imrankhan0 said:
har bardi company ya organisation jab phans jati hay to ek escape goat dhondti hay. or hamari army ko mil gaya hay escape goat musharaf. Ek musharaf agar ghalat tha to pori army hath par hath rakhay bethi rahi.
or chaloo man liya ke ek COAS itna barda blunder kar sakta hay to mere bhayee mujhay ye batao ke phir to army ko khud amry chief ki powers kam kar de ni chahiyain. jab ek admi pora mulk barbad kar sakta hay and theres nothing that anyone can do about it.
or me jawanon ko kuch nahin kehta lekin har army officer zimidar hay pakistan ki is sorat-e-hal ka,
or yaar politicians kon lata hay ye bhi sab ko pata hay, kaisay shareef logon ko ISI anay nahin de ti politics me kiun ke woh black mail nahin ho saktay, corrupt ppl are easy to blackmail thats why army brings them up. pakistan me ek politician bata dain jo barda leader bana bagher Army ki sirparasti ke. because in return they want military supremicy.
or sirf waziristan chordo, swat chordo, 1971 me bengalion ke sath jo harkatain ki woh harkatain musalman chordo koi insan bhi nahin karta. jo 1992 me apnay musalman bhayion ke sath karachi me kiya jis ki baad me compensation di woh bhi janat ke darwaza nahin kholnay wali. zia saab ne jo extrimist organisation ko establish kiya kiun ke free ke sildiers chahiye thay jin ko defence me plots na de de pardian woh sab kiya tha. khud kiun nahin gayee afghanistan me os zamanay me ye jihadis kiun peda kiye, kiun in ko bola ke tumharay pass authority hay.
jis angel se, jis rukh se, jis investigation ko karoo, jo bhi research karoo, tareekh dekho, dark future ki taraf dekho. har gandi cheez ki roots me army hi nazar ati hay. jee han har pakistan me bori cheez ki roots me army nazar ati hay, chahay woh aslay ka aam hona ho, ya drugs ka karobar ho, ya ort on ko america ke hathon bechna ho, ya bachon ko kidnap kar ke arab pohnchana ho hamesha hamesha hamesha investigation a kar army par rukti hay.
or ye sab kis base par, is base par ke ham ne tumhay india se bachaya howa hay. bhayee jan india se to bachaya howa hay, hamay aap se kon bachaye ga. kharday howe thay do char loog khoon bahatay howe jo nishani hay shaeed ki qqabar me chalay gaye, jaisay ke lal masjid ke qazi saab.
bohot dil chata ke pasand karon apni fauj ko, lekin os ka ek hi tareeqa hay ke akhbar pardhna chord don, or TV badn kaar don, or pakistani bands ke ganay sonon jo woh isn liye banatay hain kiun ke on ko kisi army function par ganay ke 50 hazar rupay mil jayain gay
Merey pyaray bhai ,aap ki sub batein aik jaga lekin aap ko in logon ki taqat ka andaza nahi hai. Ye sara system inhi logon le liye bana hai ,akela banda ya kuch loag en ka kuch nahi bigar sakte.
Let me tell you brother i have lived my entire adult life with these people and while i maybe young i have seen first hand who they are and how they live. These guys are just people like you and me ,they have families and do theirs jobs as they are meant to , they have fights and internal politics,they desire things like you and me,they try to get rich ,have careers ,raise their kdis properly and show off and drink and smoke like the rest of us. The brigadiers and majors and captains dont have much power compared to those that out rank them, and when they stand alone against people of higher rank they get treated like dogs.
One of my friends dad is navy commando and he was a captain 8 years ago and he is still a captain ,why because he had a run in with a superior...and these words i heard from his own mouth. We were practically like family when we were kids, and when i was at his sisters birthday i met 2 retired navy cheifs at his sisters birthday one of them belonged ot their family. If they can treat a navy commando who has contacts with ex navy chiefs what do you think they would do to the regular folk who have no contacts and are just doing their job like you and me,let me tell you. These institutions are also run by families and groups and parties.
One of my other friends, not so close to me but very close to my best friend who is in the navy as we speak, this guys dad was a brigadier in 2006. He had a run in with either musharraf or his wife at a party, he and his driver were found death while driving home late night with 3 bullets in his chest. He had 4 children and a wife and parents. His driver im sure had people who used to rely on him for their bread and butter. If they can kill a brigadier this easily what about the majors and lieutenants and captians.
The real power is with the higher ups , they are the ones that give the orders ,they are the ones that control the foot soldiers.
One of my other friend whose dad was a corp commander in quetta during the time of musharraf(2007/8) flatout refused to obey musharrafs orders to fire and shoot into civil areas.This friend is also now in the army. There are those who stand up against presidents and COAS but they need alot of help.
In 2006 the corp commanders turned on musharraf and tried to oust him ie a coup which was foiled by musharraf. So its not like they do not try ,its just that they fail to achieve anything before its too late.40 people were arrested and they were all middle ranking officers and some of them were sons of brigadiers.40 people!!!
Im sure you have heard retired officers complain how musharraf lied to them and tricked them and they had no idea that our bases were being used by the americans. This is because a guy working in peshawar doesnt know whats going on in kharian or chaklala and vise versa.
I had a friend whose dad retired as the air commador or however u spell it, he was at one time the provorce marshal of pakistan .This is the guy who is incharge of the military police and he can have anyone civil or army picked up beaten , killed , tortured and no one would even know and even if they did know no one would be able to do anything about it. And he only takes his orders fromt he higher ups not the people lower down the laders. The real job of the ISI is to spy on the people of the armed forces. They even know whose wife is cheating and whose husband drinks and that is not an exaguration. Their real job is to keep a check on the armed forces of pakistan which they do very well.
I am no fan or the army ,especially when i see how some of them think they own pakistan like its a T shirt. The police is not allowed to ID lowly cadets even let alone the higher ups, the cadets are not allowed to disobey an order of their seniors. I know a bit about these things and i assure u i hate them more than you. You have already contradicted ur self by given examples of 71 and 92. When people stood up against the army in bang close to 3 million died by bengali estimates. In 92 15000 died by MQM estimates. If they can kill 15000 people in a local 3000 miles away what makes u think they cannot assassinate people in their head quarters and bases ?? If they can hang a president what makes u think a hand full of brigadiers can do anything ??
I understand ur frustration and hatred but coming here and saying all these things is not the way to go , i am completely with you that the army needs to put on a tight leash . But that will not happen this way, we need to present a united front to the army and the rest of the world that enough is enough and it is the politicians that need to do that not us. We voted of them and they have our backing ,coming here and bad mouthing the army is only helping the indian propagandist machines destroy and weaken the army. We want our army to act like our army and not like our masters ,but we need a strong army to protect us from becoming total slaves of the indians ,americans and jews that do no like the fact that we have weapons taht can destroy them. We need our army to be strong so we dont end up like afghanistan( no offence , i mean the american feet on ground). So once again agree, put the army on a leash but dont weaken it otherwise people like you and me will need to pick up arms to defend our country and family.
I hope you understand what im trying to say dont be disheartened and frustrated ,highs and lows are a fact of life 20 years from now we will be fighting about something else if we are here.
Our problem is that our people are very passive , untill the people stand up and take control of thsi country ,the sincere generals politicians and activists cannot do anything.Like i said this system was custom made for them, its like you and me playing a game of squash except i have tied up both ur arms and legs and ur blind, even if i give u ten blind and shackled partners ull still lose.
