What's working in Pakistan

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What's working in Pakistan

By Peter Bergen, CNN National Security Analyst
updated 8:36 AM EDT, Mon July 23, 2012

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Editor's note: Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, is a director at the New America Foundation and the author of the new book "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."

(CNN)
-- Pakistan can't get no respect.
In 2007, Newsweek published an influential cover story proclaiming it "the most dangerous country in the world."The bill of particulars for this indictment typically includes the inarguable facts that the Taliban is headquartered in Pakistan, as is what remains of al-Qaeda, as well as an alphabet soup of other jihadist terrorist groups.And in 2011, it became embarrassingly clear that Pakistan had harbored Osama bin Laden for almost a decade, even if unwittingly, in a city not far from the capital, Islamabad.

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Peter Bergen


Leading Pakistani liberals are routinely assassinated by militants. Two-time Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was killed when she returned from exile in 2007.
Around three years later, the governor of Punjab was shot to death by one of his own bodyguards because he had the temerity to suggest, correctly, that Pakistan's onerous blasphemy laws tend to penalize its tiny Christian minority. The governor's assassin was feted as a hero by many Pakistanis.
Pakistani scientists have proliferated nuclear technology to the rogue state of North Korea. And Pakistan now has the fastest-growing nuclear weapons program in the world.

Pakistan is also routinely gripped by Sunni-Shia violence, has a serious secessionist movement in the vast gas-rich province of Baluchistan and its financial capital, Karachi, is one of the world's most dangerous cities.

Add to this toxic brew the fact that Pakistan operates like a tea party paradise; only about 2% of the populationpays income taxes, as a result of which the government doesn't do much of anything for anybody.

Lengthy power cuts are hollowing out Pakistan's already weak economy, which, at its present 3% growth rate, cannot possibly sustain Pakistan's youth bulge.

But there is another side to Pakistan that suggests some underlying strengths that don't make quite as good copy as the Taliban marching towards Islamabad, as they did in 2009.

Those strengths are Pakistan's maturing institutions.

Pakistan has a largely ineffectual state, but it has a vibrant civil society that picks up at least some of the government's slack. The private Edhi Foundation, for instance, runs a fleet of 1,800 ambulances and a slew of other welfare services for the poor across Pakistan.

As a result of this strong civil society, Pakistan had its version of the Arab Spring long before the wave of demands for accountable governments emerged in the Middle East. It was, after all, a movement of thousands of lawyers taking to the streets protesting the sacking of the Supreme Court chief justice by the military dictator Pervez Musharraf in 2007 that helped to dislodge Musharraf from power.

Pakistan has a vibrant media. A decade ago, there was only Pakistan TV, which featured leaden government propaganda. Now there are dozens of news channels: many of them conspiracist and anti-American, but many of them also anti-Taliban and pro-democracy.

In the past year, the Supreme Court has taken on the ISI, Pakistan's powerful military intelligence agency, successfully demanding that the organization produce prisoners who had disappeared for years.

In November, Pakistan agreed to a pact with long-time rival India granting India "most favored nation" trading status; something that would have been unimaginable a few years back. This important development was sanctioned by Pakistan's powerful army, which is a significant player in the country's economy and understands that one way out of Pakistan's economic mess is to hitch itself to India's much larger economy.

Even U.S.-Pakistani relations -- which were at a nadir in 2011 because of a CIA contractor killing two Pakistanis, the bin Laden raid and the death of some two dozen Pakistani soldiers during a NATO airstrike -- are gingerly improving. Pakistan has recently reopened the ground routes for NATO supplies to cross Pakistan into Afghanistan, which were closed for months to protest the deaths of the Pakistani soldiers during the NATO airstrike.

Tellingly, Pakistan has never even threatened to close the crucial air corridor across Pakistan that allows U.S. and NATO aircraft to fly into Afghanistan. One can get a sense of how important this air corridor is from the fact that Kandahar Air Field near the Pakistan border in southern Afghanistan is reported to have the busiest runway in the world with some 700 flights landing or taking off there every day.

The present government is the first civilian government in Pakistani history that is poised to complete its full term of office sometime this year or early next year -- depending on when the next election is called -- without being overturned by a military coup or dismissed in some back room deal. And the military, which has seized power four times in the past six and half decades, has shown no interest in doing so again for the foreseeable future.

The lengthy debate in Pakistan's parliament that was completed in April about whether Pakistan should allow the United States to use armed CIA drones on its territory is a welcome intrusion of Pakistan's civilian officials into the national security arena long monopolized by the military. The parliament called for the end of any U.S. drone strikes.

Despite the visibility of the hardline religious parties on the streets of Pakistan, in the voting booth, these parties have recently fared very poorly. A coalition of pro-Taliban religious parties known as the MMA secured control of two of Pakistan's four provinces in an election in 2002 and 11% of the votes to the National Assembly. But the MMA garnered only a piddling 2% of the vote in the 2008 election.

And where Pakistan's national interests are at stake, the military is aggressive against the Taliban.

As the Taliban marched three years ago as close as 60 miles to Islamabad, the army launched major military operations in the northern region of Swat and the western area of South Waziristan to end the Taliban's control of these areas. Pakistani officials are swift to point out, correctly, that as a result, more Pakistani soldiers have died fighting the Taliban than the servicemen of the U.S. and other NATO countries combined.

Pakistan has a myriad of well-known problems, but it also has some residual strengths that often get obscured by rhetoric about the "world's most dangerous country."

Pakistan is no North Korea, and if Pakistanis really got a grip on their own problems, rather than too often resorting to blaming the United States or India for their ills, Pakistan might begin to look more like Turkey than Bangladesh.

One good start along this path would be for the government to privatize Pakistan International Airways and the country's steel mills, which hemorrhage public money and perform quite poorly. But this would require real political leadership, something that is in short supply in Pakistan.

While Pakistan's institutions are slowly maturing, its political class remains largely moribund.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/opinion/bergen-pakistan/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

fahadCMF

New Member
why do you think it is BS. It is a western perpective although I cannot agree with the whole thing but IMO there are some realities and positives in it
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
why do you think it is BS. It is a western perpective although I cannot agree with the whole thing but IMO there are some realities and positives in it

Your analysis is right on the money!

People with defeatist mindset can't see positives in anything - they are all for death and destruction. Positives give them heartburn as they could be built upon and then they will go out of business. They would like to zero in on the negatives as that will help them peddle their wares of death and destruction.
 
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Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم

This was written for Zia....

He made the nation to celebrate 14 August by special way...

Different than before...

By standing still people , trains trafic , every thing and huge lighting....
 

hans

Banned
What ever you say .......
"And in 2011, it became embarrassingly clear that Pakistan had harbored Osama bin Laden for almost a decade, even if unwittingly, in a city not far from the capital, Islamabad."

UBL was found and killed in Pakistan. Some one some where was providing him protection. DO not deny this.
Who was protecting him and his family is not my concern. Base line, UBL was residing in Pakistan with his two or three wives.
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
What ever you say .......
"And in 2011, it became embarrassingly clear that Pakistan had harbored Osama bin Laden for almost a decade, even if unwittingly, in a city not far from the capital, Islamabad."

UBL was found and killed in Pakistan. Some one some where was providing him protection. DO not deny this.
Who was protecting him and his family is not my concern. Base line, UBL was residing in Pakistan with his two or three wives.
Who is denying that?
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
mrk123 said:
if Pakistanis really got a grip on their own problems, rather than too often resorting to blaming the United States or India for their ills, Pakistan might begin to look more like Turkey than Bangladesh.

@mrk123

A big " IF " indeed. There is only one institution which can make this "IF" workable for Pakistan, it the Pakistan Army, it depends how much it can make a U-turn.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
What ever you say .......
"And in 2011, it became embarrassingly clear that Pakistan had harbored Osama bin Laden for almost a decade, even if unwittingly, in a city not far from the capital, Islamabad."

UBL was found and killed in Pakistan. Some one some where was providing him protection. DO not deny this.
Who was protecting him and his family is not my concern. Base line, UBL was residing in Pakistan with his two or three wives.

Added to this, the doctor who helped was charged for treason and even Army, Parliament and Media reported this incident as a violation of sovereignty ?
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@mrk123

A big " IF " indeed. There is only one institution which can make this "IF" workable for Pakistan, it the Pakistan Army, it depends how much it can make a U-turn.

Well, you are right but I am not sure what type of U-turn are you talking about. If you are talking about a U-turn that will have them more involved than they already are then I don't agree with you. On the other hand if you are referring to a U-turn in terms of military making sure that the polls are completely free and fair and then resort to strictly militaristic responsibilities with no interference in civilian affairs then I am all for it.
 

InsafianPTI

Minister (2k+ posts)
Naaaaaaaaaaah he means a U-turn on Kashmir issue, innit @only_truths ?;)
He means only then 'We' will let pakistan and pakistanis live in peace.

he forgets that whether pak army takes a u turn or not (if they do they will lose kashmir) but kashmiris are highly unlikely to take a U turn (they will have only one optioni.e. to go for an independent state).

Don't forget that Fact!

Well, you are right but I am not sure what type of U-turn are you talking about. If you are talking about a U-turn that will have them more involved than they already are then I don't agree with you. On the other hand if you are referring to a U-turn in terms of military making sure that the polls are completely free and fair and then resort to strictly militaristic responsibilities with no interference in civilian affairs then I am all for it.
 

mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
haha,man you can really have a go at peole :)

Well, you get the sarcasm - some may think that I actually was praising the comment ;-)
I just couldn't resist given the absurdity of the comment....

you know what i was going to share this article, but you just beat me to it!

Well, I hope you keep posting the articles that you have been posting. They are informative and good read.

The thing that was interesting about this article is that this guy, even though he has a western angle, gets the practical stuff. Given what we see in the western media this is a very good and realistic portrayal.
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Naaaaaaaaaaah he means a U-turn on Kashmir issue, innit @only_truths ?;)
He means only then 'We' will let pakistan and pakistanis live in peace.

he forgets that whether pak army takes a u turn or not (if they do they will lose kashmir) but kashmiris are highly unlikely to take a U turn (they will have only one optioni.e. to go for an independent state).

Don't forget that Fact!
now at least one thing is clear to you that kashmiries are strict no no for pakistan......
 

InsafianPTI

Minister (2k+ posts)
hahah, what an effort to twist things around! (clap) clever!

Read my sentence again! do you notice Ifs and Buts? That was the key My dear!
I meant if Pak takes a complete U-Turn then kashmiris would have only one option that is an independent state.
At the moment they have two choices, and people are divided on them for various different reasons.

Ofcourse I'm not in favour of an independent state, I'm very very pro pakistani (more than anyone else in my family) as you should be able to tell from my posts here, But my family is very democratic, we are all free to make our choices! so its cool!


now at least one thing is clear to you that kashmiries are strict no no for pakistan......
 
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InsafianPTI

Minister (2k+ posts)
Well, you get the sarcasm - some may think that I actually was praising the comment ;-)
aray I'm soooo much inspired by your sarcasm. Its cool!;)

The thing that was interesting about this article is that this guy, even though he has a western angle, gets the practical stuff. Given what we see in the western media this is a very good and realistic portrayal.

This is the key that our innocent brothers need to understand before classifying something as a BS.
Not only on western media, even on our media there are people I hate generally (you know who :)) but whenever I see that they have done some reasonably good work I would pay attention to it. because sometimes they do dig out good information even if it is for certain 'objective'!
 

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