USA: New Strategic Anxieties

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)



USA: New Strategic Anxieties
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تاریخ نہیں بدلی ، تاریخ میں شخصیات و مقام کا ردوبدل ہوا ہے ، روس کو "گرم پانی" تک جانا تھا ، افغانستان کو راستہ بنانا ضروری تھا ، امریکہ کو یہ ناپسند تھا ، اب چین نے عالمی منڈیوں تک پگڈنڈیاں ، راہداریاں دنیا کے نقشے پر نقش کرنی ہیں ، پاکستان کو اس منصوبے میں بنیادی "گزرگاہ" بننا ہے ، لیکن امریکہ کو یہ قبول نہیں ، ماضی میں روس مخالف حکمت عملی میں پاکستان ایک اشد ضرورت تھا ، آج چین مخالف ردعمل کو تحفظ دینے میں بھارت ایک مہرہ ہے ، کل گرم پانی ڈاکٹرائن (نظریہ) امریکہ کے لیے ایک بہانہ تھا ، آج چینی اقتصادی ترقی امریکہ کے لیے پریشانی ہے
(Strategic Anxiety)
کس نہج پر ہے ؟ اس کا ڈونلڈ ٹرمپ کی تقریر سے بخوبی اندازہ ہوجانا چاہیے ، افغانستان میں امن سے زیادہ ، خطے میں بھارت کی بالادستی / تاجپوشی امریکہ کی ترجیح ہے اور پاکستان کو دھمکی / دباؤ میں رکھنا ہی نئی پالیسی کا مرکزی خیال ہے


امریکہ کی "افغانستان پالیسی" پہلی بار "جنوبی ایشیاء کی سٹریٹجک پالیسی" کی حیثیت سے ظاہر ہوئی ہے ، جس میں بھارت کو اعلانیہ طور پر ایک اہم اتحادی کہا گیا ہے ، بھارت جو چین کے ساتھ سرحدی کشیدگی کو بڑھا رہا ہے ، پاکستان کے ساتھ چپقلش میں اضافہ کے بہانے ڈھونڈتا ہے ، نیپال ، بنگلہ دیش ، سری لنکا جیسے کمزور پڑوسی ممالک ہمیشہ مداخلت کرتا رہا ہے ، ایسے ملک کو جنوبی ایشیاء میں "کمان" سونپے جانے کا مقصد امریکہ کے سٹریٹجک مقاصد کو بری طرح عیاں کرتا ہے


جنگ اگر افغانستان تک ہی محدود ہے ، تو ہمیں پہلے یہ سمجھنا ہو گا کہ ؟ افغانستان میں جنگ یا امن صرف پاکستان کا مفاد ہے ، یا پھر اس اکھاڑے میں دوسروں کے بھی مفادات ہیں ، بھارت ، روس ، چین ، ایران ، ان تمام ممالک کی موجودگی میں کیا پاکستان ، افغانستان میں امن کی تمام تر زمہ داری اٹھا سکتا ہے ؟ دوسری طرف یہ بھی ایک حقیقت ہے ، افغانستان میں امن کا پہلا فائدہ پاکستان کو ہی ہو گا ، اور انارکی / خانہ جنگی کا خمیازہ بھی پاکستان کو بھگتنا پڑتا ہے ، کیا بھارت کے لیے افغانستان میں جنگ زیادہ فائدہ مند ہے ؟ مستقل خرابی کا شکار ملک جہاں اپنی موجودگی کا جواز بنتا رہے ، اور پاکستان کو مشرقی و مغربی سرحدوں کے درمیان "سینڈوچ" بنانے کا عمل جاری رہے ، امریکہ اور اس کے اتحادی ملک اتنے کند ذہن ہیں کہ وہ یہ سمجھتے ہیں کہ روس ، ایران ، چین کے افغانستان میں مفادات ختم ہو چکے ہیں ؟ نہیں ، پینٹاگون میں بیٹھے ماہر اتنے بھی کم عقل نہیں ، امریکہ اس وقت افغانستان کو نفس مضمون بنا کر چین کے مفادات کو زد پہنچانا چاہتا ہے ، اس کے لیے پاکستان کو اندرونی و بیرونی خلفشار میں الجھا دینا ایک نئی حکمت عملی کا آغاز ہے


امریکہ بار بار پاکستان کو پیغام ارسال کر رہا ہے ، اور پاکستانی سول ملٹری اسٹیبلشمنٹ بات کو ٹالنے کی روایت جاری رکھے ہوے ہے ، کیا معاملات انتہائی مقام تک آ پہنچے ، یا ابھی صرف پہلی قسط ہے ، ایک بات یاد رہے اس بار معمول کا بیان نہیں جاری کیا گیا ، بلکہ بیان ایک پالیسی / بیانیہ کا دیباچہ ہے ، لہٰذہ ، معمولی سمجھنا سخت غلطی تصور کیا جاۓ گا ، ہماری توجہ و سنجیدگی کا اندازہ اس بات سے کیا جا سکتا ہے ، ہم سے پہلے چین نے جوابی بیان داغ دیا ہے ، ہمارا کورم پورا نہیں ہے ، سیکریٹری خارجہ ملک میں نہیں ، وزیر خارجہ کے اوسان ابھی مکمل بحال نہیں ، فوج کے ترجمان کا ہوم ورک مکمل نہیں ، وزیر اعظم صاحب ؟ اتنے قابل ہوتے تو وزیر اعظم بنتے ؟ یہ سب ایک مقام پر مل بیٹھیں بھی تو ، متفقہ بیانیہ ترتیب دینے سے قاصر ہیں ، موقع مناسب ہے ، مکمل تیاری کے ساتھ ، جوابی "سٹریٹجیک پالیسی" ترتیب دیں اور اسی طرح اہتمام کے ساتھ دنیا کو بتا دیں
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Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
INSHA'ALLAH this time, if USA showed any aggressiveness by striking Pakistan territory, our Armed Forces will not spare them.
 

Londoner/Lahori

Minister (2k+ posts)
have a look around in the area, middle east, main countries dismantled turkey (nato ally), iran (under sanctions), pakistan is the only country which has not gave in after so much happened to it, uncle sam and hindu zionists are becoming very frustrated and desperate, beside verbals, they can't do anything to pakistan, the only thing pakistan don't have is a genuine leadership to lead through,
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
have a look around in the area, middle east, main countries dismantled turkey (nato ally), iran (under sanctions), pakistan is the only country which has not gave in after so much happened to it, uncle sam and hindu zionists are becoming very frustrated and desperate, beside verbals, they can't do anything to pakistan, the only thing pakistan don't have is a genuine leadership to lead through,


joint chief svc pak army said their pain is CEPEC lol
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pakistan turned out vvvvvvvvvv complicated for them. Looks and feels different. Corrupt govt, impossible to analyze pakistanis, pak army.

Now china strongly in the picture. Ubhh keeya kurrein gae 15 saal mein subh try kurleeya thukk gayae sumujh nahee aaataa inn looegon koe.pakistan n its citizen vvvvvvvv complicated for them.


Probably v smart and intelligent even with low literacy rate poverty no electricity no security terrorism and still confidence sky high and balochistan n FATA intact.


Even nawazu n zardari tried so hard siding with them and still pakistan strong mashallah. But we all need to pray for our pakistan our home.


but for greater good they should not mess with pakistan its not an ordinary middle eastern country. They should make it prosperous as unstability will trikle down on neighbouring countries a fire v hard to extinghuish.


they think Afghanistan was difficult to control for 15 years, they have no idea about Pakistan not even controlled by their own
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thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Wars around the world is suited for weapons industries of US.lekan yad rakhay..pori kaniyat ko chalaney wali AIK AZEEM ZAAT swt majood ha..Qudrat ki planning ke Agay US India,Israel ki planning ki koi ehmiat nahi ha..
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)


Dated: August Press Release


Dated: August 22, 2017 No PR-429/2017-ISPR


Rawalpindi - August 22, 2017: A nine member Afghan media delegation visited ISPR and interacted with DG ISPR. They were briefed on efforts by Pakistan towards peace and stability along Pak-Afg Border and role of media for its rightful projection. The delegation is on a weeklong visit to Pakistan, visiting different places including NWA.


No PR-429/2017-ISPR
No PR-429/2017-ISPR

Rawalpindi - August 22, 2017:
A nine member Afghan media delegation visited ISPR and interacted with DG ISPR. They were briefed on efforts by Pakistan towards peace and stability along Pak-Afg Border and role of media for its rightful projection. The delegation is on a weeklong visit to Pakistan, visiting different places including NWA.
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Rawalpindi - August 22, 2017:
A nine member Afghan media delegation visited ISPR and interacted with DG ISPR. They were briefed on efforts by Pakistan towards peace and stability along Pak-Afg Border and role of media for its rightful projection. The delegation is on a weeklong visit to Pakistan, visiting different places including NWA.
 
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Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
امریکا کے مقابل ایک متبادل ات*اد بنانے کے سوا کوئی اور رستہ نہیں
بھارت کو کشمیر کی فکر ہے اور وہ افغانستان کو استعمال کر رہا ہے پاکستان کے خلاف اس سے کسی بھی *ماقت اور ڈرامے کی توقع کی جا سکتی ہے اس لیے امریکا کو سمجھانا اور اپنی تیاری رکھنا دونو باتیں ہی بہت ضروری ہیں
 

Dr Adam

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
You have raised a very legitimate concern. To begin with, let me say by and large I tend to agree with the situation analysis you have done. So there isn't any need to further dilate upon it. In few words I would like to add few points --- as to what should be the way to move forward.

To tackle this war like situation we need to think rationally and to analyze --- what are the options available to Pakistan to counter this hostility?

In my opinion the first & foremost point to understand is that war with the US is NOT an option under any circumstances. With the abundant resources and the current lethal war machine which Pentagon possess nobody on the face of this planet can win a war from the US without itself getting destroyed. (Our clergy and religious parties though will come up with the rhetoric "hum apnay eman kee qoowat say batil amreeka ko is duniya kay naqshay say neest o nabood ker dein gay and blah, blah, blah.....").
Well frankly speaking, such suicidal thinking is simply a non starter in order for us to safeguard ourselves from the colossal collateral damage or total destruction. Keep this in mind that in any such scenario the war theater will be in Pakistan and not in the US.
So any confrontational approach is simply off the table.

The best option is the diplomacy option --- engaging the Pentagon, the State Department and the US policy makers in a productive dialogue. Though you will find many hawks in the current US administration yet most of the law makers -- congressmen and the senators do not nurture any outright hostility towards the State of Pakistan. They are regular people like we Pakistanis. If one engages them in a serious and constructive dialogue and make them properly understand about the ground realities with logic, usually they do not take time to fall in line. These law makers are accountable to their constituents and the general public over here is fed up with the wars and they do not want more body bags.

Now the question is -- who is going to bell the cat?

Well with the current impotent, inept and foul mouthed setup in Pakistan the people at the helm of affairs are not equipped in any way to engage in any productive bilateral talks with the US officials in any way. So as a contingency plan, the PM should immediately setup 2 to 3 groups comprising of maximum numbers of ex foreign secretaries, ex ambassadors to the US, armed forces personnel, politicians across from the political divide (Khurshid Kasuri, Sen Syed Mushahid, Sherry Rehman and few others who understand the diplomacy and are eloquent speakers) few educated/neutral media people (Dr. Moeed Pirzada, Nasim Zhera etc.) and give them the task to come up with a workable plan

These groups should immediately start thorough brain storming sessions, with every member giving his/her input --- formulating and finalizing a well thought out strategy. The Prime Minister after discussions should approve the plan and give them the mandate to present Pakistan's case in the US. The government should take the political ownership of the whole process.

These groups should go on a diplomatic offensive in the US --- meeting lawmakers, Pentagon officials, State Department people, various think tanks and above all the US electronic and print media gurus who usually work as opinion makers. This diplomatic offensive for sure will dilute the current hostility towards Pakistan and will take most of the wind out of this hostile policy of the present US administration.

This is what I think may be a better way to move forward.

(P/S: I would appreciate a constructive and a civil debate on Tari Sb's thread, but no slur or mud slinging on any institution please. Its time to stand up and be counted. Be a proud Pakistani by giving your positive input.)
 

angryoldman

Minister (2k+ posts)
جب تک لیٹے رہے گے لوگ اوپر سے گزرتے رہے گے کھڑے ہو کر کسی کا منہ توڑ جواب دیں گے تو لوگوں کی گردنیں جھکیں گی۔
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
................................... So as a contingency plan, the PM should immediately setup 2 to 3 groups comprising of maximum numbers of ex foreign secretaries, ex ambassadors to the US, armed forces personnel, politicians across from the political divide (Khurshid Kasuri, Sen Syed Mushahid, Sherry Rehman and few others who understand the diplomacy and are eloquent speakers)...................................

(P/S: I would appreciate a constructive and a civil debate on Tari Sb's thread, but no slur or mud slinging on any institution please. Its time to stand up and be counted. Be a proud Pakistani by giving your positive input.)

Good suggestion Dr. Sahib but all these are different versions of "Hussain Haqqani"........You didn't mention Shah Mahmood Qureshi, he too falls in the same category.

Moreover, it is now China's call to come forward. It could be through establishing an SCO like block.......specially strong cooperation between Iran, Turkey, and Pakistan.
 

360turn

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just give up, why bother waste Western civilization countries on precious resources when they all could be doing bigger things in Space or Space travel planning?
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


وزیرِ خارجہ خواجہ آصف، اور وزیر داخلہ احسن اگبال، اقاموں کے لیے عربیوں کے اونٹوں کی مٹھ مارتے پھرتے ہیں، ایسوں کو ملک کا حکمران بنایا ہوا ہے، کسی نے کیا خاک اہمیت دینی ہے۔
یہ دونوں وزیر امریکہ کے بیان کو چھوڑ کر اپنے اقامے کا سیاپا بھگتاتے پھر رہے ہیں
شکر کرنا چاہیئے کہ امریکہ نے سیدھا آرڈر ہی نہیں دے دیا،، ورنہ جن کے حکمران ایسے ہوں، ان کی دنیا میں کیا وقت ہو گی؟؟

 

T-i-g-e-r

Senator (1k+ posts)
pakistani needs to become one nation and we need to bring most able and clean people in government . get back the money traitors stole from paksitan like properties of park lane swiss account pay off the debt and make your own policy . pakistan and china needs to start trade with cuba and Mexico and built bases there . india lolz i dont consider them even enemy they dont deserve that status its below our dignity to give even that status to india they should keep fighting with burma sirilanka type .
 

Dr Adam

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Good suggestion Dr. Sahib but all these are different versions of "Hussain Haqqani"........You didn't mention Shah Mahmood Qureshi, he too falls in the same category.

Moreover, it is now China's call to come forward. It could be through establishing an SCO like block.......specially strong cooperation between Iran, Turkey, and Pakistan.




I am not opposed to Shah Mehmood, one can add all the sound minds in the groups during the brain storming sessions. These professionals should formulate recommendations after thread bare discussions and come up with a well thought out plan after open debate before presenting it to the federal government for adoption.
 

Aliimran1

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Extremely disturbing news
Is policy se entire region war theater mein tabdeel honay ja raha hai
Hum Woh war shuro karnay ja rahay hein Jis Ka winner koi nahi ho ga
 

T-i-g-e-r

Senator (1k+ posts)
Extremely disturbing news
Is policy se entire region war theater mein tabdeel honay ja raha hai
Hum Woh war shuro karnay ja rahay hein Jis Ka winner koi nahi ho ga
kiyon nahi ho ga bhai inshallah ham he hi winner hon gay . pichaly atharah sal say ham winner hain .. pakistan nay on qabaili ilaqon mein apni post qaim kar li hain jahan pehlay janay par human rights walay rola dal daitay thay .qomain qurabiyan daiti hain alhamdulilah koi aik shaheed easa nahi jis ki family nay yeh kaha ho hamay apnay shaheedon par fakhar nahi hamara bacha wapis do .. har maan baap nay kaha hai eik nahi 100 hotay tu pakistan par qurban kartay ..mein musharaf ki strategy key khilaf hon magar foj ki himat taqat or mohabat ke khilaf nahi .doniya rahay na rahay pakistan rahay ga inshallah
 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


In my opinion the first & foremost point to understand is that war with the US is NOT an option under any circumstances. With the abundant resources and the current lethal war machine which Pentagon possess nobody on the face of this planet can win a war from the US without itself getting destroyed. (Our clergy and religious parties though will come up with the rhetoric "hum apnay eman kee qoowat say batil amreeka ko is duniya kay naqshay say neest o nabood ker dein gay and blah, blah, blah.....").
Well frankly speaking, such suicidal thinking is simply a non starter in order for us to safeguard ourselves from the colossal collateral damage or total destruction. Keep this in mind that in any such scenario the war theater will be in Pakistan and not in the US.
So any confrontational approach is simply off the table.

The best option is the diplomacy option --- engaging the Pentagon, the State Department and the US policy makers in a productive dialogue. Though you will find many hawks in the current US administration yet most of the law makers -- congressmen and the senators do not nurture any outright hostility towards the State of Pakistan. They are regular people like we Pakistanis. If one engages them in a serious and constructive dialogue and make them properly understand about the ground realities with logic, usually they do not take time to fall in line. These law makers are accountable to their constituents and the general public over here is fed up with the wars and they do not want more body bags.

Now the question is -- who is going to bell the cat?

Well with the current impotent, inept and foul mouthed setup in Pakistan the people at the helm of affairs are not equipped in any way to engage in any productive bilateral talks with the US officials in any way. So as a contingency plan, the PM should immediately setup 2 to 3 groups comprising of maximum numbers of ex foreign secretaries, ex ambassadors to the US, armed forces personnel, politicians across from the political divide (Khurshid Kasuri, Sen Syed Mushahid, Sherry Rehman and few others who understand the diplomacy and are eloquent speakers) few educated/neutral media people (Dr. Moeed Pirzada, Nasim Zhera etc.) and give them the task to come up with a workable plan

These groups should immediately start thorough brain storming sessions, with every member giving his/her input --- formulating and finalizing a well thought out strategy. The Prime Minister after discussions should approve the plan and give them the mandate to present Pakistan's case in the US. The government should take the political ownership of the whole process.

These groups should go on a diplomatic offensive in the US --- meeting lawmakers, Pentagon officials, State Department people, various think tanks and above all the US electronic and print media gurus who usually work as opinion makers. This diplomatic offensive for sure will dilute the current hostility towards Pakistan and will take most of the wind out of this hostile policy of the present US administration.

This is what I think may be a better way to move forward.

(P/S: I would appreciate a constructive and a civil debate on Tari Sb's thread, but no slur or mud slinging on any institution please. Its time to stand up and be counted. Be a proud Pakistani by giving your positive input.)



In my opinion the first & foremost point to understand is that war with the US is NOT an option under any circumstances. With the abundant resources and the current lethal war machine which Pentagon possess nobody on the face of this planet can win a war from the US without itself getting destroyed. (Our clergy and religious parties though will come up with the rhetoric "hum apnay eman kee qoowat say batil amreeka ko is duniya kay naqshay say neest o nabood ker dein gay and blah, blah, blah.....").
Well frankly speaking, such suicidal thinking is simply a non starter in order for us to safeguard ourselves from the colossal collateral damage or total destruction. Keep this in mind that in any such scenario the war theater will be in Pakistan and not in the US.
So any confrontational approach is simply off the table.



جی درست ، ڈپلومیٹک ذرائع / ڈائلاگ یہی حل ہے ، مشرق و مغرب میں تضادات کے باوجود ، مغربی دنیا کا مذاکراتی رویہ و رحجان ، ایک ایسی آپشن ہے ، جس کا ہم فائدہ اٹھا سکتے ہیں ، لیکن اس کے لیے ہماری سوچ ، دلائل اور رویوں میں ٹھوس تبدیلی کی ضرورت ہے ، یہ ایک ایسا معاملہ ہے ، جس کو شدت پسندانہ سوچ سے الگ رکھ کر سلجھایا جا سکتا ہے ، امریکی سیاست اس وقت "معیاری" نہیں ، اس لیے بقیہ دنیا کو ہم بآسانی ساتھ ملا سکتے ہیں





The best option is the diplomacy option --- engaging the Pentagon, the State Department and the US policy makers in a productive dialogue. Though you will find many hawks in the current US administration yet most of the law makers -- congressmen and the senators do not nurture any outright hostility towards the State of Pakistan. They are regular people like we Pakistanis. If one engages them in a serious and constructive dialogue and make them properly understand about the ground realities with logic, usually they do not take time to fall in line. These law makers are accountable to their constituents and the general public over here is fed up with the wars and they do not want more body bags.

Now the question is -- who is going to bell the cat?

Well with the current impotent, inept and foul mouthed setup in Pakistan the people at the helm of affairs are not equipped in any way to engage in any productive bilateral talks with the US officials in any way. So as a contingency plan, the PM should immediately setup 2 to 3 groups comprising of maximum numbers of ex foreign secretaries, ex ambassadors to the US, armed forces personnel, politicians across from the political divide (Khurshid Kasuri, Sen Syed Mushahid, Sherry Rehman and few others who understand the diplomacy and are eloquent speakers) few educated/neutral media people (Dr. Moeed Pirzada, Nasim Zhera etc.) and give them the task to come up with a workable plan

These groups should immediately start thorough brain storming sessions, with every member giving his/her input --- formulating and finalizing a well thought out strategy. The Prime Minister after discussions should approve the plan and give them the mandate to present Pakistan's case in the US. The government should take the political ownership of the whole process.

These groups should go on a diplomatic offensive in the US --- meeting lawmakers, Pentagon officials, State Department people, various think tanks and above all the US electronic and print media gurus who usually work as opinion makers. This diplomatic offensive for sure will dilute the current hostility towards Pakistan and will take most of the wind out of this hostile policy of the present US administration.



بہت اچھی ترتیب ہے ، ایک ایٹمی ، جمہوری ملک کو سیاست ، میڈیا ، دفاعی و سیاسی دانشوران ، کی فصل سے بہت سے قیمتی دماغ مل سکتے ہیں


المیہ یہ ہے


ہمارا ریاستی و سیاسی مزاج اس طرح سے مذاکراتی بلکل نہیں ، ہم درپردہ منصوبہ سازی ، اور گالف کلبس میں پالیسیاں گھڑنے کے عادی ،
پارلیمنٹ ، تھنک ٹینکس ، سول ملٹری ڈائلاگ اس طرح کی مشقتوں سے بے نیاز ، یہاں سیاست ہو یا ریاست ، کوئی بھی بالغ نا ہو سکا



This is what I think may be a better way to move forward.




ایک سنجیدہ ، مفصل و مدلل ، تحریر سے یا تاثر ابھرتا ہے ، کہ آپ ملک کے لیے کیسا سوچتے ہیں ، کتنا سوچتے ہیں ،
:)آپ کا جذبہ و ذہانت دونوں قابل رشک ہیں ، ماشاء الله

 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
، ایسوں کو ملک کا حکمران بنایا ہوا ہے، کسی نے کیا خاک اہمیت دینی ہے۔
یہ دونوں وزیر امریکہ کے بیان کو چھوڑ کر اپنے اقامے کا سیاپا بھگتاتے پھر رہے ہیں
شکر کرنا چاہیئے کہ امریکہ نے سیدھا آرڈر ہی نہیں دے دیا،، ورنہ جن کے حکمران ایسے ہوں، ان کی دنیا میں کیا وقت ہو گی؟؟





مشکل یہی درپیش ہے ، ملک میں سیاسی اشرافیہ اس قدر پست و نکمی ہے ، وہ اس طرح کی مشکل صورتحال کا سامنا کیسے کرے گی ،
تیاری کیا ؟ ترجیحات کیا ، رویہ کیا ، مزاج کیا ؟ سب سامنے ہی تو ہے ، اسی لیے ذرا مایوسی ہے ، وگرنہ ڈونلڈ ٹرمپ اتنا اہم کب سے ہوا