Did Atif Aslam make Pakistan famous globally or Pakistan made him famous among the South Asians?

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Previously, I didn't care about the recent controversy re atif aslam because I am not really a fan of his and don't really care about the celebrities.

However, his response to the controversy has rattled me a bit. In his Instagram post, he has denied that he ever declined the offer to waive the Pak-flag. This response would have been fine if it has ended right there because it would have been sufficient and no Pakistani is required to prove his/her patriotism to any other Pakistani.

He kept on going and said that hopefully in naya pakistan people will learn to respect all thos e who have made Pakistan popular globally.


I find this statement a bit narcissistic.

Atif Aslam is no Nusrat Fateh Ali, Imran Khan or Wasim Akram. He is only popular in the south asian community. That too, among only those who speak hindi, urdu or punjabi. There are hundreds of millions of south asians who don't even understand punjabi or hindi.

Needless to say, he was never selected to represent Pakistan. He is simply representing his voice and himself. When he is hired by an entertainment company to sing a song, he is not hired to represent Pakistan but himself.

Also, previously I absolutely dismissed the possibility of him declining to waive the Pak-flag. That would have not made any sense at all. However, after looking at the news article, which covered his instagram post, I do have a suspicion now. Knowing that he makes a lot of money via Indian platforms and has a huge Indian fan base; he might not have wanted to be seen waving a pakistani flag. An image of him waving a pak-flag would have been heavily exploited by the hawks in indian media and would have affected his indian future earnings and popularity.

In his Instagram post, Atif has posted an image of a t-shirt with a fortune-cookie-like message on it.
Here was a chance for him to prove the controversy wrong and have an image of himself wearing a pak cricket t-shirt or a hat with pak-flag. He didn't. This raises further suspicions. It almost seems like as if he is being advised by his publicist to not to be seen with a pak flag and protect his future Indian earnings.

This is not the first time a pak origin public figure/entertainer (earning via India) has taken an unreasonable stance.
Ramiz Raja, who had commentary contracts with the Indian companies used to defend every stance of the BCCI, no matter how unreasonable. He used to support India for not adopting the DRS. He also ridiculed Pakistanis who did not want the Big 3 system in the ICC. He called the Pakistanis who opposed the Big 3 structure, over-patriotic - justifying his Indian cheques. Of course...India is now using the DRS and the Big 3 structure was never feasible and hence is no more.

CONCLUSION:
I think pak celebrities have every right to earn money from indian platforms. Actually the exchange of entertainers and contact among the citizens of two countries is a very positve thing and should be encouraged. However, the Pak celebrities earning through India should not take the Pakistanis for a fool and should not give morality lectures to their fellow Pakistanis, just to protect their future earnings from India or to justify their present ones.

Lastly, if a singer is only famous in pak-indo community, he has only made a name for him/herself in parts of south asia and among the south asian expats. Just like there is absolutely no requirement for the indian-rupee-khor celebrities of Pakistan to prove their patriotism for the country of their origin; similarly, it is absolutely not mandatory for the Pakistinis around the world to treat them with respect for their personal achievements.

https://dnd.com.pk/atif-aslam-break...sy-says-pakistani-flag-is-his-identity/147907
 
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HSiddiqui

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Previously, I didn't care about the recent controversy re atif aslam because I am not really a fan of his and don't really care about the celebrities.

However, his response to the controversy has rattled me a bit. In his Instagram post, he has denied that he ever declined the offer to waive the Pak-flag. This response would have been fine if it has ended right there because it would have been sufficient and no Pakistani is required to prove his/her patriotism to any other Pakistani.
He kept on going and said that hopefully in naya pakistan people will learn to respect all thos e who have made Pakistan popular globally.

I find this statement a bit narcissistic.

Atif Aslam is no Nusarat Fateh Ali, Imran Khan or WAsim Akram . He is only popular in the south asian community. That too, among only those who speak hindi, urdu or punjabi. There are hundreds of millions of south asians who don't even understand punjabi or hindi.
Needless to say, he was never selected to represent Pakistan. He is simply representing his voice and himself. When he is hired by an entertainment company to sing a song, he is not hired to represent Pakistan but himself.

Also, previously I absolutely dismissed the possibility of him declining to waive the Pak-flag. That would have not made any sense at all. However, after looking at the news article, which covered his instagram post, I do have a suspicion now. Knowing that he makes a lot of money via Indian platforms and has a huge Indian fan base; he might not have wanted to be seen waving a pakistani flag. An image of him waving a pak-flag would have been heavily exploited by the hawks in indian media and would have affected his indian future earnings and popularity.

In his instagram post, atif has posted an image of a t-shirt with a fortune-cookie like message on it.
Here was a chance for him to prove the controversy wrong and have an image of himself wearing a pak cricket t-shirt or a hat with pak-flag. He didn't. This raises further suspicions. It almost seems like as if he is being advised by his publicist to not to be seen with a pak flag and protect his future indian earnings.

This is not the first time a pak origin public figure/entertainer (earning via india) has taken unreasonable stance.
Ramiz Raja, who had commentary contracts with the Indian companies used to defend every stance of the BCCI, no matter how unreasonable. He used to support India for not adopting the DRS. He also ridiculed Pakistanis who did not want the Big 3 system in the ICC. He called the Pakistanis who opposed the Big 3 structure, over patriotic - justifying his indian cheques. Of course...India is now using the DRS and the Big 3 structure was never feasible and hence is no more.

CONCLUSION:
I think pak celebrities have every right to earn money from indian platforms. Actually the exchange of entertainers and contact among the citizens of two countries is a very positve thing and should be encouraged. However, the Pak celebrities earning through India should not take the Pakistanis for a fool and should not give morality lectures to their fellow Pakistanis, just to protect their future earnings from India or to justify their present ones.

Lastly, if a singer is only famous in pak-indo community, he has only made a name for him/herself in parts of south asia and among the south asian expats. Just like there is absolutely no requirement for the indian-rupee-khor celebrities of Pakistan to prove their patriotism for the country of their origin; similarly, it is absolutely not mandatory for the Pakistinis around the world to treat them with respect for their personal achievements.

https://dnd.com.pk/atif-aslam-break...sy-says-pakistani-flag-is-his-identity/147907

Atif Aslam, a simply patriotic Pakistani , a world famous singer, without a a doubt did a mistake in singing Indian film songs on Pakistan day, and this is some thing that is never expected from any lay guy where as Atif Aslam is expected to know these manners or requirements better that an ordinary person. A protest from people in attendance was their right, but probably what fared it is a stupid remark from the Organizer who said song is a song it doesn't matter. People were there in a mode of listening to some national songs, getting into an atmosphere of patriotism and were shocked to hear different.
But it is wrong to say Atif Aslam refused to hold Pakistani flag. Why would he do so? He is not ugly Fazlur Rehman or Achakzai, he is our beloved singer who proudly announces every where that he is from Pakistan.
Kindly do not try to pull his legs and involve him in something that he will never commit. And as for the song is concerned it was wrong, people said it, let it be over and move onward please.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Atif Aslam, a simply patriotic Pakistani , a world famous singer, without a a doubt did a mistake in singing Indian film songs on Pakistan day, and this is some thing that is never expected from any lay guy where as Atif Aslam is expected to know these manners or requirements better that an ordinary person. A protest from people in attendance was their right, but probably what fared it is a stupid remark from the Organizer who said song is a song it doesn't matter. People were there in a mode of listening to some national songs, getting into an atmosphere of patriotism and were shocked to hear different.
But it is wrong to say Atif Aslam refused to hold Pakistani flag. Why would he do so? He is not ugly Fazlur Rehman or Achakzai, he is our beloved singer who proudly announces every where that he is from Pakistan.
Kindly do not try to pull his legs and involve him in something that he will never commit. And as for the song is concerned it was wrong, people said it, let it be over and move onward please.

neither the song nor his patriotism are the issues I have raised - I hope you read the whole post and did not respond based only on the heading.

it is very possible that he was requested by some fans to sing a particular song and he obliged them.

the issues are:-
- his business strategy - not to be seen with a particular flag that might affect his future earnings
- his narcissism - he is popular only among specific south asian communities - not globally
- his unjustified morality lecture - which in essence is to secure his earnings
- it is not mandatory for every pakistani to respect every celebrity
 
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idrees2be2002

Minister (2k+ posts)
sach baath karoun ga, mostly hum pakistanio ko burri lage gi.
jo humare singers ko india mein ja ke izzat milti hai wo pakistan mein nahi milti, uski waja yeh hai ke music unke culture ka hissa hai, pakistan mein loog inko mirasi kehte hain, europe mein singers ko talent mana jata hai.
kyun ke music compose karna ya singing karna har bande ki bas ki baath nahi hai.
yeh singers jab pakistan mein hote hain to inko koi nahi jaanta, ek india ka chakkar laga ke ate hain to famous ho jate hain. aur indian movies ke liye sing karna inki bhi majburi hai, india aur pakistan ko, khaastoor pe india ko , music, movies, sport aur politics ko aleda rakhna chahye. abh atif aslam ke itne fan pakistan mein nahi houn gay jitne india mein hain. kyun ke idher europe mein bhi india loog pakistani singers ke fan hain.
 

nasir77

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Neither he is Rafi nor Kashor. He is nothing but a ordinary singer. Don't make him God. No body is above the country...
 

idrees2be2002

Minister (2k+ posts)
aur samjh nahi ati ke jab yeh india jate hain song record karwane to jab hit ho jata hai to sab pakistani song sun ke maze lete hain. magar jab wo apna song hi sing kare to itraaz, yeh to phir munafiqat hui
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
aur samjh nahi ati ke jab yeh india jate hain song record karwane to jab hit ho jata hai to sab pakistani song sun ke maze lete hain. magar jab wo apna song hi sing kare to itraaz, yeh to phir munafiqat hui

neither the song nor his patriotism are the issues I have raised - I hope you read the whole post and did not respond based only on the heading.

it is very possible that he was requested by some fans to sing a particular song and he obliged them.

the issues are:-
- his business strategy - not to be seen with a particular flag that might affect his future earnings
- his narcissism - he is popular only among specific south asian communities - not globally
- his unjustified morality lecture - which in essence is to secure his earnings
- it is not mandatory for every pakistani to respect every celebrity
 

idrees2be2002

Minister (2k+ posts)
neither the song nor his patriotism are the issues I have raised - I hope you read the whole post and did not respond based only on the heading.

it is very possible that he was requested by some fans to sing a particular song and he obliged them.

the issues are:-
- his business strategy - not to be seen with a particular flag that might affect his future earnings
- his narcissism - he is popular only among specific south asian communities - not globally
- his unjustified morality lecture - which in essence is to secure his earnings
- it is not mandatory for every pakistani to respect every celebrity

lol, mein ne to apki post pe reply nahi kia jo ap ne likhi hui hai, wese mein baath kar raha houn
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Atif Asslum is a Bengali looking mother effer F HIM and boycott his marasee wedding singer Faggot anti Pakistan.

u have the right to an opinion but use of abusive language will help him gain more sympathy than criticism.
please consider deleting your post or make a better choice of words.
just a suggestion.
 

LovePK-or-LeavePK

Senator (1k+ posts)
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HSiddiqui

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
neither the song nor his patriotism are the issues I have raised - I hope you read the whole post and did not respond based only on the heading.

it is very possible that he was requested by some fans to sing a particular song and he obliged them.

the issues are:-
- his business strategy - not to be seen with a particular flag that might affect his future earnings
- his narcissism - he is popular only among specific south asian communities - not globally
- his unjustified morality lecture - which in essence is to secure his earnings
- it is not mandatory for every pakistani to respect every celebrity

I never criticized your post , I just added my thoughts to that.
 

Gujjar1

Minister (2k+ posts)
He never is and never was a global star he has just one good song om his credit and that too because of the other Guy who composed the song otherwise he is an ordinarie singer who sing song of other singers.
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I dont like Atif Aslam, but our public has a habit of making a mountain out of a molehill. Remember, we come from a country where people are lynched only on suspicion of blasphemy. People are labelled unpatriotic only on assumptions. And people are revered and hoisted on pedestals just because their mother or father or grandfather was the party head. This is the sad reality that we face.
 

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