Turkey: Coup attempt makes Presidential System under Islamic Values Inevitable

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
President Erdogan could be using the coup against him to turn Turkey towards full-scale Islamisation

The implementation of Mr Erdogan’s long-desired presidential system based on Islamic values is beginning to look inevitable, says Patrick Cockburn


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Turkish police arrest Turkish soldiers at Taksim Square in Istanbul on 16 July 2016 EPAAs crowds chant calls for the execution of those involved in the failed coup in Turkey, there are fears that this once-secular country is decisively turning the corner towards full scale Islamisation. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is using the attempted military takeover to justify a purge of state officials and army officers who do not give him total obedience, opening the door for him to establish an all-powerful presidency while seemingly Islamising Turkish society to a degree not seen since the fall of the Ottomans.
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The purge continued at full throttle on Monday with the sacking of 8,000 police and 30 governors as well as 52 high ranking civil servants. This is in addition to 70 admirals and generals along with 3,000 soldiers and 2,700 members of the judiciary fired or detained since the coup failed on Saturday.

As pro-coup forces were rounded up over the weekend, there were parades of religious zealots in the streets chanting “Allahu Akbar” as giant speakers in Taksim Square in central Istanbul blasted out verses from the Koran. Appeals from Turkey’s 85,000 mosques played a significant role in mobilising popular protests in the hours after the coup began. In Gezi Park in Istanbul, the centre of secularist and liberal protests against Mr Erdogan’s authoritarian rule three years ago, was now filled with crowds loyal to the President.

The increasingly Islamist mood is already influencing social mores in Istanbul. Selin Derya, 26, who works for a business head hunting company, says that since pro-Erdogan crowds flooded into city centre in the aftermath of the coup “I am frightened of going out wearing a dress that some bigot might think is too close fitting or does not like the fact that my skirt ends above the knee.” Another secular woman in Istanbul explained that she does not want to enter the city centre at the moment because she fears harassment by religious extremists.

In pictures: Turkey coup attempt




There have been escalating signs of intolerance of secular lifestyles in recent years, including an attack in June by two dozen men on a music store in Istanbul where they beat up Radiohead fans whom they accused of drinking alcohol during the holy month of Ramadan. When protesters gathered to demonstrate against the attack, they were dispersed by police using tear gas and water cannon.

The programme of Mr Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) since they won their first general election in 2002 has been to reverse the secularisation introduced by Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the republic in 1923. As the AKP has tightened its grip on power, it has chipped away at the secular institutions of the state and encouraged the Islamisation of education and social behaviour as well as seeking to cull non-Islamist officials and officers.

Mr Erdogan has said that he wants to see “the growth of a religious generation”, which would replace long-standing secular domination in Turkey. His foreign policy since the Arab Spring in 2011 has been to support the largely Sunni Arab uprising in Syria in alliance with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, though his efforts to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad have so far failed. This strategy included tolerance for extreme Islamist jihadi movements such as Isis, Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, enabling them to establish networks of support inside Turkey. However, in the summer of 2015 the Turkish government agreed to let the US and four other states, including the UK, use Incirlik air base in south east Turkey for air strikes against Isis. Gunmen and bombers from the Islamist group attacked Ataturk Istanbul airport in June killing 42 people.



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The failed coup will enable the implementation of Mr Erdogan’s long-desired presidential system based on Islamic values. It is unlikely to face much resistance now from people who do not want to be labelled as coup sympathisers. Not only are large numbers of soldiers and officials being arrested, but they are being publicly humiliated by being beaten, forced to strip to their underwear and lie crammed together on the floor of wherever they are being held. The commander of Incirlik air base, Gen Bekir Ercan Van, was shown on film handcuffed and being bundled into the back of a van.

Mr Erdogan is likely to find it easier to create an executive presidency, with all power concentrated in his hands, given that his victorious aura, following the failure of the coup, has enhanced his popular support. Though Turks are deeply divided between his supporters and opponents, few want to see him replaced by a military junta. “He expanded his political base by increased nationalist support after he abandoned peace process with the Kurds after the 7 June general election last year,” said a political observer. “he has even more support now.”


Turkish rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in sights but did not fire


US and EU officials have called on Turkey's government to respect the rule of law amid the purge of state institutions in the wake of the attempted coup.

As regards the coup plotters, it looks likely that only the movement led by the US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen would have had the connections within the Turkish armed forces to organise such a widespread conspiracy – although Mr Gulen and his supporters have denied any involvement. This coup may not have been as big as the Government now says it was in order to justify its crack down on all its opponents, but it was still impressively large and was not far from succeeding from seizing power for a few hours on 15 July.

An explanation may be that the Gulenists, when closely allied to Mr Erdogan and the AKP between 2006 and 2012, played a leading role in helping him defang the armed forces. They ruthlessly led a witch hunt inside the army with hundreds of officers removed or arrested accused of plotting a coup which probably never existed. The Gulenists appear to have used the opportunity to replace the ousted officers with their own sympathisers who were activated last Friday night to launch a coup of their own.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nt-erdogan-islam-akp-government-a7142836.html


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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The seculars, liberal bayghairats, and in general the idiot brigade should read these statements from the above article very closely as they wondered "How Islam will rise again and that its a thing of the past" :biggthumpup: . A royal slap on their faces and the ULTIMATE Nightmare has now emerged !

"opening the door for him to establish an all-powerful presidency while seemingly Islamising Turkish society to a degree not seen since the fall of the Ottomans."
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"Aik Hoga Musalman Harem ki Pasbani kay liay Neel kay sahil say layker Tabakhakay Kashgar" - Baba Iqbal Ra

For those idiots whose eyes are closed should read the above article and tell us how can they stop an Islamist Turkey Now ??
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Sohraab

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"Aik Hoga Musalman Harem ki Pasbani kay liay Neel kay sahil say layker Tabakhakay Kashgar" - Baba Iqbal Ra

For those idiots whose eyes are closed should read the above article and tell us how can they stop an Islamist Turkey Now ??
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yahan bhi halaat theek ho jain ge jis din Turkey ki tarha Pakistan ke asal culprits ko bhi Roads par kutttton ki tarha maara jai ga
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Is may koi shaq nahi ...wahan awam islamist leader kay saath hai aur yahan awam Islamist Army kay saath !

yahan bhi halaat theek ho jain ge jis din Turkey ki tarha Pakistan ke asal culprits ko bhi Roads par kutttton ki tarha maara jai ga
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The moment a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leader talks about Islamic Values there goes Turkeys NATO membership ?? - Where are democratic Values now ??..Where is secularism ?

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Turkish soldiers secure Istanbul's Taksim square, early Saturday, July 16, 2016. (AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)


Turkey could fall foul of Nato's "requirement with respect to democracy" if it fails to uphold the rule of law in the wake of an attempted coup, the US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned.

The Turkish government's response to the failed coup has alarmed both the US and the EU, after it described the plotters as a "cancer" which had to be "cleansed" from public institutions.

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A State Department spokesman has suggested it is "too soon to say" if a clampdown by the Erdogan government could jeopardise Turkey's membership of Nato.
But Nato's leadership has made it clear that a commitment to "uphold democracy, including tolerating diversity" is one of the five core requirements for members of the alliance.
Around 8,000 police officers have been suspended across Turkey following the failed coup, with more than 6,000 people in the army, the judiciary and other state bodies arrested as part of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's response to Friday's events.
Erdogan has said the people who attempted the coup "must pay," and that the government will consider introducing the death penalty for people beleived to have committed traitorous acts against the state.
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At a joint news conference with EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, US Secretary of State John Kerry said that America stands "squarely on the side of the elected leadership in Turkey," but that "we urge the government of Turkey to to uphold the highest standards of respect for the nation's democratic institutions and the rule of law".
While Ms Mogherini warned that countries that allow the death penalty cannot joing the European Union, Mr Kerry added that "Nato also has a requirement with respect to democracy," Washington Post reported.
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A man stands in front of a tank in the entrance to Istanbul's Ataturk airport, early Saturday, July 16, 2016. Members of Turkey's armed forces said they had taken control of the country, but Turkish officials said the coup attempt had been repelled early Saturday morning in a night of violence, according to state-run media. (Ismail Coskun/IHA via AP)


The US "will certainly support bringing the perpetrators of the coup to justice," he said, "but we also caution against a reach that goes beyond that and stress the importance of the democratic rule being upheld".
The Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has insisted that President Erdogan's government will respect democracy, while Mr Kerry responded that Nato would "measure" its actions. "Obviously a lot of people have been arrested and arrested very quickly," Mr Kerry added, "The level of vigilance and scrutiny is obviously going to be significant in the days ahead. Hopefully we can work in a contructive way that prevents backsliding."
Ms Mogherini said the indcident "is no excuse to take the country away from fundamental rights and the rule of law, and we will be extremely vigilant on that."
The pair spoke after a meeting in Brussels that also included the bloc's 28 foreign ministers.
US officials have since denied Mr Kerry's comments on Nato were a warning to Turkey. State Department spokesman John Kirby told the Washington Post that Nato will be watching Turkey carefully, but added it was "too soon to say" its membership was at risk.
A senior official from the US embassy in Ankara told the Daily Sabbah, "Secretary Kerry didn't say anything at all about Nato membership being in jeopardy. There is nothing in his actual statement that indicates the US believes Turkey is in a danger in this sense."
In Berlin, Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman said talks on Turkey's bid to the join EU would end if Ankara restores the death penalty.
Her spokesman Steffen Seibert said "the institution of the death penalty can only mean that such a country could not be a member" of the bloc.
Both Ms Mogherini and Mr Kerry reiterated the trans-Atlantic support for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's democratically-elected government.
But they illustrated deepening frustration with the Erdogan government's response to the failed coup, which has even included allegations by ministers of US complicity in the violence.
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It was Ataturk's ideology to separate state from religion. This is been the golden formula for any modern state as personal belief systems are not based on facts they are based on faith. Faith cannot be used to run a state and it has been proven in history over time. And any state that copies it ie, Korea, Japan and Turkey. Its sad that one of the few Muslim majority countries will go down the same sh1t hole like the rest of the Muslim world under Erdogan. It would be sad to see Turkey make the same mistake that Pakistan did, declaring an Islamic republic. Such a state is not compatible with the modern world, or Human rights. If you have a state with an ethnicity or personal belief in the name of the state or favoured over other ethnicities or religion, you can neither have freedom of religion nor speech in such a backward state.

Is may koi shaq nahi ...wahan awam islamist leader kay saath hai aur yahan awam Islamist Army kay saath !
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If you see the people who were on streets, there were not very big crowds. Very few females. Mostly men with Mustache. Secular men in Turkey rarely keep any facial hair. You are speaking in extremes of black in white while ignoring the grey areas. Erdogan is taking Turkey into another civil war. Its unconstitutional in Turkey to involve religion in State matters. Because he does not have majority in Parliament who is using unconstitutional methods and force by removing judges, academics and generals so that no one can oppose his stupidity. There was nothing wrong with the State of Turkey until Erdogan trying to bring Islamization.

Is may koi shaq nahi ...wahan awam islamist leader kay saath hai aur yahan awam Islamist Army kay saath !

no no my friend , you are wrong , i will tell you again sometime today i am so tired mentaly
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Your information is factually wrong and simply incorrect. Turkey was a decandant state headed for financial chaos under the so called secular order. You dont believe me ? ..Go check out stats from the past and where its lira stood then compared to now. NO state can rule for Hundreds of years without progress, wealth and rule of law. The ottomans, mughals, Rashidun khulafah's have done it for centuries . They had their problems, yes, BUT were never humiliated like so called Muslim countries are today. Countries that are run on a system that does not subscribe to any value system based on morality are to be be blamed for the suffering of humanity in the modern world, be it :

1- World wars

2- Nooking of weak countries

3- Causing economic collapses

4- Survival of the financial fitest through various ideologies

5- An atmosphere of fear and chaos around the world which fuels racism, stereotyping particular races and down right unfairness.

None of these occured during the Islamic reigns in any capacity similar to what is happening in the "so called modern world" . This needs to change and the Turkish people and even more people around are starting to see this.

It would be a breath of fresh air to see a more vibrant Turkey to cut through ALL the hypocrisy of the so called modern world for not allowing it into the EU because of their Faith, yet they are secular, in supporting the coup in the initial moments only to backout once they learned that it hasnt been successfull and NOW threatening to remove them from NATO simply because the people DEMOCRATICALLY supported their leader and yet, that is their fault.

NO THANK YOU :biggthumpup: - I think its evident that the world has seen enough of this duplicity and it has moved beyond it. As is evident from the news.

Good luck with your theories and welcome Kardesi to Erdogan and the New Turkey !!


It was Ataturk's ideology to separate state from religion. This is been the golden formula for any modern state as personal belief systems are not based on facts they are based on faith. Faith cannot be used to run a state and it has been proven in history over time. And any state that copies it ie, Korea, Japan and Turkey. Its sad that one of the few Muslim majority countries will go down the same sh1t hole like the rest of the Muslim world under Erdogan. It would be sad to see Turkey make the same mistake that Pakistan did, declaring an Islamic republic. Such a state is not compatible with the modern world, or Human rights. If you have a state with an ethnicity or personal belief in the name of the state or favoured over other ethnicities or religion, you can neither have freedom of religion nor speech in such a backward state.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Again factually incorrect information. 50 000 people so far have been rounded up in the anti-coup drive !...You think if the majority of the people were against erdogan they would have allowed him to continue ?? - You must be joking dude.

Instead of looking at western media pictures go to the local turkish center and ask the people :biggthumpup: . They will tell you the real story.

When you commit treason, their is NO force that can stop you. Those generals and his supporters be it judiciary, or anywhere have every right to be punished for there treason in conspiring against a Democratically elected government.

In a democracy the will of the people is supreme right, SO if the majority of the people have ELECTED Erdogan and They want Islamisization then SO BE IT . Learn to live with the will.

Its as easy as that. Some people want to be secular SOME dont - its their right ! just as much as it is yours.

Oh yeah yeah we know UNCONSITUTIONAL even in India its UNconstitutional yet the cow slaughter is banned, Its unconstitutional in france, yet the Burka is banned, its Unconstitutional in Switzerland yet the minaret is banned. They will ask the people and make the constitution according to what the people want.

So what if erdogan bans secularism : Its their values like secularism has its own. To you your own and to them their own- plain and simple !

Its as democratic as that :biggthumpup:

If you see the people who were on streets, there were not very big crowds. Very few females. Mostly men with Mustache. Secular men in Turkey rarely keep any facial hair. You are speaking in extremes of black in white while ignoring the grey areas. Erdogan is taking Turkey into another civil war. Its unconstitutional in Turkey to involve religion in State matters. Because he does not have majority in Parliament who is using unconstitutional methods and force by removing judges, academics and generals so that no one can oppose his stupidity. There was nothing wrong with the State of Turkey until Erdogan trying to bring Islamization.
 
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ballumsingh

Banned
"Aik Hoga Musalman Harem ki Pasbani kay liay Neel kay sahil say layker Tabakhakay Kashgar" - Baba Iqbal Ra

For those idiots whose eyes are closed should read the above article and tell us how can they stop an Islamist Turkey Now ??
:biggthumpup:





ya khuda inhe aqal de . iski ankhe khol de , pakistan ko barbad karke is jaiso ko chain nahi aya hai , ab turki ko bhi pakistan jaisa badhal banayenge ye lal topi ke balungday .
 
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nepali.nationalist

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ya khuda endia ko bachalay Us ko toiletless R@pe capital bana ker chain nahi aya in Ch@ddi walay r@pist deyshatgardon say, ab to koi bhi cheez chaye janwar ho ya insaan in ki r@pe activity say mehfooz nahin. Ya khuda endia ko in janwaron aur deeger kuton say bhi mehmoz ker- shukria

ya khuda inhe aqal de . iski ankhe khol de , pakistan ko barbad karke is jaiso ko chain nahi aya hai , ab turki ko bhi pakistan jaisa badhal banayenge ye lal topi ke balungday .
 

nepali.nationalist

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ya khuda endia mein chund ***** hain jo ch@ddi pehn ker jawan lerkiyon ki intestines nikaltay hain aur foreign objects daltay hain ...ya khuda aesay kuton ko saza day ...ab yeh turki jakay bhi apna gunda dhandha export kerna chahtay hain...wahan in per export-control laga day

India Rapes 40 000 women every year ! or one Indian woman every 15 minutes !


Rape Stats for previous years yet only 10% of rapes are reported in India


2011 24,206 (reported rapes per year in India)
2012 24,923
2013 33,707
2014 37,000




Horrifying and disgusting rape cases like :


Inserting foreign Objects into little childrens private parts !


Candle, bottle forced into minor rape victim: doctors



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A five-year-old girl, who was raped allegedly by a neighbour after holding her captive for four days, is battling for life due to infection contracted from foreign objects found inside her body, doctors said on Friday.
The incident reported on Thursday from Gandhi Nagar triggered protests outside Swami Dayanand Hospital, where a woman protester was slapped by a Delhi Police officer. ACP Ahlawat has been suspended soon after, media reports said.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi...tim-doctors/story-8xh5TgW7NBy672VWYmuMaM.html

Why do Indian Rapists pull out Intestines of the victim ? Completely unprecedented savagery !
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A 30-year-old law student in Kerala was raped and murdered and her body was found with the intestines hanging out in an incident that has chilling echoes of the 2012 gangrape of Delhi student Jyoti Singh, who came to be known as Nirbhaya.
http://www.ukmalayalee.com/kerala-news/news.php?id=NDMwNw==

Indian Girl Nirbhaya raped and had intestines pulled out on a BUS ! Yet the rapist says she "deserved it" !!
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ya khuda yeh lal topi ke balungde turki ko bhi pakistan jaisa bana dena chahte hai , kum se kum turki ke bacho ko bacha le , bade hi bure log hai bacho ko bhi nahi chhorte . turki me bhi kasur child abuse jaisa saniha kar dalenge .[/QUOTE]
 

strangerthanfiction

MPA (400+ posts)
In Other words monarchy , when he started his castle numa ghar which is largest by the way of any ruler i knew he will leave now only if removed or dead. He is a dictator
 

nepali.nationalist

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
How is he a dictator when he got elected ?.and the reason for your comment is because he is a Muslim is that why ??..isnt that downright RACISM ..Do you have any sense !

There are several dictators around and those countries are doing well too. One that is loved by his people can be anyone. Thats why they even lay infront of tanks for him. And plus china, the middle east and even russia all have dictators and not to mention the largest running monarchies in the UK and Netherlands:biggthumpup:.

If all those countries can do well, so will turkey with a burgeoning economy and progressive attitude. After erdogan is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED RULER. Its the will of the people respect it. Dont show your double standards.

In Other words monarchy , when he started his castle numa ghar which is largest by the way of any ruler i knew he will leave now only if removed or dead. He is a dictator
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One point at a time.
Democracy: In democracy people are not supreme. Constitution is supreme. The role of constitution is to protect people from what is popular and dangerous. If majority want a bad idea like involving religion in state matters which never works out in any country. Then the constitution protects people from this. If majority wants to hang an innocent person then the constitution will protect him from this.

India: By quoting India you are actually supporting my point of view. Indian laws are not based on secularism, their laws are based on their religious faith. This is why I said it is stupidity to base laws on personal belief systems. Because personal belief systems are not based on evidence or facts, you can never prove them right or wrong you cannot base laws on them. This is the same Sh1t hole that Erdogan wants to drag Turkey into.

Dont lose your common sense because of your religious fanaticism. You are a child and do not understand how the world works. There is no modern developed state in the world that is functioning with religion. You can quote outliers like Malaysia and oil rich countries but the correlation between religiosity and prosperity seals the deal. Nations like France matured out of religion over time to become advanced powerful countries over hundreds of years. Just like children grow up and mature and stop believing in Gini's and Santa Claus.

Again factually incorrect information. 50 000 people so far have been rounded up in the anti-coup drive !...You think if the majority of the people were against erdogan they would have allowed him to continue ?? - You must be joking dude.

Instead of looking at western media pictures go to the local turkish center and ask the people :biggthumpup: . They will tell you the real story.

When you commit treason, their is NO force that can stop you. Those generals and his supporters be it judiciary, or anywhere have every right to be punished for there treason in conspiring against a Democratically elected government.

In a democracy the will of the people is supreme right, SO if the majority of the people have ELECTED Erdogan and They want Islamisization then SO BE IT . Learn to live with the will.

Its as easy as that. Some people want to be secular SOME dont - its their right ! just as much as it is yours.

Oh yeah yeah we know UNCONSITUTIONAL even in India its UNconstitutional yet the cow slaughter is banned, Its unconstitutional in france, yet the Burka is banned, its Unconstitutional in Switzerland yet the minaret is banned. They will ask the people and make the constitution according to what the people want.

So what if erdogan bans secularism : Its their values like secularism has its own. To you your own and to them their own- plain and simple !

Its as democratic as that :biggthumpup:
 

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