Why Pakistan is immortal, PAKISTAN LA ZAWAAL Q HEY ....!

[Ahud1]

 

[scholar]

:thank: for passing good information :jazak::mash:..... (jhanda).....:yes:

 

[Believer12]

اسی لیے مولویوں کو یہ نام دکھتا تھا اور اسکو پلیدستان کھتے تھے
انکو ھندوستان اچھا لگتا تھا اور غریب مسلمانوں کو قائداعظم کا پاکستان
مذھبی لیڈرز ھار گئے اور عوام اور قائداعظم جیت گئے۔
ھندوستان کے ھندو پنڈتوں کے جگری یار آج بھی انکی یاد میں سروں پر پیلے کپڑے لپیٹتے ھیں گاندھی جی کو مھاتما کا لقب دینے والے علما دیوبند آج بھی پاکستان کو اندر سے کھا رھے ھیں جیسے لکڑی کو اند ر سے گھن کھاتا ھے ویسے ھی یہ مزھبی لیڈرز پاکستان کو کھا رھے ھیں۔​

 

[aka DURRANI]

atleast the force behind ur speculation must be a positive one... i like it alot... yes pakistan is madina-e-saani... ruled by the "abdullah bin ubai faction" yet...

 

[aka DURRANI]

اسی لیے مولویوں کو یہ نام دکھتا تھا اور اسکو پلیدستان کھتے تھے
انکو ھندوستان اچھا لگتا تھا اور غریب مسلمانوں کو قائداعظم کا پاکستان
مذھبی لیڈرز ھار گئے اور عوام اور قائداعظم جیت گئے۔
ھندوستان کے ھندو پنڈتوں کے جگری یار آج بھی انکی یاد میں سروں پر پیلے کپڑے لپیٹتے ھیں گاندھی جی کو مھاتما کا لقب دینے والے علما دیوبند آج بھی پاکستان کو اندر سے کھا رھے ھیں جیسے لکڑی کو اند ر سے گھن کھاتا ھے ویسے ھی یہ مزھبی لیڈرز پاکستان کو کھا رھے ھیں۔​

or aap ko kis baat ka ghamm khaye ja raha hay... live ur life with tolerance which u speak of... molvis of that time had their own idea... i think difference of openion exists among humans... isnt it???

rest leave this topic k kon pakistan ko ghunn ki tarah kha raha hay... time has to decide it yet??? in ur openion its ulema of deoband... in my view, the so called liberals following the egyptian liberal example are the main culprit... so who has to decide it??? so plz dont mention the disputed speculations over here... as no one is judge here on the forum...

and more brotherly advice... agar to the point comment zehn-e-rasaa main na aa raha ho tou sirf "like" ya "dislike" pe guzara kar lia karain... meherbani hogi... dont try to sell ur personal grudges to everyone...

 

[drkjke]

اسی لیے مولویوں کو یہ نام دکھتا تھا اور اسکو پلیدستان کھتے تھے
انکو ھندوستان اچھا لگتا تھا اور غریب مسلمانوں کو قائداعظم کا پاکستان
مذھبی لیڈرز ھار گئے اور عوام اور قائداعظم جیت گئے۔
ھندوستان کے ھندو پنڈتوں کے جگری یار آج بھی انکی یاد میں سروں پر پیلے کپڑے لپیٹتے ھیں گاندھی جی کو مھاتما کا لقب دینے والے علما دیوبند آج بھی پاکستان کو اندر سے کھا رھے ھیں جیسے لکڑی کو اند ر سے گھن کھاتا ھے ویسے ھی یہ مزھبی لیڈرز پاکستان کو کھا رھے ھیں۔​

so ppl like you who worship "dead people" are the true deserving Pakistanis.and all deobandi salfis are enemies of pakistan..I did not know that before.thanks for enlightening me.lol

 

[Muhkam]

i think sectarian debate is not allowed on this forum..y do admins/mods allow ppl (like bro Believer12 who often tries to troll by such remarks) to post such comments which will surely incite sectarianism.

 

[drkjke]

as for saying that Pakistan is immortal...I have not even an iota of hesitation in saying that its wrong to say such things.because even kaaba will fall near qayamat...its the shirk within us who makes us believe that we are stronger than even our creator..............................................................read sura rehman ﴿كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فَانٍ ﴾
(Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish.) ﴿وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلْـلِ وَالإِكْرَامِ ﴾
(And the Face of your Lord Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram will remain forever.)'' This Ayah is similar to Allah's statement,
﴿كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلاَّ وَجْهَهُ﴾
(Everything will perish save His Face.)(28:88) In this Ayah, Allah describes His Noble Face as being Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, indicating that He is Worthy of being revered, and thus, never defied; and obeyed, and thus, never disobeyed,
﴿وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِىِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ﴾
(And keep yourself patiently with those who call on their Lord morning and afternoon, seeking His Face.)(18:28), And as He said about those giving charity:
﴿إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُكُمْ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ﴾
(We feed you seeking Allah's Face only.)(76:9) Ibn `Abbas commented on the meaning of Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, by saying, "Owner of greatness and pride.'' After Allah stated that all of the inhabitants of the earth will die and end up in the Hereafter when He, Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, will judge them by His fair judgement, He said,

 

[Believer12]

 

[drkjke]

Aur Ch Rehmat Ali Qadyani tha

Qadyanion ne puri koshish ki ke Pakistan Kabhi na banay

lekin jab Qadyanion ko Yakeen ho gaya k ab Pakistan har keemat par bannay , Tab Ch Rehmat Ali manzar e aam per aaya aur Pakistan ka naam Tajweez kia

In Qadyanion ne Puri duniya ko Pakistan ki Fiinal monents per yeh Baawar karwanay ki koshish ki ke Jaise Yehi Loog hain Jo Pakistan banane k liye Tadap Rahe thay

Jab ke Haqeeqat is ke bilkul opposite hain

Haqeeqat yeh hai ke In Paleet Qadyanion ne apni Jaan Larra di ke Chahay kuch bhi par Pakistan kabhi na kabhi

Aur Phir Jab Pakistan ban gaya to In Paleetiyon ne Jo kuch Pakistan ke saath kia , Woh aik Allag Dukh bhari Dastaan hai

chaudery rehmat ilahi sir syed ahmed khan etc all were not good muslims...sir syed ahmed went so far as to claim that the jinns mentioned in quran is wrong..if we believe in such things people will laugh!and now even west believes in jinnaat!syed ahmed to please west even was willing to change quran ,like people at present

 

[samkhan]

احد بھائی، پاکستان سے محبت اپنی جگہ مگر مدینہ ثانی والی بات کچھ زیادہ ہی ہو گئی ہے :) مدینہ اگر مقدس ہے تو اسکی وجہ جناب رسول اللہ pbuh کا شہر ہونا ہے. بے شک اپنے ملک کی محبت میں ہم اسے مدینہ ثانی کہہ دیں مگر آج کل بحیثیت مجموئی ہماری قوم کی جو حرکتیں ہیں اس نے اس پیارے ملک کو پلیدستان بنا دیا ہے. اگر کسی شخص کا نام محمد ہو یا حسین ہو تو وہ محض نام کی بنیاد پر پاک یا قابل احترام نہیں ہو جاتا. بات تو تب ہے کہ اسکے اعمال بھی محمد pbuh اور حضرت حسین :razi: یا دیگر صحابہ کرام جیسے ہوں

 

[drkjke]

I guess you peoples ideal mullah is fazal krim and his son hamid rteza.lol.whose anniversary bash yesterday was presided over by famous alcoholic ppp senator faisal reza abidi.faisal reza abidi said that fazal krim was icon of our age and was killed by poisoning by Taliban or something .lol...this is same fazal krim who admitted taking dollars from American embassy for taking out processions against Taliban throughout Pakistan...this is the real face of grave worshipers and grave dancers who have twisted the real face of islam

 

[Believer12]

i think sectarian debate is not allowed on this forum..y do admins/mods allow ppl (like bro Believer12 who often tries to troll by such remarks) to post such comments which will surely incite sectarianism.

and you are cliking like on the post of drkjke which is based on hatered, sectarianism and abusive. what a judjement look at your self first.

 

[Muhkam]

so ppl like you who worship "dead people" are the true deserving Pakistanis.and all deobandi salfis are enemies of pakistan..I did not know that before.thanks for enlightening me.lol

as for saying that Pakistan is immortal...I have not even an iota of hesitation in saying that its wrong to say such things.because even kaaba will fall near qayamat...its the shirk within us who makes us believe that we are stronger than even our creator..............................................................read sura rehman ﴿كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فَانٍ ﴾
(Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish.) do not stop, ,
﴿وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلْـلِ وَالإِكْرَامِ ﴾
(And the Face of your Lord Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram will remain forever.)'' This Ayah is similar to Allah's statement,
﴿كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلاَّ وَجْهَهُ﴾
(Everything will perish save His Face.)(28:88) In this Ayah, Allah describes His Noble Face as being Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, indicating that He is Worthy of being revered, and thus, never defied; and obeyed, and thus, never disobeyed,
﴿وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِىِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ﴾
(And keep yourself patiently with those who call on their Lord morning and afternoon, seeking His Face.)(18:28), And as He said about those giving charity:
﴿إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُكُمْ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ﴾
(We feed you seeking Allah's Face only.)(76:9) Ibn `Abbas commented on the meaning of Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, by saying, "Owner of greatness and pride.'' After Allah stated that all of the inhabitants of the earth will die and end up in the Hereafter when He, Dhul-Jalal wal-Ikram, will judge them by His fair judgement, He said,

Aur Ch Rehmat Ali Qadyani tha

Qadyanion ne puri koshish ki ke Pakistan Kabhi na banay

lekin jab Qadyanion ko Yakeen ho gaya k ab Pakistan har keemat par bannay ga , Tab Ch Rehmat Ali manzar e aam per aaya aur Pakistan ka naam Tajweez kia

In Qadyanion ne Puri duniya ko Pakistan ki Fiinal moments per yeh Baawar karwanay ki koshish ki ke Jaise Yehi Loog hain Jo Pakistan banane k liye Tadap Rahe thay

Jab ke Haqeeqat is ke bilkul opposite hai

Haqeeqat yeh hai ke In Paleet Qadyanion ne apni Jaan Larra di ke Chahay kuch bhi ho , par Pakistan kabhi na banay

Aur Phir Jab Pakistan ban gaya to In Paleetiyon ne Jo kuch Pakistan ke saath kia , Woh aik Allag Dukh bhari Dastaan hai

chaudery rehmat ilahi sir syed ahmed khan etc all were not good muslims...sir syed ahmed went so far as to claim that the jinns mentioned in quran is wrong..if we believe in such things people will laugh!and now even west believes in jinnaat!syed ahmed to please west even was willing to change quran ,like people at present

I guess you peoples ideal mullah is fazal krim and his son hamid rteza.lol.whose anniversary bash yesterday was presided over by famous alcoholic ppp senator faisal reza abidi.faisal reza abidi said that fazal krim was icon of our age and was killed by poisoning by Taliban or something .lol...this is same fazal krim who admitted taking dollars from American embassy for taking out processions against Taliban throughout Pakistan...this is the real face of grave worshipers and grave dancers who have twisted the real face of islam

Purpose of this thread was to get united. I think instead of getting engaged in this debate we should protest against the one who started hatred n is trying to derail us. We have many serious issues to talk on.

Admins/mods..please stop this.

 

[Humi]

there is no such thing as immortal on this planet!

 

[drkjke]

Purpose of this thread was to get united. I think instead of getting engaged in this debate we should protest against the one who started hatred n is trying to derail us. We have many serious issues to talk on.

Admins/mods..please stop this.

healthy devbate is ok ..but whos taerted toa buse who here?and you claim that Pakistan is immortal.but allah says in quran that only face of Allah will remain.everything wuill perish...so is quran wrong or you people here? you know such minor things sometime nullify iman...similar mentality makes people worship graves.no one is eual to Allah.this is the soul of islam,if we leave this than we will be defeated.

 

[drkjke]

anyway ignore the sectarian minded people.the op of this thread answer me what is meaning of following verses of quran.(or arew e like modern muslims and don't believe in it anymore?) below is sura rehmans ayat number 26 to ayat number 35. All that is on earth is to perish.and there is abiding for ever is the Entity of your Lord Majestic and Venerable.
Which then, of the favours of your Lord will you deny?to Him beg all that are in the heavens and in the earth Every day, He has a work.
Which then, of the favours of your Lord will you deny?
Soon after finishing all works We proceed to your reckoning, O you two heavy groups.
Which then, of the favours of your Lord will you deny?
'O Company of Jinn and men, if you can that you may go out of the boundaries of the heavens and the earththen do go. Wherever you will go, His is the Kingdom.
Which then, of the favours of your Lord will you deny?
On you shall be loosed the flame of the fire without smoke and black smoke without flame, then you could notbe able to take revenge.

 

[drkjke]

so Allah says in quran that everything (even angels) will perish after doomsday (and later reserructed if and when Allah wills).and Allah says that only face of Allah subhanahu will remain.....in this ayat there is message to those who have made false gods ,and who worship graves and worldly idols...that none except Allah is worthy of worship and no one is mushkil kusha or prayers listener than Allah alone.and I have nothing more to say here now

 

[Believer12]

hey you illiterate ...you supported the qadiani abdusalaam in previous thread,.so are you lahori group mirzai or qadiani group?

میں ھر محب وطن پاکستانی جس نے پاکستان کی کسی بھی رنگ میں خدمت کی ھو اس کو سپورٹ کیا سلام کرتا ھوں اور جو میرے ملک کو بموں سے اڑا رھے ھیں خواھ وھ کسی بھی مذھب سے تعلق رکھتے ھوں میں ان سے ھمدردی اور دھشت گردوں سے نفرت کرتا ھوں

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[scholar]

اسی لیے مولویوں کو یہ نام دکھتا تھا اور اسکو پلیدستان کھتے تھے
انکو ھندوستان اچھا لگتا تھا اور غریب مسلمانوں کو قائداعظم کا پاکستان
مذھبی لیڈرز ھار گئے اور عوام اور قائداعظم جیت گئے۔
ھندوستان کے ھندو پنڈتوں کے جگری یار آج بھی انکی یاد میں سروں پر پیلے کپڑے لپیٹتے ھیں گاندھی جی کو مھاتما کا لقب دینے والے علما دیوبند آج بھی پاکستان کو اندر سے کھا رھے ھیں جیسے لکڑی کو اند ر سے گھن کھاتا ھے ویسے ھی یہ مزھبی لیڈرز پاکستان کو کھا رھے ھیں۔​

میں دیو بندی تو نہیں مگر میں سب مسلمانوں کو ایک ہی نظر سے دیکھتا ہو ۔۔ جب کیینگ عبدالعزیز نے سعودی ریاست کا اعلان کیا تو اس وقت عربوں میں روایات تھی کہ وہ گنبد بنا پسند نہیں کرتے تھے اسی لیے اس دور میں گنبدوں کو گرانا شروع کیا تو جب مدینہ اور مکہ میں گنبد گرانے لگے تو عبدالعزیز نے فیصلہ کیا کے دنیا کے علما کو بُلا کر فتوا لیا جائے ۔ لہزا ہندوستان سے بھی علما نے اس میں شرکت کی ۔۔ عبدالعزیز نے سب کے دلائل سننےاور جس کے دلائل پر اعمل ہوا کہ گنبد مت گرائے جائیں وہ اعلم دیوبند ہی سے تعلیم یافتہ تھے اور یہ جو آپ خانہ کعبہ کو اس شکل میں دیکھتے ہو دراصل ہمارے پیاری نبی pbuh کی خواہش تھی جس کا ذکر انہوں نے حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ تعالٰی انہہ سے کیا تھا جس حدیث کو بنیاد بنا کر انہوں نے دلائل دئے جس کے بعد عبدالعزیز نے باقی علما سے پوچھا کہ کوئی ہے جو اس ہندی کے دلائل کا جواب دے تو اس پر سب علما خاموش رہے اور ان کے دلائل کو تسلیم کرتے ہوے گنبد نہ گرانے کا اعلان کیا اور اب جو آپ خانہ کعبہ کو اتنا خوبصورت وسیع دیکھتے ہو یہ ہمارے پیاری نبی pbuh کی خواہش اور اسی حدیث کے مطابق بنایا گیا ہے