End of MQM and ALTAF HUSSAIN'S NUISANCE?

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Things are quite on MQM front, despite the vicious attacks by Zulfiqar Mirza, apart from a token Press Conference presented by a slightly lower ranking leader, not much is coming out of the MQM camp as way of explanations. For almost a month now all their major leaders are keeping a very low profile, and have not appeared in the daily talk shows, where they used to be a regular feature. So why is this change in practices and attitudes?

We know there are rumours that two major events may have taken places recently:

Arrest of some MQM activists in connection of Dr. Imran Farooq murder case. Despite the denials from MQM too many of mainstream Pakistani journalists and organisations have reported the capture of two at the airport on their return from Sri Lanka, and a further activists after the investigations of two suspects.

The mysterious sickness of Altaf Hussain as per MQM official line. Though at the moment this is the official version. The rumours of Altaf Hussain stopped from travelling to South Africa and place under an order or advice not to leave his resident without permission or informing the authorities, had been denied by MQM and also by the High Commissioner of Britain. This news is obviously cannot be confirmed at the moment.

Whatever the reasons, if Altaf has been put under restrictions or not one thing is certain, he would never be same again. Before the supporters of MQM agitate, let me explain why I have formed my opinion.

Whatever happens in the case from now on, Altaf Hussain is history. He wouldn't ever be the same again, and wouldn't be able to issue any Public orders from the UK which could cause death and destruction in Karachi. If he does, the British with Pakistani backgrounds in the UK would report him; they may decide to register a case against him in a Police Station under Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005. Under the ACT an order can be placed on AH and MQM.


Power to make control orders

(1)In this Act “control order” means an order against an individual that imposes obligations on him for purposes connected with protecting members of the public from a risk of terrorism.

Section (4) Those obligations may include, in particular—

(d) a restriction on his association or communications with specified persons or with other persons generally;

(e) a restriction in respect of his place of residence or on the persons to whom he gives access to his place of residence;

The above two sections of the Act could prohibit Altaf Hussain of having associations with his Rabta Committee members including restrictions on access to his place of residence or visiting the Central office in North London.

(g) a prohibition or restriction on his movements to, from or within the United Kingdom, a specified part of the United Kingdom or a specified place or area within the United Kingdom;

(h) a requirement on him to surrender his passport, or anything in his possession to which a prohibition or restriction imposed by the order relates, to a specified person for a period not exceeding the period for which the order remains in force;

It seems these two conditions are already in place on Altaf, I don’t think under the act but for the investigation of the Murder Charges, the Police can request such order from a Magistrate.

(k) a requirement on him to allow specified persons to search that place or any such premises for the purpose of ascertaining whether obligations imposed by or under the order have been, are being or are about to be contravened;

(l) a requirement on him to allow specified persons, either for that purpose or for the purpose of securing that the order is complied with, to remove anything found in that place or on any such premises and to subject it to tests or to retain it for a period not exceeding the period for which the order remains in force;

Under these two conditions, the working of the Central Office would be redundant, even though if the rumours to be believed the central office is already searched under the power of investigation for the murder of Dr. Imran Farooq, but even in the future, if this order is placed on Altaf Hussain, then the working of central office or any other office MQM opens for the purpose would be made redundant.

(n) a requirement on him to co-operate with specified arrangements for enabling his movements, communications or other activities to be monitored by electronic or other means;

It gives the power to use electronic surveillance methods and also to place a tag on his body, usually ankle, to monitor the movement of the person placed under order. I explained that when the British High Commissioner spoke that there is restriction on his movement. He meant that, until and unless a court order is placed officially there are no restrictions on AH movement, but police has the right to ask the suspect not to leave the area without informing them.

(p) a requirement on him to report to a specified person at specified times and places.

This is once again another way the movement is restricted, some criminals and now even some of those who claim political asylum and their applications are under consideration, are asked to report to Police Station or in case of Political Asylum seekers to report to alternative venues every day.

(5)Power by or under a control order to prohibit or restrict the controlled person's movements includes, in particular, power to impose a requirement on him to remain at or within a particular place or area (whether for a particular period or at particular times or generally).

(6)The reference in subsection (4)(n) to co-operating with specified arrangements for monitoring includes a reference to each of the following—

(b) wearing or otherwise using apparatus approved by or in accordance with the arrangements;
(c) maintaining such apparatus in the specified manner;

(7)The information that the controlled person may be required to provide under a control order includes, in particular, advance information about his proposed movements or other activities.

Now the definition of the terrorism related activities,

(9)For the purposes of this Act involvement in terrorism-related activity is any one or more of the following—

(a) the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism;

AH is constantly in contravention of this condition through his speeches and ranting, issuing threats etc.

(b) conduct which facilitates the commission, preparation or instigation of such acts, or which is intended to do so;

The condition is not only that the act actually happened but if intends were there even then a breach happens.

(c) conduct which gives encouragement to the commission, preparation or instigation of such acts, or which is intended to do so;

Even the speeches, which are full of bravado and rhetoric but could or resulted in violence, would be covered.

(d) conduct, which gives support or assistance to individuals who are known or believed to be involved in terrorism-related activity;

and for the purposes of this subsection it is immaterial whether the acts of terrorism in question are specific acts of terrorism or acts of terrorism generally.

At the moment MQM and AH had got away from the implications of this and other ACTS on the ground and excuses that the charges against them are false, and in Pakistan charges are framed against the opposition because of political reasons and there is no truth in the allegations. He obtained the British Nationality under the same excuses; otherwise, there is a condition that those who commit crimes domestically or overseas could be denied the British Nationality. This is the only way the Secretary of State could have over come the condition for the grant of the nationality to AH.

But once the case is proven by Met Police against AH and MQM for the murder of Dr. Imran Farooq , this excuse could not be used by AH and MQM. They cannot blame the British to be political biased against AH and MQM.


In the above act one may say it only mentions the UK and not the foreign countries, therefore, AH and MQM can get away with it for the acts committed in Pakistan. It is not true in the first place because AH and MQM are involved in the murder of Dr. Farooq committed on British soil.

To deal with the foreign related terror and crimes we have The Terrorism Act 2000 and changes made to it in 2006.

29 Consent to prosecution of offence committed outside UK
In section 117(2A) of the Terrorism Act 2000 (c. 11) and in section 19(2) of the Terrorism Act 2006 (cases in which permission of Attorney General or Advocate General for Northern Ireland required before DPP gives consent to prosecution), after “committed” insert “ outside the United Kingdom or ”.

I have also mentioned money laundering many times, the way MQM move the money around the national boundaries, under this act, not only the money laundering is prohibited but also the Government could confiscate the properties obtained from the money laundering.

Terrorist financing and money laundering

Part 5 62 Schedule 7 makes provision conferring powers on the Treasury to act against terrorist financing, money laundering and certain other activities.
93 Meaning of offence having a “terrorist connection”

For the purposes of this Act an offence has a terrorist connection if the offence—
(a) is, or takes place in the course of, an act of terrorism, or
(b) is committed for the purposes of terrorism.

SCHEDULE 2 Offences where terrorist connection to be considered

Common law offences

Murder.
Manslaughter.
Culpable homicide.
Kidnapping.
Abduction.
Statutory offences

An offence under any of the following sections of the Offences against the Person Act 1861 (c. 100)—
(a) section 4 (soliciting murder),

Looking at the list, MQM had been involved in Murder, homicides, kidnapping and Abductions over the years.

The excuse that in Pakistan the charges are framed against the political opponents is no more valid now, therefore, MQM is history as much as UK is concern, if we to believe the rumours of the arrest of three people arrested in Karachi and the arrest or restriction on AH and the searches conducted on the offices and resident of MQM officials in the UK.

And once the precedent is set in the UK, MQM would also be banned in Pakistan, as ex chief of Election Commission of Pakistan explained in Pakistani Press. MQM would be on very thin ice, try to argue their case in the courts. How are they going to argue that the case in the UK was bias against them?

I am convinced that the implications are so vast that MQM could not escape the consequences this time. No wonder the leaders of MQM are keeping a very low profile, trying to figure out what to do next. But now they have no choice but to wait for the news from the UK. Their future acts, planning and policies are now depended on the actions of Met Police in London. The game is out of their hands at the moment.
 
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magic.magic

Voter (50+ posts)
yeah koi naya MQM ka hasid aa giya. En racist logon nay MQM key 15,000 bunday 90s mein kar diya tha yad hai. Ab tu yeah kyon sa qanoon ley kar aa giya. Tera khiyal hai UK waley yeah Qanoon MQM par chalain gay yeah alqaida walon par. Tum ho na ho PTI yeah noon league k ho, ho sakta hai PTI ka jis ko aik seat bhi nahi milnay wali. Apney leader say kaho key koi nai gori qaboo karey es borhapay mein.
 
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sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When is Visa System starting in Karachi? I heard MQM is propsing card entery system in Karachi to reduce target killings.
 

pak4rule

Senator (1k+ posts)
Allah is great , seems aik aur sunnat poori hoonay lugi ha ka jub zulm hud sa burhta ha tu mit jata ha.
Makaroo wa makarollah, wallah-o-khairulmakereen.

Since Altaf has threatened Ulema-e-karaam , he is not able to issue any other statement.
He thinking himself like pharaoh .
Allah saray terrorists ko ya hidayet day warna inn ko neest-o-nabood kar day ameen.
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
This all seems a wishful thinking.
Who is going to take action against MQM?
Besides Zardari is pulling them back into the government
instead of pushing them off the cliff.
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
..........I am convinced.........
That's the only sentence I can understand from all of your crap that you are convinced on accusations, "SUNI SUNAI BATEIN" and more importantly based on your own WISHFUL and SATANIC thinking against MQM and its supporters. Mind it most of the supporters of MQM are obviously MUHAJIRS, so you spit your venom nly on MUHAJIRS. Keep predicting and keep trying to impress the audience of this forum but these audience are already on the same boat of yours.
SO WHO CARES OF THIS CRAP IN KARACHI?????? These craps are not new for us, BUT hum bhi dhun ke pakkay heiN jitna MQM ke khilaf bolo ge utna hi MQM ko support kareiN ge. PERIOD.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This all seems a wishful thinking.
Who is going to take action against MQM?
Besides Zardari is pulling them back into the government
instead of pushing them off the cliff.

Malik it is not wishful thinking at all. First of all, what I have written is not dependent on the actions of Zardari. I have not written what would happen in Pakistan. I wrote, depending what the Met Police does in the Murder inquiry.

If AH and MQM is found involved, that would be the end of both of them in the UK. You should have read what Lord Nazir has said recently. Him and others had been trying this for a little while, but MQM with the tacit approval of British Government was using the excuse of false accusations against them in Pakistan.

But if Met find them responsible, how are they going to use that excuse in the UK?
People like Lord Nazir would go straight to the courts, and request an order against MQM and they surely would be granted the orders under the two acts I quoted. Without shadow of a doubt.

Until now MQM was saved by their power share in the Government, firstly with Mush and now with PPP. They successfully ward off the requests by the British for information after the complaints against them registered by Imran. Those allegations still stand, the inquiry is pending. But if the murder of Imran is proven on MQM and AH, all that excuse is gone.

Do you understand it now?
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Things are quite on MQM front, despite the vicious attacks by Zulfiqar Mirza, apart from a token Press Conference presented by a slightly lower ranking leader, not much is coming out of the MQM camp as way of explanations. For almost a month now all their major leaders are keeping a very low profile, and have not appeared in the daily talk shows, where they used to be a regular feature. So why is this change in practices and attitudes?

We know there are rumours that two major events may have taken places recently:

Arrest of some MQM activists in connection of Dr. Imran Farooq murder case. Despite the denials from MQM too many of mainstream Pakistani journalists and organisations have reported the capture of two at the airport on their return from Sri Lanka, and a further activists after the investigations of two suspects.

The mysterious sickness of Altaf Hussain as per MQM official line. Though at the moment this is the official version. The rumours of Altaf Hussain stopped from travelling to South Africa and place under an order or advice not to leave his resident without permission or informing the authorities, had been denied by MQM and also by the High Commissioner of Britain. This news is obviously cannot be confirmed at the moment.

Whatever the reasons, if Altaf has been put under restrictions or not one thing is certain, he would never be same again. Before the supporters of MQM agitate, let me explain why I have formed my opinion.

Whatever happens in the case from now on, Altaf Hussain is history. He wouldn't ever be the same again, and wouldn't be able to issue any Public orders from the UK which could cause death and destruction in Karachi. If he does, the British with Pakistani backgrounds in the UK would report him; they may decide to register a case against him in a Police Station under Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005. Under the ACT an order can be placed on AH and MQM.




The above two sections of the Act could prohibit Altaf Hussain of having associations with his Rabta Committee members including restrictions on access to his place of residence or visiting the Central office in North London.



It seems these two conditions are already in place on Altaf, I don’t think under the act but for the investigation of the Murder Charges, the Police can request such order from a Magistrate.



Under these two conditions, the working of the Central Office would be redundant, even though if the rumours to be believed the central office is already searched under the power of investigation for the murder of Dr. Imran Farooq, but even in the future, if this order is placed on Altaf Hussain, then the working of central office or any other office MQM opens for the purpose would be made redundant.



It gives the power to use electronic surveillance methods and also to place a tag on his body, usually ankle, to monitor the movement of the person placed under order. I explained that when the British High Commissioner spoke that there is restriction on his movement. He meant that, until and unless a court order is placed officially there are no restrictions on AH movement, but police has the right to ask the suspect not to leave the area without informing them.



This is once again another way the movement is restricted, some criminals and now even some of those who claim political asylum and their applications are under consideration, are asked to report to Police Station or in case of Political Asylum seekers to report to alternative venues every day.



Now the definition of the terrorism related activities,



AH is constantly in contravention of this condition through his speeches and ranting, issuing threats etc.



The condition is not only that the act actually happened but if intends were there even then a breach happens.



Even the speeches, which are full of bravado and rhetoric but could or resulted in violence, would be covered.



At the moment MQM and AH had got away from the implications of this and other ACTS on the ground and excuses that the charges against them are false, and in Pakistan charges are framed against the opposition because of political reasons and there is no truth in the allegations. He obtained the British Nationality under the same excuses; otherwise, there is a condition that those who commit crimes domestically or overseas could be denied the British Nationality. This is the only way the Secretary of State could have over come the condition for the grant of the nationality to AH.

But once the case is proven by Met Police against AH and MQM for the murder of Dr. Imran Farooq , this excuse could not be used by AH and MQM. They cannot blame the British to be political biased against AH and MQM.


In the above act one may say it only mentions the UK and not the foreign countries, therefore, AH and MQM can get away with it for the acts committed in Pakistan. It is not true in the first place because AH and MQM are involved in the murder of Dr. Farooq committed on British soil.

To deal with the foreign related terror and crimes we have The Terrorism Act 2000 and changes made to it in 2006.



I have also mentioned money laundering many times, the way MQM move the money around the national boundaries, under this act, not only the money laundering is prohibited but also the Government could confiscate the properties obtained from the money laundering.



Looking at the list, MQM had been involved in Murder, homicides, kidnapping and Abductions over the years.

The excuse that in Pakistan the charges are framed against the political opponents is no more valid now, therefore, MQM is history as much as UK is concern, if we to believe the rumours of the arrest of three people arrested in Karachi and the arrest or restriction on AH and the searches conducted on the offices and resident of MQM officials in the UK.

And once the precedent is set in the UK, MQM would also be banned in Pakistan, as ex chief of Election Commission of Pakistan explained in Pakistani Press. MQM would be on very thin ice, try to argue their case in the courts. How are they going to argue that the case in the UK was bias against them?

I am convinced that the implications are so vast that MQM could not escape the consequences this time. No wonder the leaders of MQM are keeping a very low profile, trying to figure out what to do next. But now they have no choice but to wait for the news from the UK. Their future acts, planning and policies are now depended on the actions of Met Police in London. The game is out of their hands at the moment.

آپ نے کافی تحقیق اور عرق ریزی سے تجزیہ کیا ہے میں آپکے کئی نکات سے متفق ہوں لیکن ہمارے بدقسمت ملک میں ہر وہ بری چیز جو ممکن ہے وہ ہو کے رہتی ہے جس کو آپ لوگ انگلستان میں

Murphy's Law

کہتے ہیں - ہمارے سیاستدان کتے کی دم کی طرح ٹیڑھے ہیں -- الطاف حسین نے اسی برے دن کے لیے زرداری کو صدر نامزد کیا تھا اور رحمان ملک جیسے غدّار اور ضمیر فروش سے دوستی بڑھائی تھی -- الطاف پر انگلستان میں تبھی فرد جرم عائد ہو سکتی ہے اگر زرداری اور رحمان ملک ان سے تعاون کریں -- مبینہ قاتل پاکستان میں پکڑے گئے ہیں اور ان سے خفیہ تحقیقات کرکے انکے اعترافی بیان بھی ریکارڈ کر لیے گئے ہیں --- یہ لوگ ایم کیو ایم کے خلاف "بارگیننگ چپ" کے طور پر استعمال ہونگے آخر میں ایم کیو ایم گھٹنے ٹیک دے گی اور زرداری کی شرائط پر حکومت کو سپورٹ کرے گی --- حکومت برطانیہ کو کسی بھی مبینہ قاتل کی گرفتاری سے متعلق لا علمی شو کی جاے گی یا صاف ٹھینگا دکھا دیا جاے گا
 

magic.magic

Voter (50+ posts)
Yaar AijazAhmed, mid 80s say en logon ka drama MQM key khilaf sun rahey hain. Yeah khooni logon nay bahot logon ka begunah khoon bahaya. 1985 mein en logon nay Aligarh colony mein din bhar khoon bahaya aur police tamasha dekhti rahee. Es tarha en logon nay chun chun kar Urdu speaking logon ko mara. Yeh wohi log hain jo Islam kay bahot barey sepahi bunttay hain aur Bengalion ko bhi mara AlBadr aur AlShams bana kar fauj key saath mil kar. Bengalion nay en ko jootey mar mar tabah kar diya aur 100,000 say hathiar dalwa liya. Yeah wohi group hai jis nay MQM key khilaf karachi mein operation karwaya naseer ullah babar say (Allah es kameenay ko karwat karwat jahannam wasil karey). Naseer ullah babar extra juidical killing kar key begunahoon key lashon ko thokar marta tha key ab uth ja. Us waqt tv channel they nahi etnay key khabrain detay. En logon nay Karachi say chun chun kar urdu bolnay waley azeem logon ko mara aur us ka elzam MQM par dala. Yehi harkat yeah Dhaka mein bhi kar chukey they aur chun chun kar bengali intellectuals ko mara aur Mohammed pur (Dhaka mein aik elaqa hai) aik brick making factory hai, wohan un ki lashain phaink di. Yeah sab tareekh ka hissa hai. Yeah sab drama rachatey rahey yeah log. Asal mein Pakistan mein racism hai. Kuch sobon key log apnay app ko bahot alaa aur arfa samjhtay hain. Yeah andhay hain. Duniya mein kya ho raha hai nahi dekh rahey. Aaj kal duna mein taleem ka daur hai. Education, technology, innovation and skill development. Yeah sab udhar tabah ho chuka hai. Atomic program Pakistan ka kis nay chalaya. Pakistan ki key taraqqi kis nay kee, agar ghaur say dekho tumhay woh Urdu bolney wala hi melay ga. Pakistan mein asal mein aslaha, qabeela, qatal, gharat, badla, aurto par zulm, karo kiri, acid throwing, heera mandi, enton key bhatti maafia, jageerdari, hareeon par ***** chorna, zulm karna, begar lena, launday baazi, smuggling, aslaha factory, ghairat key naam par aurto par zulm karna, qatal, bus yehi hota raha hai. MQM bahot bari tabdeeli la rahi hai jo en zalimon ko manzoor nahi. Waisay Allah nay en logon ka badobast kar diya hai aur woh hai AFghani taliban jo en ki patakh patakh kar lain gay. thori dere ki baat hai yeah zara jageerdarana aur dadagiri ka intizam honey wala hai. Baher hal, yeah racist element dobara zore pakar raha hai aur en say Allah Pakistan ko mahfooz rakehy ameen.
 

humdaan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Allah is great , seems aik aur sunnat poori hoonay lugi ha ka jub zulm hud sa burhta ha tu mit jata ha.
Makaroo wa makarollah, wallah-o-khairulmakereen.

Since Altaf has threatened Ulema-e-karaam , he is not able to issue any other statement.
He thinking himself like pharaoh .
Allah saray terrorists ko ya hidayet day warna inn ko neest-o-nabood kar day ameen.

i can see you are hypocrite aswell and you are calling altaf hussain a pharos in my eyes he is the best leader in pakistan, the leader who doesnt want any power, money and land unlike others. start from nawaaz ***** who is a billionaire and owner of thousands of acres of land living like a king in palace the person who turn kargil victory into defeat, most coward leader of all time in pakistan history. now zardari famous for mr 10% everybody knows about him anyway, now the main culprit imran khan, lived his whole life in england drinking having affair with lots of girls illegitimate father of a seeta white daughter he is a true baigerrat, his wife has divorced him and besharam is still stay in his ex mother in law house whenever he comes to england. even though baigarrat khan knows his wife is seeing hugh grant after all this he wants to be the prime minister of pakistan, running a hospital on charity but not helping poor people at all. say no for aids from america and europe but yes for charity from america and europe totally visionless the idiot support taliban who are killing thouands of thousands of pakistani for that imran khan should be hanged by law and now you compare with altaf hussain, altaf hussain does not want to be a prime minster or president and living a very simple life in england, i know that because i live in england. the most honest leader never ever involved in corruption and always do good things for the people of pakistan, he want develop and successfull pakistan. so come out of your dream altaf hussain is a phenomenon, he want pakistani to be educated. ALTAF HUSSAIN ZNDABAD HAQ PARRAST ZINDABAD ZABARDAST ZABARDAST HAQ PARRAST HAQ PARRAST, MQM ZINDABAD PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)




آپ نے کافی تحقیق اور عرق ریزی سے تجزیہ کیا ہے میں آپکے کئی نکات سے متفق ہوں لیکن ہمارے بدقسمت ملک میں ہر وہ بری چیز جو ممکن ہے وہ ہو کے رہتی ہے جس کو آپ لوگ انگلستان میں

Murphy's Law

کہتے ہیں - ہمارے سیاستدان کتے کی دم کی طرح ٹیڑھے ہیں -- الطاف حسین نے اسی برے دن کے لیے زرداری کو صدر نامزد کیا تھا اور رحمان ملک جیسے غدّار اور ضمیر فروش سے دوستی بڑھائی تھی -- الطاف پر انگلستان میں تبھی فرد جرم عائد ہو سکتی ہے اگر زرداری اور رحمان ملک ان سے تعاون کریں -- مبینہ قاتل پاکستان میں پکڑے گئے ہیں اور ان سے خفیہ تحقیقات کرکے انکے اعترافی بیان بھی ریکارڈ کر لیے گئے ہیں --- یہ لوگ ایم کیو ایم کے خلاف "بارگیننگ چپ" کے طور پر استعمال ہونگے آخر میں ایم کیو ایم گھٹنے ٹیک دے گی اور زرداری کی شرائط پر حکومت کو سپورٹ کرے گی --- حکومت برطانیہ کو کسی بھی مبینہ قاتل کی گرفتاری سے متعلق لا علمی شو کی جاے گی یا صاف ٹھینگا دکھا دیا جاے گا

Bro Nighthawk, I agree on the jest of what you have written. I don't think Zardari could do much if British really want the information from Pakistan. Remember that British already know, they are the one who have provided the information in the first place. I bet the relevant information is already in British possession or they are in the process to get it.

Let me explain to you, how Zardari has come in to power and how is he maintaining it?
He came through NRO, organised, facilitate and signed on the behest and supervision of USA and UK.
He cannot last even for a month, if he does not get the support from his foreign masters. Do you really think, MQM or AH is more important for him then UK and USA?

Zardari could not dare to say no, absolutely out of question. If he displeases his masters he would be kicked out, MQM or AH or Rehman Malik cannot save him, it is guaranteed.

The ball is totally in British Court. There could be only one way MQM and AH can escape now.
It is dependent on the wishes of the British Government, how important it is for them to capture the killers of Farooq. If all the rumors and allegations are correct and AH is been used as a pawn for breakup of Pakistan. Then the British can decide that their main aim is more important than capture of Farooq's killers. In that case they may not push it and AH and MQM can get away with it. This is the only scenario which allows the survival of MQM. Zardari is not relevant in it.

But if British do not push, it means a very bad omen for Pakistan and Pakistanis, the plans of break up of Pakistan are at a advance stage then. Onus would dramatically shift on CJ and COAS. If you reading my posts for last few months, I don't think both of them got the balls to save Pakistan. They will sit and wait, like they are doing now, until it is too late to do anything. We are doomed in that case.

For the same reason I wrote about Imran that he is not making timely decisions, and it may be too late for him too, if he does not act now and mobilise the masses. I know some people do not like my comments about Imran but it is how I feel and it is my honest assessment of the situation in Pakistan. I hope I am wrong, but all the signs are I am not wrong.
 

roshansachai

Senator (1k+ posts)
yeah koi naya MQM ka hasid aa giya. Abey En racist logon nay MQM key 15,000 bunday 90s mein kar diya tha yad hai. Ab tu yeah kyon sa qanoon ley kar aa giya. Tera khiyal hai UK waley yeah Qanoon MQM par chalain gay yeah alqaida walon par. Abey MQM key hasad mein kya aul faul bak raha hai tu. Tu ho na ho PTI yeah noon league ka hai, ho sakta hai PTI ka jis ko aik seat bhi nahi milnay wali. Apney leader say kaho key koi nai gori qaboo karey es borhapay mein.

VOICE OF A DIE HARD MQM TERRORIST-GO ROT IN HELL:angry_smile: YES WE ARE PTI SUPPORTERS/PRO-PAKISTANIS AND WILL ALWAYS BE. NO MATTER WHAT U SAY.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
yeah koi naya MQM ka hasid aa giya. Abey En racist logon nay MQM key 15,000 bunday 90s mein kar diya tha yad hai. Ab tu yeah kyon sa qanoon ley kar aa giya. Tera khiyal hai UK waley yeah Qanoon MQM par chalain gay yeah alqaida walon par. Abey MQM key hasad mein kya aul faul bak raha hai tu. Tu ho na ho PTI yeah noon league ka hai, ho sakta hai PTI ka jis ko aik seat bhi nahi milnay wali. Apney leader say kaho key koi nai gori qaboo karey es borhapay mein.

he hehehe, daft as usual. No mate, neither I am new, nor I am jealous of MQM. Why would I be jealous from them?

Jealous about them killing people or grabbing money by extortion? Involved in kidnapping and Ransom? Smuggling of weapons? Which act of theirs I should feel jealous about?

I have quoted actual ACTS of the UK, "Aul fol" nahi. Open your eyes, Read the comments I just wrote above, one single thing can save MQM, and that would mean MQM is a traitor organisation and involved in the breakup of Pakistan, if UK does not push for the capture of Dr. Farooq's killers.
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
i can see you are hypocrite aswell and you are calling altaf hussain a pharos in my eyes he is the best leader in pakistan, the leader who doesnt want any power, money and land unlike others. start from nawaaz ***** who is a billionaire and owner of thousands of acres of land living like a king in palace the person who turn kargil victory into defeat, most coward leader of all time in pakistan history. now zardari famous for mr 10% everybody knows about him anyway, now the main culprit imran khan, lived his whole life in england drinking having affair with lots of girls illegitimate father of a seeta white daughter he is a true baigerrat, his wife has divorced him and besharam is still stay in his ex mother in law house whenever he comes to england. even though baigarrat khan knows his wife is seeing hugh grant after all this he wants to be the prime minister of pakistan, running a hospital on charity but not helping poor people at all. say no for aids from america and europe but yes for charity from america and europe totally visionless the idiot support taliban who are killing thouands of thousands of pakistani for that imran khan should be hanged by law and now you compare with altaf hussain, altaf hussain does not want to be a prime minster or president and living a very simple life in england, i know that because i live in england. the most honest leader never ever involved in corruption and always do good things for the people of pakistan, he want develop and successfull pakistan. so come out of your dream altaf hussain is a phenomenon, he want pakistani to be educated. ALTAF HUSSAIN ZNDABAD HAQ PARRAST ZINDABAD ZABARDAST ZABARDAST HAQ PARRAST HAQ PARRAST, MQM ZINDABAD PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.

You and magic write so much but don't say any thing!
Now that is magic!
 

humdaan

Senator (1k+ posts)
IMRAN KHAN RELAXING OUTSIDE PAKISTAN AND DUMB ******* IDIOT IMRAN KHAN SUPPORTER THINK HE WILL CHANGE PAKISTAN.
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IMRAN KHAN IN PAKISTAN... PRETENDING TO BE A CONCERNED POLITICIAN!!!! HOW ORIGINAL!!! HOW INNOCENT!!!







BECHARREY PTI SUPPORTERS!!



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gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I explained that when the British High Commissioner spoke that there is restriction on his movement.

I thought the high commissioner said 'there was no restriction on Mr. Hussein'? Did I hear it wrong?


Your analysis and predictions are very interesting and seems to be at par with the facts. Also, its quiet obvious from the fact that MQM elites in KHI are as quiet as dead horse. If there was even a least bit of hole in your theory, MQM would have taken out on streets, causing mass havoc such as burning, thor phor, wide spread killings and total anarchy.

Long live Zulfiqar Mirza. He may become a hero that never existed before his confessions under oath. And as a result he, once he becomes a her-dill-aziz hero, may form his own party to capitalize on his credit ratings, thus becoming a competitor of PPP, using his sincerity, and honesty as shown under oath.

may be he WILL be better that Zaradrai and Hussein. time will tell.
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
.........The ball is totally in British Court. There could be only one way MQM and AH can escape now.
It is dependent on the wishes of the British Government, how important it is for them to capture the killers of Farooq. If all the rumors and allegations are correct and AH is been used as a pawn for breakup of Pakistan. Then the British can decide that their main aim is more important than capture of Farooq's killers. In that case they may not push it and AH and MQM can get away with it. This is the only scenario which allows the survival of MQM. Zardari is not relevant in it. .........

What a rubbish and totally insane argument is this?
Mr. fake PhD. on Karachi: can you eloborate your point a little further that how did you establish and came up with the conclusion that MQM is a killer party of Imran Farooq?
What is your source of authenticity?
I think your information are based on the Londonpost and The Daily Ummat, so what is the credibilty of anything what you are talking about?

If British Govt. takes action or not, Zardari blackmails to MQM or not, AH will be allowed to do politics of Pakistan from British Soil or not.....These all are the matters after the investigations of Imran Farooq's murder are finalised and MQM is declared the main killer.

But before that all the accusations, rumors and predictions will be your inner filth against Muhajirs of Karachi.
You're not the only one in that group. All I can say all of you to just shut up and wait for the judgement.

But, unfortunately, if the verdict goes in your wish and will's favor then you will be happy, but if it goes agains your will, then you will have to come up with a new SHOSHA that British court give the verdict as per British govt. orders.
You have no cure Mr.
 
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