U.S. night raid in Afghanistan elicits outrage, satisfaction, war crimes againt muslims.

Abdali

Senator (1k+ posts)
An Afghan family says innocent people were killed, but the U.S. military expresses certainty that those who died in the early hours of May 14 were insurgents, including a Taliban commander.

Reporting from Surkhrod, Afghanistan The father's eyes reddened with tears as he hefted an English textbook that had belonged to his ninth-grade son, Habibuddin. The boy, along with eight other people, was shot dead this month when American special-operations forces swooped down on the family's remote mud-brick compound in the dead of night.
"There were no Talibs here none," Rafiuddin Kushkaki, the owner of the sun-yellowed wheat fields ringing the rural compound, declared in a defiant voice that trailed off into a sob. "Someone tricked the Americans. They made a mistake."

U.S. military officials, however, expressed certainty that those who died in the early hours of May 14 were insurgents, including a Taliban commander they say was painstakingly tracked to this pastoral district in eastern Afghanistan's Nangarhar province. They also assert that the nocturnal strike, and hundreds of others like it, had unquestionably saved many lives, both Afghan and Western.
As the seemingly irreconcilable narratives of a single deadly encounter point up, no tactic employed by U.S. forces in Afghanistan is so thoroughly obscured by the fog of war as night raids, which are now occurring at a quicker tempo than before in nearly nine years of conflict.
Many Afghans believe these strikes are most often based on faulty intelligence, and carry a heavy risk of accidental civilian deaths as villagers, in the confusion of sudden awakening and darkness, attempt to defend their homes against unexpected invasion.
Human rights groups also point to what they say is the difficulty of holding the military accountable in the aftermath of raids, even when there are civilian deaths involved. Afghan President Hamid Karzai told reporters after returning home from a trip to Washington this month that night raids, to which he has publicly demanded a halt, were among the most important topics he raised with President Obama.
The raids' planners, however, insist on the accuracy of their tracking methods and source-vetting, the degree of care taken to avoid harming innocents, the closeness of coordination with Afghan authorities and the life-and-death urgency of their mission.
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jus throw rocks on them , these us army deserve to be hang INshallah they will be

An Afghan family says innocent people were killed, but the U.S. military expresses certainty that those who died in the early hours of May 14 were insurgents, including a Taliban commander.

Reporting from Surkhrod, Afghanistan The father's eyes reddened with tears as he hefted an English textbook that had belonged to his ninth-grade son, Habibuddin. The boy, along with eight other people, was shot dead this month when American special-operations forces swooped down on the family's remote mud-brick compound in the dead of night.
"There were no Talibs here none," Rafiuddin Kushkaki, the owner of the sun-yellowed wheat fields ringing the rural compound, declared in a defiant voice that trailed off into a sob. "Someone tricked the Americans. They made a mistake."

U.S. military officials, however, expressed certainty that those who died in the early hours of May 14 were insurgents, including a Taliban commander they say was painstakingly tracked to this pastoral district in eastern Afghanistan's Nangarhar province. They also assert that the nocturnal strike, and hundreds of others like it, had unquestionably saved many lives, both Afghan and Western.
As the seemingly irreconcilable narratives of a single deadly encounter point up, no tactic employed by U.S. forces in Afghanistan is so thoroughly obscured by the fog of war as night raids, which are now occurring at a quicker tempo than before in nearly nine years of conflict.
Many Afghans believe these strikes are most often based on faulty intelligence, and carry a heavy risk of accidental civilian deaths as villagers, in the confusion of sudden awakening and darkness, attempt to defend their homes against unexpected invasion.
Human rights groups also point to what they say is the difficulty of holding the military accountable in the aftermath of raids, even when there are civilian deaths involved. Afghan President Hamid Karzai told reporters after returning home from a trip to Washington this month that night raids, to which he has publicly demanded a halt, were among the most important topics he raised with President Obama.
The raids' planners, however, insist on the accuracy of their tracking methods and source-vetting, the degree of care taken to avoid harming innocents, the closeness of coordination with Afghan authorities and the life-and-death urgency of their mission.
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shame on us army terrorists , i wish i could cut your neck with my own bear hands n throw ur flesh to dogs .
 

Afsr

MPA (400+ posts)
Innocent Muslim blood is so cheap :( .
Who is real terrorist ??????????????????????????
 

khan afghan1

Minister (2k+ posts)
And then we call ourselves muslims when we help others in killing our own people.hame on Krzai and their allies in doing so.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Beause you are blind, deaf, and dumb.
Geek bhai,
1. I always support the US or Pk forces when they carryout strikes against terrorists.

2. I believe that even if there are civilian casualties, the responsibility lies with the Taliban or the village elders who have given shelter to these terrorists.
They are the ones who put the lives of those innocent civilians by being among them. They are the ones using civilians as human shield.

3. Some time ago, your Air Force carried out an airstrike, in which many civilians were killed, then too, i didn't blame the Pk forces for the deaths of those civilians.

My line of thinking is the same whether it is US or Pk forces...its not like i side with US when they mistakenly kill civilians and oppose Pk forces when they kill civilians, had i been doing that then you could call me a hypocrite...
 

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Geek bhai,
1. I always support the US or Pk forces when they carryout strikes against terrorists.

2. I believe that even if there are civilian casualties, the responsibility lies with the Taliban or the village elders who have given shelter to these terrorists.
They are the ones who put the lives of those innocent civilians by being among them. They are the ones using civilians as human shield.

3. Some time ago, your Air Force carried out an airstrike, in which many civilians were killed, then too, i didn't blame the Pk forces for the deaths of those civilians.

My line of thinking is the same whether it is US or Pk forces...its not like i side with US when they mistakenly kill civilians and oppose Pk forces when they kill civilians, had i been doing that then you could call me a hypocrite...

Contra you are a true example of "bagal mai churi mun mai ram ram" look at youself, you addess every member as bhai bahi and leave no chance to hurt em, see your comments here you ar sayiong I support Pak Army and for taliban are responsible for civilian casualties and on other thread you are saying Pak army is responsible for human rights violation what a hypocrisy.

1. I am happy that people are questioning the tactics of Pk Army.

2. It is a good and positive development that it is being acknowledged that the behaviour of US and Israeli forces is relatively better than that of Pk army.

(clap)(clap)(clap)

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-by-The-Pak-Army&p=179565&posted=1#post179565
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Geek bhai,
1. Every force involved in counter insurgency operations does carry out some human rights violations. India in J&K, Pk in Balochistan, US in Iraq etc.

2. The thread is about the alleged killing of civilians, I am saying that the Taliban are responsible for those deaths, not the US forces. And similarly Pakistan is not responsible for the death of civilians in course of action against terrorists hiding among civilians.
Regarding the families of alleged Taliban being expelled, that is of course against human rights.

3. Honestly, the way you constantly paint people born in or belonging to a certain religion as deceptive and liars is in bad taste.