What is your opnion

moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
given the the current state of affairs in our country, do you think PPP or PML - N would come back in power in the next general election? If so, why? For any PPP or PML-N supporters, how do you justify the extreme level of corruption within the official ranks for the past 2 years ?

I can't wait for the next elections to come and I can only hope that the nation learns its lesson.
 

anglopakiman

Voter (50+ posts)
i hope neither party comes back. if i were in pakistan, i might not even vote. PPP especially is symbolic of everything wrong with pakistani govt today: rampant corruption, dynastic politics and feelings of gross self entitlement by politicians. benazir passed the leadership of her party along in HER WILL, as if it was a piece of furniture that she owned. Her party has the same view of public monies (ie "we got elected, so let's help ourselves to this cash!).
 

moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
i hope neither party comes back. if i were in pakistan, i might not even vote. PPP especially is symbolic of everything wrong with pakistani govt today: rampant corruption, dynastic politics and feelings of gross self entitlement by politicians. benazir passed the leadership of her party along in HER WILL, as if it was a piece of furniture that she owned. Her party has the same view of public monies (ie "we got elected, so let's help ourselves to this cash!).

dont you think that is the problem. People who understand and care about this country, which is why I presume you are even on this forum, if they wont vote tou phir aisay he bongay loog power mein aeen gay.
 

Mancunion12

New Member
See the current system makes it difficult to transfer power to other parties e.g PTI, and the system is run by PPP or N-league, so they'd never change it to benefit the true spirit of democracy, since they are pre-occupied by their personal agendas and power.

To me the most important thing to consider is that we, the educated class, make only 30 % of this country. We watch politicians speak on tv, we judge them, we see corruption cases, and then we decide on those merits that current government is a problem for the country, and their should be a change. But who will tell those 70% rural people who does not have internet or cable, its their vote in the end which makes government. These PPP and N-league politicans know the tactic, they know that even if they give away free food and some money those 70% will cast vote in their favour. So their's a dire need to teach people that every individual vote has a power, and that their vote is a national duty which they have to do in the best interest of the nation, not the best interest of individuals.
Secondly, unfortunately those of us who are educated and know the nation's true interests dont even bother to vote, if we all vote and encourage people to vote in national interest may be we can bring a change, it needs patience to bring change but its not worth waiting, its worth acting now. Thats my humble opinion.
 

chau lion

Citizen
See the current system makes it difficult to transfer power to other parties e.g PTI, and the system is run by PPP or N-league, so they'd never change it to benefit the true spirit of democracy, since they are pre-occupied by their personal agendas and power.

To me the most important thing to consider is that we, the educated class, make only 30 % of this country. We watch politicians speak on tv, we judge them, we see corruption cases, and then we decide on those merits that current government is a problem for the country, and their should be a change. But who will tell those 70% rural people who does not have internet or cable, its their vote in the end which makes government. These PPP and N-league politicans know the tactic, they know that even if they give away free food and some money those 70% will cast vote in their favour. So their's a dire need to teach people that every individual vote has a power, and that their vote is a national duty which they have to do in the best interest of the nation, not the best interest of individuals.
Secondly, unfortunately those of us who are educated and know the nation's true interests dont even bother to vote, if we all vote and encourage people to vote in national interest may be we can bring a change, it needs patience to bring change but its not worth waiting, its worth acting now. Thats my humble opinion.
Well, My opinion is very simple.These two parties will be elected in the general elections.It is not because of the clearity or piousness of our politicians but because of epathy, moral bankruptsy of our nation as a whole.Public want to elect a leader who can influence in there unlawfull protection from police.If a leader can get public free from thana and kutchehri culture then people will hapily vote for these sort of looters.Its true that morally we are bankrupt and never respect law and even norms and ethics.This is the problem.Thats y we see the same faces in every election.
 

forzeb

Minister (2k+ posts)
well answer is very simple if its not ppp then it is pml and if it's not pml then it is ppp in government if both are not there then it is army because this is what we deserve cause we don't use our ****ing brain at all we 160 million dum and sick people living in pakistan there are lot more things to say but don't like to waste my time in these bulshits
 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
In order to answer this question, I will need an answer from you first.
What incident in our history suggests that we, the people, will learn any lesson from past and do any thing differently?
 

moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
See the current system makes it difficult to transfer power to other parties e.g PTI, and the system is run by PPP or N-league, so they'd never change it to benefit the true spirit of democracy, since they are pre-occupied by their personal agendas and power.

To me the most important thing to consider is that we, the educated class, make only 30 % of this country. We watch politicians speak on tv, we judge them, we see corruption cases, and then we decide on those merits that current government is a problem for the country, and their should be a change. But who will tell those 70% rural people who does not have internet or cable, its their vote in the end which makes government. These PPP and N-league politicans know the tactic, they know that even if they give away free food and some money those 70% will cast vote in their favour. So their's a dire need to teach people that every individual vote has a power, and that their vote is a national duty which they have to do in the best interest of the nation, not the best interest of individuals.
Secondly, unfortunately those of us who are educated and know the nation's true interests dont even bother to vote, if we all vote and encourage people to vote in national interest may be we can bring a change, it needs patience to bring change but its not worth waiting, its worth acting now. Thats my humble opinion.


Yes I totally agree with you on this trickery of "free food and money" being given to the masses close to election time. But you know that this is considered election rigging in the west. and rightly it should be. So this in turn means that we need to have an independent and fair Election comission in Pakistan before we can even think about a change in the government. I don't follow all the political shows in Pakistan, so I want to know if this topic about having an independent election commission is even discussed in the media ?

After an independent judiciary , this is the most logical step to guarantee a change in our society. I know I sound very naive and "optimistic" but if there is hope change will come.

@ Leftbrain, I know it might seem like we dont learn our lesson but I think if we had never had the army taking over in 1999 by now we would have had another party running this country. We pakistan's are kinda dumb but not that stupid. Eventually we will learn but if the political process keeps getting disrupted then the awam will always fall back on these "house hold" names who unfortunately dont give a rat's ass about Pakistan.

I always thought that Rehman Malik was an idiot when in his every speech he would bring up "RAW" and "foreign elements" and clear the blame off himself and government. I mean you really have to be ignorant to believe crap like that , but then I come across this forum and half the people here talk about CIA , zionist, RAW being involved in destroying Pakistan. So maybe rehman malik is not that big an idiot after all.
 

Mancunion12

New Member
The only person who talks about independant electioc commission in the media is Imran Khan, I never heard anyone else discussing the election commission.
Yeah and I'm very optimistic about our nation, bad times come and go but it is my belief that we are destined to rise and shine as a nation. Lets never loose hope, atleast in our indivdual capacities we should do the right things, support the right people instead of sitting back and waiting for others to act. And I do believe that RAW and Israel etc are working day n night to destabilize Pak, I pray that the nation wakes up to grasp this fact soon.
 

shuja123

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
did any of u ever vote in ur lives ?????????????. if not then u have no right to blame the election system in pakistan. u dont even know how it works. I voted once and the person I voted for won the election in my area. in the next election stop debating online and go out there and tell ppl who dont have access to the internet who they should vote for and why they should vote for him, but first of all please do vote.

and stop making stupid excuses that there is something wrong with the system when u cant even use the one and only right and say in pakistani democracy.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
given the the current state of affairs in our country, do you think PPP or PML - N would come back in power in the next general election? If so, why? For any PPP or PML-N supporters, how do you justify the extreme level of corruption within the official ranks for the past 2 years ?

I can't wait for the next elections to come and I can only hope that the nation learns its lesson.

The party will win whomever Americans want to. We do not have free election as you know by now. I predict that by that time Americans will portray PPP as victims and buy out media times. They will show NS as a very good person too. After the BB's murder, Pakistanis knew about Zardari character, but they still voted.

Same thing will happen in next election. NS and AZ will be easy to handle for Americans than any other. They would definitely not like to see IK won any seat, whihc is doubtful that he will even win his own seat. AZ and NS, both are corrupt and have money abroad. If they dont do as Americans say, they would charged with money laundering. That the dilemna Zardari is facing inlcuding Malik and Awan. Famous American phrase: I rather work with the devil that I know than the one I dont know.

Time will prove me right. By the way, Zaid Hamid is the best choice but he is not interested in registering a prty so far as I know

Zahid Hamid, the only clear alternative for Pakistan
Pakistan Paindabad
 

umariqbal

Banned
they will come back and haunt us more...bcoz pakistani public is out of there mind wenever it comes to voting for the right person. they sure r going to vote these old corrupt culprits.
 

moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Same thing will happen in next election. NS and AZ will be easy to handle for Americans than any other. They would definitely not like to see IK won any seat, whihc is doubtful that he will even win his own seat. AZ and NS, both are corrupt and have money abroad. If they dont do as Americans say, they would charged with money laundering. That the dilemna Zardari is facing inlcuding Malik and Awan. Famous American phrase: I rather work with the devil that I know than the one I dont know.

Time will prove me right. By the way, Zaid Hamid is the best choice but he is not interested in registering a prty so far as I know

So are you saying that Zardari honestly wants the betterment of Pakistan and the only one preventing bechara Zardari from fixing our nation is America. I don't know if I should laugh at your comment or cry on my naivety.
Tell me something, between 1990 and 2000 America had no interest in Pakistan. There was no war, infact when Bush came into power in his first term before 9/11 he didnt even know the name of the President of pakistan. To prove my point check this interview out,

http://www1.whdh.com/features/articles/hiller/22/

So please lets stop blaming America and lets own up to our mistakes, thats the first step to fixing things. America is pursuing its self interest in Afghanistan and Pakistan which any self-respecting nation should do ( except in Pakistan our leaders look at their personal gains, nation doesn't even come in the picture). America's aim through this war is to make sure they eliminate all the extremist so that their country is safe from further bombings ( I don't agree with that logic because its making the situation worse. Thats a topic for another thread) I think having an unstable Pakistan is against America's interest and what they are trying to achieve in the region.

I dont want to wait for time to prove you right, you give me the logic behind your thinking. why do you think America wants to destroy Pakistan ? our nuclear weapons (thats another theory thats been going around) ???

Secondly, why do you think ZH is the right choice to lead Pakistan? He is not even interested in ruling the country. Don't you think you should support a political party based on their views rather than the big names they have? If you think there is no political party that supports your views, why dont you stand in the next election as an independent candidate from your area. That is what democracy is all about, not handing down party leadership to your kids and chacha and mammas.

P.S: I dont want to offend you in anyway, but I just want to understand the logic behind your statement earlier.
 
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moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
. And I do believe that RAW and Israel etc are working day n night to destabilize Pak, I pray that the nation wakes up to grasp this fact soon.

Maybe you are right, but your enemies can only de stabilize you if you are a mess yourself. Which is why I think instead of blaming America, RAW, Isreal we should only concentrate on ourself. Be selfish, fix Pakistan first and then we can handle any of these buffons.
ok answer this, based on the current economic and political do you think Pakistan can destabilize India. I dont think so. I think economically they are very strong and their country is really maturing. You just have to look at the IPL scandal and how Lalit Modhi was forced to resign. Now look our current situation, politicians with proven fake degrees dont want to resiign (infact people like Jamshed Dasti are being given another chance by PPP). Yeh corrupt politicians makhii ke tarha mulq par chipaakk gaee hain.
 

Mancunion12

New Member
I agree with you. Thats why I mentioned in my first post the improvements that we need to undergo, i.e. educating the rural people, and the active participation of those who know the reality and facts.
Ofcourse its not the time for us to attack on other nations, the time demands us to clean our house first. India is definitely a mature economy, and a mature democracy. They know their interests, and like every sane nation they seek their own national interests. We are the one's who are lost behind and who have forgotten their interests.
One thing just came to my mind, it is evident that india has many problems from inside, including high poverty and illiteracy, but why is that their leaders are on the right track! May be there educated class and elite is much more active in pursuing their national interests. The reason that comes to my mind is that their parliamentarians are very active, the opposition does not tolerate if government does something insane, so the government doesnt dare to do that thing. We need to mobilise our educated group to re-kindle their patriotism and do not stay silent in any single mismanagement by the government. Keep Pakistan first whether its their job or anything else at stake .
 

forzeb

Minister (2k+ posts)
did any of u ever vote in ur lives ?????????????. if not then u have no right to blame the election system in pakistan. u dont even know how it works. I voted once and the person I voted for won the election in my area. in the next election stop debating online and go out there and tell ppl who dont have access to the internet who they should vote for and why they should vote for him, but first of all please do vote.

and stop making stupid excuses that there is something wrong with the system when u cant even use the one and only right and say in pakistani democracy.
answer to your question is yes i did vote couple of time but i never voted for the ppp,pml-n,pml-q,mma and others i always voted for different people whome i thought are honest people but as you know majority people of pakistan they don't think the way i think this is why honest people are not coming in front.
 

kashnex

Councller (250+ posts)
I think people should not vote to anyone ... !
Pakistani people should run a clean sweep by not casting any vote to anyone. History should be written by returning emptied ballot box to elections commission.
As far as corruption is concerned, I don't think that this gonna alleviate soon.
Without revolution nothing will be changed, and that revolution will be NO TO ANY CANDIDATE!
 

ALI ARYAN

Senator (1k+ posts)
mere khayal ke mutabiq jab tak mojoda nizam chal raha hai yeh ppp or pmln hi musical chair kheltay rahen ge, ek ke bad ek bari lagat rahay ga, kuch umeed hai mutahida or tehreek insaaf ki janib se ke woh pakistan ke sheri ilaqon khasosan panjab main kuch tabdeeli ka ishara den ge magar inko abhi or waqt lage ga. Is main in parties ka koi qasoor nahin asal main dehi ilaqon main jo nizam salon se chala a araha hai usko dhachka pohanchan itna asan nahin.

pewasta rahy shajar se umeed e bahar rakh
 

moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Mancunion12;173201 One thing just came to my mind said:
Ofcourse they have problems too but I can guarantee you India has no problem with illiteracy. Infact, in North America Indians are very highly respected. The CEO of "citigroup" is an Indian , CEO of "motorola" is an Indian, CEO of "pepsi" is an Indian woman. and the list goes on and on. We are not even close sorry to break that to you. I actually have a lot of Indian friends because of the time I spent in Canada and USA and from my discussions with them I have figured out that the reason they are so successful is because
a) back in the 1980s they really developed their education system. Its probably one of the best in the world and its showing results now.
b) their politicians are not feudals like ours. They are corrupt but still put their country first.

I think our feudal politicians rule the country like they run their Gaouns. I believe they can provide electricity, water and food to every Pakistani but they dont want to. They want everyone to be worried about these basic things in life so that they don't have enough time to examine how corrupt they are. But thanks to media that doesn't happen any more. Think about it , a country like Pakistan has the vision to develop a nuclear bomb but they cant provide electricity , clean water to their people. I call bulls**t. I think every Pakistani has a right to these basic necessities. Electricity, food and water shouldn't be turned into a luxury item.

The solution to this w**** mess is for our youth to join politics. Bring fresh ideas kick these f**king oldies out of politics.
 
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moadhia

Siasat.pk - Blogger
I think people should not vote to anyone ... !
Pakistani people should run a clean sweep by not casting any vote to anyone. History should be written by returning emptied ballot box to elections commission.
As far as corruption is concerned, I don't think that this gonna alleviate soon.
Without revolution nothing will be changed, and that revolution will be NO TO ANY CANDIDATE!

Sorry dude that would never work. Those ballot boxes would always be full no matter if people turn up or not. Dont you remember Musharraf's referrendum in 2002 or 2004. And it still happens, case in point the recent by elections in gujrat.