Was Pakistan Involved in Indian Submarine Incident ? Veteran submariners suspect sabotage angle


Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

NEW DELHI: Veteran submariners are suggesting that the Navy should not rule out the possibility of sabotage in the sinking of INS Sindhurakshak, even as indications are emerging that the vessel was preparing for "a war patrol" with armed torpedoes and cruise missiles close to Pakistani shores.

Their suggestion that the just-ordered naval board of inquiry (BoI) — chaired by a senior officer from the submarine wing
— should thoroughly probe the sabotage angle stems from the fact that warheads of the torpedoes and missiles have several layers of security features
built in to avoid inadvertent blasts aboard the vessel.

"The warheads, whether heavy torpedo warheads or relatively smaller missile warheads, are designed with highest levels of inbuilt safety. These multi-layered measures added together ensure almost foolproof levels of safety," said Dean Mathew, [COLOR=#0000FF !important]a former Navy Commander and research fellow at Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), who was a guided weapons specialist.

Mathew and several other submarine veterans said the possibility of a "cook off", where warheads start exploding under high temperature, too, is almost impossible. Submarines like INS Sindhurakshak have mechanisms such as sprinklers that get activated in case temperature in the torpedo bay shoots up.

"So this should have worked if there was a fire in the battery compartment beneath and the temperature was shooting up in the torpedo bay above," a veteran said. For TNT, which is the main explosive filling in a torpedo, just high temperature is not enough to cause an explosion under normal circumstances. The exception could be if TNT is expired, and its chemical structure has become unstable.

Based on their own personal experiences, these veterans are arguing that explanations for the tragedy have to be more than simple answers of material failure or standard operating procedures (SOPs) not being followed.

Given the history of INS Sindhurakshak, the first explosion could be fuelled by hydrogen gas fuelled from the battery compartment. However, they suspect that the subsequent explosions — given the enormity and scale — are almost certainly some warheads — either of the combat torpedoes or missiles stored onboard. "The fact that these explosions ruptured the hulls of the submarine and sank it strongly points to the warheads exploding as they are meant to do exactly the same when used against an enemy submarine or ship," one former officer said.

Even when a submarine is out on a war patrol, the exploder unit, which triggers the warhead explosion in a torpedo, is stored separately from the warhead and assembled into it only on explicit orders from the commanding officer to "arm" the torpedo in preparation for an imminent war situation. The exploder unit is never mated with the torpedo in the harbour, while it is preparing for patrol.

The next level of safeties are that even with the exploder unit assembled, the unit gets active only once the torpedo is launched from the submarine and travelled out a safe distance away from the submarine. There are many more levels of inbuilt safety nets that make sure that the warhead doesn't go off just like that, veterans argue.

In case of missiles on board, their safety and arming unit (SAU) ensures that the warhead is not ready for explosion unless the missile is powered, launched and travelled a safe distance away. These information are fed to the missile by the submarine's combat information console, it can even be mimicked to make the missile feel that it is ready. If a missile has exploded, the question is, "did anyone get any of the missiles onboard 'ready' inadvertently or otherwise?" asks a submariner.

Another officer asked why was that the first explosion and fire couldn't be brought under control? "Clearly there is a human element that was involved directly or indirectly," he said. Another former submariner pointed out that the recent explosions onboard Indian submarines — on the same submarine and on INS Sindhuvijay — were both limited. On Sindhurakshak one sailor had lost his life in 2010 and in the case of Sindhuvijay an officer was injured. "The warheads doesn't go off like that," he argued


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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yet another headline!! wese kuch der nahin ker di is ANGLE se dekhne mein. . :P;). .chalo Indian media jaldi se ilzaam lagao take Pak terrorists is hamle ka credit to le sakein. . warna to apne hi bande maar maar ker had haram ho gae the. . kuch hero wala credit to mile ga. . . [hilar] [hilar]


Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"The warheads, whether heavy torpedo warheads or relatively smaller missile warheads, are designed with highest levels of inbuilt safety. These multi-layered measures added together ensure almost foolproof levels of safety,"

Key word here is almost. almost is never enough,

for e.g

i almost climbed mount everest (means you didn't)

I almost died (means you didn't)

I almost won the lottery (means you didn't)

With so many fools on the submarine, a fool will find a way.
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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No we know exactly what happened (bigsmile) ...ISI commandos came as tilapia fish and pushed the wrong buttons to cause this fire [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

What a bunch of Jokers !! [hilar][hilar]

sanu key

MPA (400+ posts)
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Shah Brahman

Senator (1k+ posts)

لگتا ہے اس کی پیدایش کے پیچھے بھی کسی پاکستانی کا ہاتھ تھا ، جو اسکی ماں اب تک اس سے چھپاتی رہی ہے

ف ج

CA 5 O

Senator (1k+ posts)

لگتا ہے اس کی پیدایش کے پیچھے بھی کسی پاکستانی کا ہاتھ تھا ، جو اسکی ماں اب تک اس سے چھپاتی رہی ہے

ف ج

Mere moo ki baat cheen li. In sab moot pene waalon ki pedayesh mein ISI ka hi haath tha aur ISI ka haath inke pichware mein bhi hai.


Senator (1k+ posts)
ISI did it through Hafiz Saeed, who was spotted near Mumbai beach on his water scooty with Katrina kaif on the back ... seriously :)

GREAT JOB ISI... Otherwise Indian navy, like its airforce is the 'best' in the world.


Senator (1k+ posts)
Whatever the argument it does not say not it makes any sense how in those conditions Pakistan can do something that those components are assembled which are not supposed to in normal operation and only when they are about to fire a missile or a torpedo are assembled/attached to activate it. Looks like its some of their own inefficiencies or maybe one of those officers/sailors were disgruntled and did this by killing himself, his shipmates and the submarine, who knows its all speculation.


Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
thats stupid maintanance issue of indian navy, but if pakistan was so be it, good job then(bigsmile)(clap)


Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If ISI did it they must super human with the ability to become invisible at will! Much greater is the chance of Bharati naval officers doing it themselves for some strange reason. Thing is that many in Bharat want war but the military knows their own and our capabilities so is rightfully reluctant to get involved. Once conflict starts we will forget about how violent Iraq and Afghanistan were, knowing the Pak psyche we never agree to cease fire very easily. Even if some external power was involved could very well be the Chinese(bigsmile)


Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aese bayan pehlay kyu na aae k "it is almost impossible for the warheads to just go off". They already knew that the warhead had gone off, so they should have sad that right after knowing this. Why wait this long?