Why did Quaid e azam say this? There is no power on earth that can undo Pakistan

Steyn

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If Quad e Azam sees the liberal Pakistan and the way it has turned out, he would advocate for a united Hindustan.

Pakistan didn't separate from India because liberals or west influenced confused of their roots nation wanted to separate from Hindus but because Muslims wanted a country where they could practice Islam and be an Islamic nation.

Today, Pakistanis are more liberal and westernised than Hindus and it's more Liberalistan than Pakistan.

The only positive i guess is we're a thorn by the side of India hehe so that's good.
 

Tony Tony

MPA (400+ posts)
Pakistan should go back to being the leader in science and education in Muslim world and in Asia as it was in 1960s... Instead of being the thekedar of Islam after 1980s... Zia's policies should be rolled back.
Excellent.........
This is what this or any forum should aim for...........
Unfortunately, here people think who ever Barks more Swearing will be seen as a populist. But...... there is always HOPE........
The day we get the Lessons from the History, we will be on the path of nothing but success..... Lessons are:
1- Do not have SELECTIVE Justice in your society. It must be blind. A Justice where Judges do not talk, their decision do.
2- Society should be above all Race, Ethnicity, Color, Gender and most importantly BELIEF Issues.
3- Religion must be an Individual act/choice and must not be applied/practiced collectively. Europe got prosperous only after locking the Religion inside the boundaries of the "CHURCH". They found the culprit which was destroying them from centuries.
 
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Tony Tony

MPA (400+ posts)
Quote:
There is no power on earth that can undo Pakistan
Fact:
It has already been done......... Seems like many are waiting for the news to reach them.
Establishment has already cut one arm of the Pakistan successfully in 1971 and working on Baluchistan these days by adopting the same tactics which they have used in East Pakistan :( . We must wake up before it's too late.
 
Excellent.........
This is what this or any forum should aim for...........
Unfortunately, here people think who ever Barks more Swearing will be seen as a populist. But...... there is always HOPE........
The day we get the Lessons from the History, we will be on the path of nothing but success..... Lessons are:
1- Do not have SELECTIVE Justice in your society. It must be blind. A Justice where Judges do not talk, their decision do.
2- Society should be above all Race, Ethnicity, Color, Gender and most importantly BELIEF Issues.
3- Religion must be an Individual act/choice and must not be applied/practiced collectively. Europe got prosperous only after locking the Religion inside the boundaries of the "CHURCH". They found the culprit which was destroying them from centuries.

agreed with an exception. Islam is the only religion in the world which govern all aspects of life whether individual or collective. bcz Islam is the last message of ALLAH and it is complete in all respect.

Quaid e Azam in his life has established only one department whose purpose was to study Islam and make a new socio economic political system for welfare of people of Pakistan and equality for all. After his death that department work was scrapped and never surfaced again to ensure that Islamic system should not be implanted in institutions from inception. On inaugural of State Bank of Pakistan, Quaid Said that we must based our state bank foundation on Islamic principals which ensures equality and justice to poor and not on western countries financial system which serves interests of wealthy.
 

Tony Tony

MPA (400+ posts)
agreed with an exception. Islam is the only religion in the world which govern all aspects of life whether individual or collective. bcz Islam is the last message of ALLAH and it is complete in all respect.

Quaid e Azam in his life has established only one department whose purpose was to study Islam and make a new socio economic political system for welfare of people of Pakistan and equality for all. After his death that department work was scrapped and never surfaced again to ensure that Islamic system should not be implanted in institutions from inception. On inaugural of State Bank of Pakistan, Quaid Said that we must based our state bank foundation on Islamic principals which ensures equality and justice to poor and not on western countries financial system which serves interests of wealthy.
Quote: "Islam is the only religion in the world which govern all aspects of life whether individual or collective"
I disagree with respect. "I have asked many on many occasions, show me an Islamic economic model which can run a country successfully"..... If we see the historic Islamic model(s), we see the system(s) was successful for a period of time only and the theme of the success was based on "Expansion theory" where the resources of captured land(s) were used to run the economies/empires/countries. In modern times it is absolutely not possible and hence we see no old Islamic model/theory successful anywhere in the world. These days we can't force Non-Muslims to pay "Jazzia" or send letters to neighboring countries to "accept Islam" or face the war. Those times are over. This is why there are no old Islamic Model(s) we see these days.
Just for the sake of argument....... We heard a lot about Interest free banking and a system based upon Zakat/Kheerat only.......... Even IRAN, which is close to any old Islamic model these days has failed to apply that. Our Finance minister just announced that on the "PARKED" money, we got Saudi Arabia, we will be paying a 3% annual interest.
 
Yes this needs clarification from Asad Umar.

But On the other hand PTI Govt has passed a resolution in senate which binds the govt to convert interest bearing loans to interest Free Loans. In addition KPK govt borrowing is non-interest based.
 

Steyn

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
3- Religion must be an Individual act/choice and must not be applied/practiced collectively. Europe got prosperous only after locking the Religion inside the boundaries of the "CHURCH". They found the culprit which was destroying them from centuries.[/SIZE]

This is a common misconception and brainwashing that's been done in recent times to distance men from religion.

Liberalism caused world war 1 and 2 and shed more blood than the history of the world combined.

Also there have been times of glory for every culture, it is the law of Allah. Allah changes time of every nation and they have ups and down. The Romans were the superpowers of the world and look what happened to them. Muslims became the superpowers and look what happened to them now that they've forgotten the principles that make a nation great. It's America's turn now.

The elites, freemasons have always brainwashed the pathetic sheep people who don't use their brain at all. Look at history and educate yourself to notice the brainwashing.


America was the epitome of barbarism, Muslims had abandoned slavery for centuries and America still imported negros by the shiploads to America until very recently that they abandoned it and now they're trying to rewrite history and come off as civilised.

It is amazing how successful this brainwashing is, religion is the culprit when in reality, atheists have caused more bloodshed than anyone else. Look at Stallin. Look at the communist china slaughtering Muslims even to this day. If we were to judge the success of a state by this, atheism/liberalism is bloody and failure.
 

desan

President (40k+ posts)
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You cannot have a society free from prejudice, intolerance and religious oppression where you give favoured status to a specific religion. Since Zia there is a movement to make Quran the law of the land... ever since then there is no such thing as freedom of religion in Pakistan.

This is the same as Israelis treated Palestinians as second class citizens even though West Bank and Gaza is responsibility of Israel, not just Hamas and Fateh...
Its the same as Whites given preference in Apartheid South Africa.


The founding fathers of United States were ahead of their time when they went to great lengths to make sure the constitution is secular. So was Jinnah when he talked about separation of State and religion.

There is a big difference between an Islamic State and a State for Muslims.

Excellent.........
This is what this or any forum should aim for...........
Unfortunately, here people think who ever Barks more Swearing will be seen as a populist. But...... there is always HOPE........
The day we get the Lessons from the History, we will be on the path of nothing but success..... Lessons are:
1- Do not have SELECTIVE Justice in your society. It must be blind. A Justice where Judges do not talk, their decision do.
2- Society should be above all Race, Ethnicity, Color, Gender and most importantly BELIEF Issues.
3- Religion must be an Individual act/choice and must not be applied/practiced collectively. Europe got prosperous only after locking the Religion inside the boundaries of the "CHURCH". They found the culprit which was destroying them from centuries.
 
Quaid e Azam never used the word secular in his speeches you can not spot that, But he has repeatedly spoke/used words of Islam and Islamic system in his speeches, i dont know where do u get secular from his speeches, shameless to say that u r deteriorating the facts. He has repeatedly used Islam and Islamic System.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Secularism means separation of State and Religion. Islam is not just a religion but also a cultural identity and way of life. It does not mean bring back laws from the 8th Century Arabia because the society and needs of that time were different than today.

Pakistani was not Islamic republic until 1956 and major Islamization came ofter 1980s... Before that Pakistan was largely secular with women's rights, one of best education system in Muslim world, 2nd fastest growing economy in Asia and one of first in Asia to have a thriving space agency.

Quaid e Azam never used secular in his speeches you can not spot that, But he has repeatedly spoke of Islam and Islamic system in his speeches, i dont know where do u get secular from his speeches, shameless to say that u r deteriorating the facts. He has repeatedly used Islam and Islamic System.