraf was a repeatation of Kassinger's words when he was describing the tinpot dictator of the African Banana Republic.Whe some one told him about the dictator and his conflicting actions , Kassinger replied " I know he is a son of a bitch, But he is our son of a bitch" Under this background I used that word for Musharraf.It seemed that she couldn't tolerate the fact that Musharraf was still a dictator and Amercian normally call their stoogies with this name. My reply only addressed the later part of her comments when she attacked me personally.I still didn't call her the daughter of a Dictator,Instead it was just an honest question which I asked.Assuming that her constant humming and abusing anyone who didn't like Dictator Musharraf, reflects her personal attachment to Musharraf, I only felt compelled to share the sorrow she is caring for the kicking of the dictator. If you think I crossed any line, My appology for those who got hurt with my words.

Follow the Sunnah of Rasool Allah (saw).

Don't follow the Sunnah of Henry Kessinger.

If you still like to follow the Sunnah of Henry Kessinger, then plz. go and call Mullah Umar of Afghanistan and Taliban of Afghanistan as SOB, but YOUR Own SOB blah blah blah.

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Is your beloved Musharraf following the sunnah of Rasool Allah ? He is the slave who is given a house on the farm. Don't talk about sunnah of our beloved Rasool when you praise a person who is famous for his night life and alcohol. For him ,the word of his masters in washington is more suitable than the sunnah of our rasool.

 

[Spartacus]

Musharraf still getting protocol in London >>>>>>Allah Jis Ko Chahay Izzat Day >>>Hum Aoor Tum Koon Hain Us Kay Kaam Main Rukawat Dalnay Walay >>>>

Jeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Musharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraf

It is look like some people want to kill Musharraf and because of his tight security they are not able to do this and that is why they are crying here and there .
Roootay Rahooo Rotay Rahooooo >>>> Hukumat Bhi Mil Gayeee Phir Bhi Rooootay Rahoooo >>>>
Allah Tum Ko Aoor Rulayee Ga >>>

 

[abbasiali]

By Abbasi Ali:
In my opinion this accountability has to start from the first Marshal law and dictators has to be hanged as per the law, dead or alive, this is important for the future of your and mine coming generations.

Dear SIS Zainab,

I am totally agree with you, everything you said, is acceptable, A - Z

Thanks for the whole healthy conversation, unfortunately, its not only you, its every one, who could not answer my Questions, What I feel, that we don't have flexibility, to face the truth, I am a very simply common Pakistani, my sufferings are infinity, but just for change, when I see, loyalist like you, I repeat my questions, and I am very habitual of have every thing left & right, except my required answer, which actually I always look forward, though its true fact our people are not aware of meaning of basic fundamental rights, so how they can reply my question? including your self.

Once again thanks.

Regards.