Women, Women, women

[QaiserMirza]

THE woman must do this, the woman must do that. She must cook the food, take care of children, and obey her husband at all costs! Does Islam really subjugate women like it is thought? Well the answer is plain and simple. NO! To think, some of us are getting too obsessed with women, and all our focus and criticism goes against them, but what about men? Without doubt there are many things that are upon the women that are in her benefit, however, there are just as many things upon men, but these are either ignored or just not talked about.

Firstly, we should understand that men and women are different and have different roles in Islam. Allah says in the Quran:

And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allah of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knower of everything. (Quran, 4:32)

In Islam, men have many responsibilities to fulfill towards women. The man must earn, provide for, clothe and shelter his wife, and he is not allowed to take the money she owns. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said that your wife has a right upon you (Al-Bukhari) and fulfilling this right is an indication of revering and fearing Allah. Man will be questioned if he fulfilled this duty. If he does not, then it is a clear act of disobedience to Allah and His Messenger.



So husbands, are we fulfilling our duty or are we disobeying our Lord?


Women play an important role towards the society. A mother who raises her children in accordance with the teachings of Islam is the backbone of society. Well-nurtured children are a basis for a strong community. Men should also play a part in the upbringing of the children. Yes, he has to go out and work, but there are 24 hours in a day and 168 hours in a week. Im sure most of us are not so busy; if we prudently manage our time, we can make positive contribution in their upbringing. Heres the question: How many men change nappies? How many men get up at night when the baby is crying? Very few I suppose.


How about dishes? When was the last time any of us men did the washing up? Why is it such a chore? After finishing dinner, what harm would it cause to pick up the plates and wash them? No instead, we eat to our fill, leave the plates where they are and take it for granted that our wives will do it. By helping around in washing dishes, changing nappies, and making our beds, our wives will only love us more.


The man also has a Hijab to observe. He must always lower his gaze. This is another aspect taken for granted. We have heard that we are not held to account for that one, unintentional, look. But some take it for granted to elongate it and make it one long look. We must fear Allah and observe proper Hijab. Men should also dress modestly. His clothes must show piety and his Awrah must not be displayed.


We also ignore dressing up for our wives. Ask yourselves, when was the last time you looked your best for your wife? It is expected from her to look after the kids, make the dinner, clean the house and look good for us, but what about us? If the food is not cooked when we come home or we dont like its taste, how do we react? Do we follow the Sunnah and keep silent without criticizing food?


We should follow the guidance of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in all areas of our lives, and that includes within our households. Women are our partners. When no one listens to our problems, our wives do. Lets start from today and make that change and surely the Prophets (peace be upon him) statement should be something for us to ponder on.



The best of you are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you with my wives (Ibn Hibban)

 

[Wadaich]

The pigs behind the scene!

Through the propaganda of so called women liberation, the capitalists (Zionists) are controlling the world.

i. This propaganda has dismantled the family structure of the west which has resulted in
a. Hypertension in the society.
b. Reduced birth rates.
c. Prostitution.
d. Cheap labor through women.
e. Disowning the religion (whichever one follows)
f. Disrespect of elders and establishment of old homes
g. No paternal or maternal affiliation/affection
h. A lucrative market for cosmetics and fashion industries
i. Directionless and non-ideological new generation which is an easy prey to the Zionists
j. Immoral music industry
k. Women is now commodity they can sell etc. etc.

 

[foqia khan]

Through the propaganda of so called women liberation, the capitalists (Zionists) are controlling the world.

i. This propaganda has dismantled the family structure of the west which has resulted in
a. Hypertension in the society.
b. Reduced birth rates.
c. Prostitution.
d. Cheap labor through women.
e. Disowning the religion (whichever one follows)
f. Disrespect of elders and establishment of old homes
g. No paternal or maternal affiliation/affection
h. A lucrative market for cosmetics and fashion industries
i. Directionless and non-ideological new generation which is an easy prey to the Zionists
j. Immoral music industry
k. Women is now commodity they can sell etc. etc.

How your points r related with the subject discussed in the thread ,would u care to elaborate on that !

 

[m_imran45]

This will keep on happening to women as we know that religion is MAN made....so there is no roam for women....its is Man's interpertation of life...There is lot of rants about pre islam women operssion ...but i think it was the same and Hazrat khadija i.e a successful business women was from that so called evil society.....

 

[wanderer]

Through the propaganda of so called women liberation, the capitalists (Zionists) are controlling the world.

i. This propaganda has dismantled the family structure of the west which has resulted in
a. Hypertension in the society.
b. Reduced birth rates.
c. Prostitution.
d. Cheap labor through women.
e. Disowning the religion (whichever one follows)
f. Disrespect of elders and establishment of old homes
g. No paternal or maternal affiliation/affection
h. A lucrative market for cosmetics and fashion industries
i. Directionless and non-ideological new generation which is an easy prey to the Zionists
j. Immoral music industry
k. Women is now commodity they can sell etc. etc.

assuming that u have posted this as a Pro factor to the original thread. I don't think the idea of the thread was to change the ways of Muslim women. They were stating facts of what is happening. Pakistan is the subject of discussion here. Pakistani women are being mistreated not all.. but A majority of them.

How many Pakistani men know that Islam says -

1) when a female (mother, wife, daughter,sister) cooks for them, she is actually doing u a favor ? It really isn't her birth duty to do. when she does that, please appretiate her effort and don't criticize it.

2) A Wife is entitled to live in a separate accommodation than the In-Laws house. A man does not have the right to FORCE his wife to look after his PARENTS.

( at the same time I have to say that..... A woman should look after her in-laws just because that they are equal to her own parents)

I can BET not many Pakistani men or women know of these two facts.

 

[Star Gazer]

The problem is that we rely on the Moulavi to interprate Islam for us and do not read it ourselves. How is it possible even to imagine for a millisecond that Allah who is the Creator of all, and most merciful and, most fair of all, will make woman less equal than man! What women need to do is to read about their rights and ask for them. Oh believe me they will be called names but then they have to stand up for themselves. In Pakistan sorry to say men are not fulfilling their moral obligations. Whatever we might try to do Allah's system is run by men at the forefront, so if men will take the courage to come out from hiding behind either their mother, wife ,sister and stand up for the moral and truth and sisters should also come out of the darkness of believing that they have to be less than honest for the Man either father,husband or brother or son is providing for them, for it is only Allah who can do so.

 

[Wadaich]

Perhaps a misunderstanding!

I totally agree with the thread initiator and brother Wanderer. What I meant was endorsement of the threat. I tried to explain the hypocrisy of the forces who say that the women is subjugated in islam, while the situation is the right opposite of it. I am sorry if I have hurt anybody's feeling.

 

[Rana Tahir Mahmood]

The main issue about the topic of this post is not Islamic or non-Islamic but the exploitation of woman by a male dominated society or culture. If we compare Islamic rules devised by the God for man and women and conveyed through the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) are the best set of rules to follow and create a balance society in each respect. But the problem is that the culture established since start of human being is a male dominated one and male subjugated the female faction of the society. As a reaction to such trend where woman has courage and wisdom tends to counter-act it and got out of proportion as we see in so called most liberal societies now a day.

Therefore, we should follow in our life the equal rights for man and women, as devised by Islam and do not suppress the women as they are integral part of our society and good guardian for future generation of mankind. If they will be treated fairly then they can better bring up the offspring and take part in creating a healthy society.

 

[greywolf]

Through the propaganda of so called women liberation, the capitalists (Zionists) are controlling the world.

i. This propaganda has dismantled the family structure of the west which has resulted in
a. Hypertension in the society.
b. Reduced birth rates.
c. Prostitution.
d. Cheap labor through women.
e. Disowning the religion (whichever one follows)
f. Disrespect of elders and establishment of old homes
g. No paternal or maternal affiliation/affection
h. A lucrative market for cosmetics and fashion industries
i. Directionless and non-ideological new generation which is an easy prey to the Zionists
j. Immoral music industry
k. Women is now commodity they can sell etc. etc.

no need to be apologetic ... you are spot on. Those who know history are embellished enough to know that same things started getting discussed in West and resulted in their women being show-case commodities.

I don't disagree that women are exploited in sub-continent especially but this has nothing to do with Islam. This menace came from indian rites and customs ... condition of women is not very different among indians and pakistanis. Then there is this problem of dowry, issue of Naan-naFiqah ... alimony, Haq e Meher, second marriage for men, problem of divorced or widowed women and such. All these issues are interrelated ... and has nothing to do with Islamic society. Equality among genders does not mean that women should go out with skimpy clothes ... equality among gender also does not mean that a husband can beat up his wife whenever he wants for his own perverted reasons ...

Today this concept of mathematical equality in West has sowed deep a seed of destitution, deprivation and loneliness among Western females. They can have as many boyfriends as long as they are healthy, young and beautiful or at least appealing ... once past that age ... they yearn for a male to take care of them. But surely western media would never project this bumper failure of their social fiber like many others. On the contrary ... in East it is still Man who is liable to provide for his family, his women, wife, daughter and sisters even mothers ... but the wrongs should be corrected with education. No body can correct a wrong with another wrong ... a tried, tested and failed system need not be referred to ...

You wanna bring it under Islam's fold ... alright ... Islam also provides man undeniable right to four marriages and I wonder what women would have to say to this. If a man thinks he is providing way more than is needed for one wife ... and he can cut it in half to marry another time ... I am sure, people will bring out with many excuses and hurdles ... providing non-proofs from Islamic teachings.

and one thing you missed out in mentioning in above clauses :

to leave your upcoming generations in the hands of baby-sitters, nannies ... until finally you don't feel anything for those kids and could have them as a bastard race in West.

 

[wanderer]

no need to be apologetic ... you are spot on. Those who know history are embellished enough to know that same things started getting discussed in West and resulted in their women being show-case commodities.

I don't disagree that women are exploited in sub-continent especially but this has nothing to do with Islam. This menace came from indian rites and customs ... condition of women is not very different among indians and pakistanis. Then there is this problem of dowry, issue of Naan-naFiqah ... alimony, Haq e Meher, second marriage for men, problem of divorced or widowed women and such. All these issues are interrelated ... and has nothing to do with Islamic society. Equality among genders does not mean that women should go out with skimpy clothes ... equality among gender also does not mean that a husband can beat up his wife whenever he wants for his own perverted reasons ...

Today this concept of mathematical equality in West has sowed deep a seed of destitution, deprivation and loneliness among Western females. They can have as many boyfriends as long as they are healthy, young and beautiful or at least appealing ... once past that age ... they yearn for a male to take care of them. But surely western media would never project this bumper failure of their social fiber like many others. On the contrary ... in East it is still Man who is liable to provide for his family, his women, wife, daughter and sisters even mothers ... but the wrongs should be corrected with education. No body can correct a wrong with another wrong ... a tried, tested and failed system need not be referred to ...

You wanna bring it under Islam's fold ... alright ... Islam also provides man undeniable right to four marriages and I wonder what women would have to say to this. If a man thinks he is providing way more than is needed for one wife ... and he can cut it in half to marry another time ... I am sure, people will bring out with many excuses and hurdles ... providing non-proofs from Islamic teachings.

and one thing you missed out in mentioning in above clauses :

to leave your upcoming generations in the hands of baby-sitters, nannies ... until finally you don't feel anything for those kids and could have them as a bastard race in West.

Firstly wadaich - I'm not "Brother" wanderer. Who can I blame but my self for not making it obvious of being a female.

Greywolf - Islam says alota things many which MEN or WOMEN don't follow. Yes being a female I am going to ask u about the 4 marriages rule here. There are reasons MEN are allowed to marry 4 times, there are consequences. One cannot marry again and again, just because they are financially well set ! In PAKISTAN men marry secretly if not openly at a whim. Men have affairs in this Islamic republic of Pakistan. When men like these are brought in the open they have their FEMALE relatives covering up or answering for them. In the end what happens is MEN of Islamic Republic of Pakistan scream Sharia Laws and prove that they are entitled to it. They forget that on the day of Judgment they have to obviously ANSWER how equal they were with the wives they had. One two, three doesn't matter, a MAN has to be equal in all aspects of his relationship with the wives financially, mentally, spiritually, physically etc etc

So answer this Mr Greywolf - Which Human Man in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is CAPABLE of being just and fair to anyone for that matter?

Islam is in fact complete as a religion. No one can question it, nothing in it, the rules, regulations, facts, gifts, opportunities, laws etc etc.. Before anyone misunderstands my post let me Say it again "I believe if Muslims follow what the religion says without bending and twisting it for their own needs as per situations, then no one would be Victim to any misuse."

 

[wanderer]

Sticking to the thread - I don't think the tread starter was comparing the east women to the western lifestyle.

 

[hassam]

THE woman must do this, the woman must do that. She must cook the food, take care of children, and obey her husband at all costs! Does Islam really subjugate women like it is thought? Well the answer is plain and simple. NO! To think, some of us are getting too obsessed with women, and all our focus and criticism goes against them, but what about men? Without doubt there are many things that are upon the women that are in her benefit, however, there are just as many things upon men, but these are either ignored or just not talked about.

Firstly, we should understand that men and women are different and have different roles in Islam. Allah says in the Qur’an:

“And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allah of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knower of everything.” (Qur’an, 4:32)

In Islam, men have many responsibilities to fulfill towards women. The man must earn, provide for, clothe and shelter his wife, and he is not allowed to take the money she owns. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said that your wife has a right upon you (Al-Bukhari) and fulfilling this right is an indication of revering and fearing Allah. Man will be questioned if he fulfilled this duty. If he does not, then it is a clear act of disobedience to Allah and His Messenger.



So husbands, are we fulfilling our duty or are we disobeying our Lord?


Women play an important role towards the society. A mother who raises her children in accordance with the teachings of Islam is the backbone of society. Well-nurtured children are a basis for a strong community. Men should also play a part in the upbringing of the children. Yes, he has to go out and work, but there are 24 hours in a day and 168 hours in a week. I’m sure most of us are not so busy; if we prudently manage our time, we can make positive contribution in their upbringing. Here’s the question: How many men change nappies? How many men get up at night when the baby is crying? Very few I suppose.


How about dishes? When was the last time any of us men did the washing up? Why is it such a chore? After finishing dinner, what harm would it cause to pick up the plates and wash them? No instead, we eat to our fill, leave the plates where they are and take it for granted that our wives will do it. By helping around in washing dishes, changing nappies, and making our beds, our wives will only love us more.


The man also has a Hijab to observe. He must always lower his gaze. This is another aspect taken for granted. We have heard that we are not held to account for that one, unintentional, look. But some take it for granted to elongate it and make it ‘one long look.’ We must fear Allah and observe proper Hijab. Men should also dress modestly. His clothes must show piety and his Awrah must not be displayed.


We also ignore dressing up for our wives. Ask yourselves, when was the last time you looked your best for your wife? It is expected from her to look after the kids, make the dinner, clean the house and look good for us, but what about us? If the food is not cooked when we come home or we don’t like its taste, how do we react? Do we follow the Sunnah and keep silent without criticizing food?


We should follow the guidance of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in all areas of our lives, and that includes within our households. Women are our partners. When no one listens to our problems, our wives do. Let’s start from today and make that change and surely the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) statement should be something for us to ponder on.



“The best of you are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you with my wives‚ – (Ibn Hibban)

very good post.100% in agreement.

Men of our society are hypocrite. When it comes to take the lead they call women weak and and take the lead and then they treat them like slaves, oppress them and blame them for everything that goes wrong. Our society need a big reform. People think that a man who is strict on women is more pious. Althought Islam teaches us the other way around.

 

[greywolf]

Greywolf - Islam says alota things many which MEN or WOMEN don't follow. Yes being a female I am going to ask u about the 4 marriages rule here. There are reasons MEN are allowed to marry 4 times, there are consequences. One cannot marry again and again, just because they are financially well set !

Yes they can sister. Because it is the only thing a woman can claim irregularity among wives against her husband that she was not getting equal rights. If a man is financially set and want to remarry ... I don't think he can have an inhibition.

In PAKISTAN men marry secretly if not openly at a whim.

Dear sister ... men and women marry ... since you are advocating equality among men and women ... you can't say that a Man marries a woman ... they both marry each other.

Men have affairs in this Islamic republic of Pakistan. When men like these are brought in the open they have their FEMALE relatives covering up or answering for them. In the end what happens is MEN of Islamic Republic of Pakistan scream Sharia Laws and prove that they are entitled to it.

Affairs ? with who ? transvestites ... or women ? As for their screaming for Sharia Laws ... sister ... that is not something about Man or men in specific ... every body tries to use some help from Islamic rules of law. Ain't women claiming equality on WRONG TERMS and seek support from Islamic rules of law ... while they are not clearly there upto the extent they claim.

They forget that on the day of Judgment they have to obviously ANSWER how equal they were with the wives they had. One two, three doesn't matter, a MAN has to be equal in all aspects of his relationship with the wives financially, mentally, spiritually, physically etc etc

While I mostly agree with this part ... however, let me correct you that spiritually and physically and mentally is not included in the conditions ... you have a wrong perception. Man is not bound to think of his wife he is attending ... he can still fantasize about the one he is not with. Second, Man can love one wife a bit more than the other or the rest ... there is no such compulsion in Sharia. Thirdly, physically too, it is not a compulsion. It does not compulsive for a man that he should cohabit with his second wife just because he had cohabited with his first ... man can take a break. Financially yes, but if a man earns 100,000 and has one wife ... while such an amount is excessive for one family ... he can remarry and break his earnings equally between the two ... thats what the rule is. It is not mandatory for him to increase his earning upto 200,000 to qualify to marry again.

So answer this Mr Greywolf - Which Human Man in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is CAPABLE of being just and fair to anyone for that matter?

You are prejudiced sissy ... Human Man ... eh ? Tell me if there is a Human Woman who can claim 100% chastity and modesty ?

 

[wanderer]

Yes they can sister. Because it is the only thing a woman can claim irregularity among wives against her husband that she was not getting equal rights. If a man is financially set and want to remarry ... I don't think he can have an inhibition.



Dear sister ... men and women marry ... since you are advocating equality among men and women ... you can't say that a Man marries a woman ... they both marry each other.



Affairs ? with who ? transvestites ... or women ? As for their screaming for Sharia Laws ... sister ... that is not something about Man or men in specific ... every body tries to use some help from Islamic rules of law. Ain't women claiming equality on WRONG TERMS and seek support from Islamic rules of law ... while they are not clearly there upto the extent they claim.




While I mostly agree with this part ... however, let me correct you that spiritually and physically and mentally is not included in the conditions ... you have a wrong perception. Man is not bound to think of his wife he is attending ... he can still fantasize about the one he is not with. Second, Man can love one wife a bit more than the other or the rest ... there is no such compulsion in Sharia. Thirdly, physically too, it is not a compulsion. It does not compulsive for a man that he should cohabit with his second wife just because he had cohabited with his first ... man can take a break. Financially yes, but if a man earns 100,000 and has one wife ... while such an amount is excessive for one family ... he can remarry and break his earnings equally between the two ... thats what the rule is. It is not mandatory for him to increase his earning upto 200,000 to qualify to marry again.




You are prejudiced sissy ... Human Man ... eh ? Tell me if there is a Human Woman who can claim 100% chastity and modesty ?

u took it a whole other level... Brother !

 

[awan4ever]

There are a billion issues to solve regarding womens rights in our country and a billion more that need to be taught to men of our society but all men can think of is 4 wives!

Great priorities!

Good luck!

 

[Raaz]

THE woman must do this, the woman must do that. She must cook the food, take care of children, and obey her husband at all costs! Does Islam really subjugate women like it is thought? Well the answer is plain and simple. NO! To think, some of us are getting too obsessed with women, and all our focus and criticism goes against them, but what about men? Without doubt there are many things that are upon the women that are in her benefit, however, there are just as many things upon men, but these are either ignored or just not talked about.

Firstly, we should understand that men and women are different and have different roles in Islam. Allah says in the Qur’an

[/SIZE]

I totally agree with u .

There is a common misunderstanding about men and women in us, west has not understood it yet.....Islam has cleared it, if we could understand.

The Men and Women are not identical but they are equal. Just like your Two Lips....

Same as a man and his kid...

Kid has less physical power , so needs attention with sympathy. But has same rights.

Same is wth woman....Allah Tala has given her a great job of next generation. So needs to be handle nicely....and gently

 

[thinkahead]

Nice thread

Though it is hard, we have to agree with the thread initiator because the facts can not be changed by simply disagreeing them. In our society, women are mistreated and deprived of their islamic and in some cases even human rights.

I think it is not a matter of equality of the men and women rather a simple matter of doing your job faithfully while extending all possible help to your partner. Just come out of your own narrow scope and have a birdeye view; we are a society, living togather and depends on each other; let's make a better life for each other.

 

[Faiza]

I want to congratulate the person who decides to write some thing about women’s right in Islam. God bless you.

 

[gazoomartian]

Gazoo doesn't like the topic, so he will sit in the corner watch all these poster engaged in cross firings. (not listening)

 

[wanderer]

Yes they can sister. Because it is the only thing a woman can claim irregularity among wives against her husband that she was not getting equal rights. If a man is financially set and want to remarry ... I don't think he can have an inhibition.

There is not a THINKING game here, there are rules and ONE has to follow them. Finance is not what religion says only. there are other things involved. U are saying this with 100% assurance. U wanna post up saying and quotes to go with that ???

Dear sister ... men and women marry ... since you are advocating equality among men and women ... you can't say that a Man marries a woman ... they both marry each other.

I guess u misunderstood again ! My post was PRO women. But I Did not cry VICTIM. I said women are equally responsible for where they are right now. Why are u stating obvious facts here, Men and women are a couple that's common knowledge. The secrecy was my point ONLY !!! Do u have any idea HOW many guys have SECRET 2nd wives ??


Affairs ? with who ? transvestites ... or women ? As for their screaming for Sharia Laws ... sister ... that is not something about Man or men in specific ... every body tries to use some help from Islamic rules of law. Ain't women claiming equality on WRONG TERMS and seek support from Islamic rules of law ... while they are not clearly there up to the extent they claim.

See here I'm not saying whose fault it is.. It was what happens in this Pakistani society. That's all. Just because MEN are messed up I am not asking women to do the same or vice verse. U are comparing their faults I'm just stating them. Its not a war of who can be Bad-er.




While I mostly agree with this part ... however, let me correct you that spiritually and physically and mentally is not included in the conditions ... you have a wrong perception. Man is not bound to think of his wife he is attending ... he can still fantasize about the one he is not with. Second, Man can love one wife a bit more than the other or the rest ... there is no such compulsion in Sharia. Thirdly, physically too, it is not a compulsion. It does not compulsive for a man that he should cohabit with his second wife just because he had cohabited with his first ... man can take a break. Financially yes, but if a man earns 100,000 and has one wife ... while such an amount is excessive for one family ... he can remarry and break his earnings equally between the two ... thats what the rule is. It is not mandatory for him to increase his earning upto 200,000 to qualify to marry again.

I guess U might need to look at that again. Coz something isnt right !!!


You are prejudiced sissy ... Human Man ... eh ? Tell me if there is a Human Woman who can claim 100% chastity and modesty ?

Majority of them of the previous generation and some of this generations.


SOOO, how many men who read the post KNOW the two points I mentioned ??? NONE ??