Is cricket the new field hockey for Pakistan?

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
As a very young student while my class fellows and I awaited for the start of early morning assembly at my school, I remember making fun of the skinny legs of the Pakistani hockey players as compared to the Germans. That was the start of the end of Pakistani hockey. Needless to say the reason of Pakistani defeat was not the relatively bigger bodies of the Europeans but their hunger for the victory.

Is the Sydney test defeat a same moment for the Pakistani cricket?

It is very probable that cricket will become the next hockey of Pakistan, unless radical changes are implemented. I hope that I am wrong.

A morale defeat of an athletic unit has more lasting effects than a physical one.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
sher_khan said:
As a very young student while my class fellows and I awaited for the start of early morning assembly at my school, I remember making fun of the skinny legs of the Pakistani hockey players as compared to the Germans. That was the start of the end of Pakistani hockey. Needless to say the reason of Pakistani defeat was not the relatively bigger bodies of the Europeans but their hunger for the victory.

Is the Sydney test defeat a same moment for the Pakistani cricket?

It is very probable that cricket will become the next hockey of Pakistan, unless radical changes are implemented. I hope that I am wrong.

A morale defeat of an athletic unit has more lasting effects than a physical one.




yaar tum logon ney sports ko apna mata-e-zindagi banaya hua hai. Koi jeet gaya so jeet gaya, iss mein qibahat keya hai? her game mein eik jeetey ga eik harey ga ba shartey key draw ne ho. Waisey bhi khilari companies hi ka faeda hota hai, kui tumhein eik waqt ki roti ya eik cup chai bhi nahee deta.

games ko itna azeez na banao key dimagh kho baitho. :(

La-haul-i-wa-la-quwwat

Gazoo Martian
future Khalifa-e-Pakistan


ppboy: kaisey ho bhayya ?? Salam
 

sakayani

Senator (1k+ posts)
Very disappointing. Wining and loosing is part of the game but problem is lack of effort. Pakistani batsmen should set higher price for their wickets.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
gazoomartian wrote said:
yaar tum logon ney sports ko apna mata-e-zindagi banaya hua hai. Koi jeet gaya so jeet gaya, iss mein qibahat keya hai? her game mein eik jeetey ga eik harey ga ba shartey key draw ne ho. Waisey bhi khilari companies hi ka faeda hota hai, kui tumhein eik waqt ki roti ya eik cup chai bhi nahee deta.

games ko itna azeez na banao key dimagh kho baitho. :(

La-haul-i-wa-la-quwwat

Gazoo Martian
future Khalifa-e-Pakistan


ppboy: kaisey ho bhayya ?? Salam

Dude this post was for less intelligent people like myself. Not brainers like you. Why would you be wasting time on the gupshup forum? I think you should prioritize your time. You should spend more time on futile discussions of domestic politics of Pakistan with an intent of dividing people. All the parties of Pakistan are based on ethnicity.

People like you don't follow sports because it brings Pakistan together rather than divide it.

You remind me of the grey haired failed generation of Pakistan which always tells its youth to stay away from sports and extra curricular activities. They only put weight on education. God forbid if children find the slightest interest in entertainment they become "Nalaiq." The truth is you can't get a leading role job in a developed country if you are not involved in lighter aspects of life. The life should be balanced. There is nothing wrong with bitching about a cricket match. It brings people together.

Lastly, if you really want to express yourself in Urdu then type in Urdu. Roman Urdu is very painful for the eyes.

Now go back to your life long effort of seeing Pakistan through the lense of ethnicity.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
sakayani said:
Very disappointing. Wining and loosing is part of the game but problem is lack of effort. Pakistani batsmen should set higher price for their wickets.

I think that it had to do more with the negative atitude of the captaincy. Yousuf treated Hussey like a Bradman. Needless to say Kamran Akmal did not have a good test.
 

hnuter555

MPA (400+ posts)
Main reasons for defeat
poor captiiancy
poor wicket keeping
poor coaching

misbah fasial sami and imran fahrat dont deserve test spot to be hoest
with u

yousaf dont deserve capitancy too he is a great player but not a
good capitan

PCB need changes BABA JI party need retirement guys like ramez raja
amir sohail and wasim akram should be given a role

waqar younis is good for bolwing coach but they need psyco theropy
to build them up mentally
only umer akmal and M amir and M asif fearless rest of the needed
help and conselling not joke seriouslywe need to groom them so they
can get some confidence """"
anyways i still love pakistan
i will not watch any more cricket on this tour of aus but good luck to them afradi needed to be captian fearless
win or loose but die with dignity not die with fear
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
My emotional attachment with cricket started in the late 1991, when the great Imran Khan was leading the then Pakistan side in the Sharjah Cup against (The then uncrowned kings of the cricket) West Indies and India. That eventful league match against the mighty West Indians which Pakistan won by just 1 run propelled Pakistani team to the final against the Indians which were later won by them in a sensational manner. Those months which leaded up to the immortal World Cup moments of 1992, when the cornered tigers of Imran Khan conquered the world against all the odds and speculations from the experts, were just an asset for a person like me who till then was a big fan of football.


Having seeing the zenith of Pakistani team in the 1992 World Cup in Melbourne and then their eventual and disgraceful performance in Sydney Test today has just made me realised that those days are now gone and buried in the annals of history books when we used to have a strong and fighting unit under the leadership of Imran Khan and his successor Wasim Akram to some extent. There are many things which I can refer to which makes this defeat more deplorable but for the purpose of brevity I just describe this miserable and embarrassing defeat of Pakistan in few words which I think are responsible for this debacle;



Disunity of team & power politics among the influential players
Weak and incompetent cricketing management and officials
Defective domestic cricket structure and lack of world class facilities.
Lack of scientific and up to date methods in the running of cricketing affairs
Inability to unearth and polish the precious and rare talent of Pakistan according to the new requirements of the game like technical knowhow, sports psychology and good cricketing infrastructure
Lack of good and durable methodical process which can streamline the activities of cricket and its related individuals.
Inability to groom the refined coaches and management which can provide the leadership role for the cricketers.
Inability to invest on the grooming of the talent across the country and to promote the rightful ones at different levels of teams which represent Pakistan in an international arena.
Like many fields the corruption, nepotism, cronyism and favouritism is the mother cause of all the ill effects which we are seeing in this Pakistan team ever since the retirement of the great Imran Khan.
 

sakayani

Senator (1k+ posts)
sher_khan said:
sakayani said:
Very disappointing. Wining and loosing is part of the game but problem is lack of effort. Pakistani batsmen should set higher price for their wickets.

I think that it had to do more with the negative atitude of the captaincy. Yousuf treated Hussey like a Bradman. Needless to say Kamran Akmal did not have a good test.
At test level, giving Hussey three chances is criminal. Yousaf should be given some space as it was only 4th or 5th match of his captaincy.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Dude this post was for less intelligent people like myself. Not brainers like you.
I dont see you having any lack of intelligence. You appear to be smart young pakistani

Why would you be wasting time on the gupshup forum?

Its not a waste of time here at all. I have met many Paki brother/sister here. I have lotta respect for some of them, and some respect for some people.

I think you should prioritize your time. You should spend more time on futile discussions of domestic politics of Pakistan with an intent of dividing people. All the parties of Pakistan are based on ethnicity.

My times is already prioritized. Politics brings people close than sports but if you play your cards right which, unfortunately, not beeing seen right now. But then thats what democracy is, freedom to talk. Did you have freedom during Ayuub khan's, Zia's days?? NOT. Sports brings people together only for the duration of the game days, if that. World came together during Olympics in China, terror is still goin in Pak. Cricket and hockey and football are played all the time in each other country, do you see any bhai chargi? NOT..... SPORTS DOES NOT HELP IN TERMS OF PEACE AND BHAI CHARGI BETWEEN NATIONS. Sports is just a game that was invented by probably Greek (at least Olympics anyway) and has no impact on peace process. Those who think that there is a such thing as that, are naive.

People like you don't follow sports because it brings Pakistan together rather than divide it. this statement is only half correct

You remind me of the grey haired failed generation of Pakistan which always tells its youth to stay away from sports and extra curricular activities.

Actually I DO HAVE grey hair. You are smart, you could tell from my post :lol: But definitley nota failed one.

I never said to stay away from sports, I did say dont latch onto it for long.

They only put weight on education. God forbid if children find the slightest interest in entertainment they become "Nalaiq." The truth is you can't get a leading role job in a developed country if you are not involved in lighter aspects of life. The life should be balanced.
What the heck is wrong with putting weight on education? education is what will take you to higher level of intelligence, not sports. Muhammed (s.a.w.) said to go to China to study if you have to. Do youknow what he said about sports? I will leave it upto your smarts to thinks.

There is nothing wrong with bitching about a cricket match. It brings people together.

YES it does bring people together, like I said above, but just for the duration of the game.


Lastly, if you really want to express yourself in Urdu then type in Urdu. Roman Urdu is very painful for the eyes.
Sorry if your eyes hurt pal
Now go back to your life long effort of seeing Pakistan through the lense of ethnicity.
i do not believe in ethnicity, we are all ONE and ONE Pakistani. Muslims, Hindus, Christains, etc. All One PAKISTANI ameen pakistan zindabad and paindbad.

Be-baqa-e-mumlikat-e-Bakistan

Gazoo Martian
future Khalifa-e-Pakistan
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
@Gazoo Martian
Why would you be wasting time on the gupshup forum?

Its not a waste of time here at all. I have met many Paki brother/sister here. I have lotta respect for some of them, and some respect for some people.

On this website there are lots of rooms. The Gupshup is for lighter topics, hence this post of mine. Clearly you failed to understand my point.

Also your comments of respecting other people are contradictory to your behavior. You are very quick in jumping to the conclusion that if people follow cricket and analyze it they are experts in wasting time.



I think you should prioritize your time. You should spend more time on futile discussions of domestic politics of Pakistan with an intent of dividing people. All the parties of Pakistan are based on ethnicity.

My times is already prioritized. Politics brings people close than sports but if you play your cards right which, unfortunately, not beeing seen right now. But then thats what democracy is, freedom to talk. Did you have freedom during Ayuub khan's, Zia's days?? NOT. Sports brings people together only for the duration of the game days, if that. World came together during Olympics in China, terror is still goin in Pak. Cricket and hockey and football are played all the time in each other country, do you see any bhai chargi? NOT..... SPORTS DOES NOT HELP IN TERMS OF PEACE AND BHAI CHARGI BETWEEN NATIONS. Sports is just a game that was invented by probably Greek (at least Olympics anyway) and has no impact on peace process. Those who think that there is a such thing as that, are naive.


Obviously you have never been a part of organized sports or even played/followed any sport with a passion. Firstly, sports allow the people to draft a plan/strategy, implement it, achieve results and analyze results for the betterment of future games. These exercises are extremely helpful for real life situations. Specially, sport helps the youth to exert out their physical energy which otherwise can be ill-utilized by violent causes. The analysis aspect of the sport is very important for the youth. It provides them with the opportunity of analyzing their or someone elses weaknesses. This is an exercise which assists them throughout their lives on the matters other than the sports.

Secondly, your opinion of the time limitations of the social and unity capacities of sports are extremely myopic and pedestrian at the best. My cricket experience in Pakistan and other countries have helped me get life-long friends. Specially, my practical and verbal cricket and other sports experiences with the non-pakistanis like the English, west Indians, Indians and the Chinese have helped me understand their cultures and thinking processes better. In other words sports have helped me minus my negative opinions of other communities via interaction. Needless to say it has also kept me healthy.

The magnitude of influence of the sports can be measured by the fact that the Australian cricket umpire Simon Taufel, who was attacked by terrorists during the sri-lankan team attack incident, pointed out the fact that he will return to Pakistan if there is an international game that needs to be officiated. He said that the Pakistanis have a great a passion for cricket like he does. He will not let the terrorists take away the passion from the Pakistanis or him. By doing so he gives the message to the other non-Pakistanis that they should also travel to Pakistan. Cricket is an industry in Pakistan and rest of the world. If we can preserve cricket in Pakistan and attract outsiders then we can probably preserve other falling industries of Pakistan.

Also, sports have and have always had a lot to offer to peace. It is only when nave people bring politics into sports that deteriorate the peace potency of sports.

Furthermore, I dont know about Ayub Khan and couldnt do anything about it. I was not even born back then. When Zia-ul-Haq took over, I couldnt even speak properly.

I know this much that the young people of Pakistan were on the streets risking their lives in order to get rid of Musharaf and to get independent Judiciary.

What were you doing during Ayubs and Zias time? Talking politics in your drawing room with you r black coffee and black hair. Or telling some young kid not to waste time on analyzing any sports?


People like you don't follow sports because it brings Pakistan together rather than divide it. this statement is only half correct
Which half is correct? Because it brings Pakistan together or does not divide Pakistan?



You remind me of the grey haired failed generation of Pakistan which always tells its youth to stay away from sports and extra curricular activities.

Actually I DO HAVE grey hair. You are smart, you could tell from my post But definitley nota failed one.

I never said to stay away from sports, I did say dont latch onto it for long.

A success of generation is not measured by individual financial successes. Instead, it is measured by the collective financial and moral progress of the cohort. You belong to the generation which says, iss mulk ka kuch naheen ho sakta. I belong to the generation which says, iss mulk ka wahee ho ga jo hum karain gay.

Also, what makes you think that we are latching it too long? The game got finished last night. It is only human to be emotional for a short period of time. No one is going to commit a suicide.

You see, a person like you will never understand it. There are only few things in life that Pakistan has proved itself to be best in the world. Cricket is one of them. When cricketers can demonstrate to the rest of the nation that they can be the best at something then the youth think that they can also follow and achieve their dreams of being the best in the field they want to follow. This notion cannot be understood by someone who does not play or follow a sport passionately.


They only put weight on education. God forbid if children find the slightest interest in entertainment they become "Nalaiq." The truth is you can't get a leading role job in a developed country if you are not involved in lighter aspects of life. The life should be balanced.
What the heck is wrong with putting weight on education? education is what will take you to higher level of intelligence, not sports. Muhammed (s.a.w.) said to go to China to study if you have to. Do youknow what he said about sports? I will leave it upto your smarts to thinks.

You conveniently took out only from my sentence. I stated, They only put weight on education. This omission on your part clearly makes your comment rather ridiculous.

Now go back to your life long effort of seeing Pakistan through the lense of ethnicity.
i do not believe in ethnicity, we are all ONE and ONE Pakistani. Muslims, Hindus, Christains, etc. All One PAKISTANI ameen pakistan zindabad and paindbad.

Talk is cheap.

If ever possible; vote/support a Pakistani political Party that does not have the leadership of the same linguistic background as yours.

Slogans will only get you a stripped throat. Actions will serve Pakistan.

BTW the tone of my post would have been more hospitable if you had not attempted to impose your intellectual superiority on the rest of us. Clearly, it is a common trait among the failed generation of the Pakistan. Putting down the young is no longer just a habit. Its a bodily function.
 

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