Truth should come out

[staray khaatir]

Joint session of the parliament is starting tomorrow.Pakistani parliament has been united against any unconstitutional intervention and has provide great support to the elected prime minister.Well done so for;But that is not enough to safe guard and strengthen democracy and democratic institutions.After the revelations of

Javed Hashmi there is an urgent need for bringing the truth out in the open.A parliamentary committee or judicial commission can probe these allegations.As there is some evidence indicating that some parts of the military establishment(spearheaded by ISI) and excluding COAS has planned this whole AZADI/INQILAB drama.The obvious goal was to humiliate the elected PM and put him in his right place as he was showing a tendency of FREE DECISION MAKING.

The committe/commision should find the perpetrators of the so called LONDON PLAN and bring them to justice along with their civilian puppets of IK+TUQ+SHEIKH RASHID and CHOUDHRIES and prosecute them under ARTICLE 6
It seems like an impossible task to question these real power brokers but that's the only way to solve this problem of military adventurism once and for all.The other option is military controlled democracy with long periods of DIRECT RULE.

 

[baalti]

you just took a major load of crap and dumped it all in this thread... bravo...

 

[Aslan]

Nawaz and his brother are murderers.Their is overwhelming evidence they ordered the killing of 14 people in model town and others in Islamabad. These murders are going to haunt them from now on.Their is no way they can extricate themselves.The sooner we get rid of this corrupt mafia the better.

 

[Wake Up Pakistan]

Just Another Piece of Crap. So you are Backing Killers sitting in Parliaments. I can only Pray for you.

Demo Cracy or Coalition of Killers & Corrupt.

 

[Nice2MU]

Pahlay tu Asghar Khan case kay faislay ki roshnai may sab ku Sazaaye mil Jaye pher kuee Commission be bana day.

 

[wahreh]

Nicely put. Thats exactly needed by the parliament

 

[MHAMZA]

@staray khaatir & wahreh
Please explain!!
1- There is no script if there were a script then Imran Khan would not have embarrassed himself by giving dates upon dates to his supporters that Gov will fall on such and such date etc etc.
2- The incident that triggered the Azadi March and Inqlab March was the Model Town Massacre by PML-N and if there was a script then PML-N are also part of the act....way to crazy!!!
3- If current Chief Justice was in favor of Imran Khan then there would have not be any problem to make Nawaz Sharief resignation an issue Supreme Court would have de-seated him..
4- If he is not the inside man of PML-N in PTI then his house would also have been attacked in Multan by the PML-N Goons like Shah Mehmood Qurashi's residence was attacked in Multan!!!

 

[staray khaatir]

Nawaz and his brother are murderers.Their is overwhelming evidence they ordered the killing of 14 people in model town and others in Islamabad. These murders are going to haunt them from now on.Their is no way they can extricate themselves.The sooner we get rid of this corrupt mafia the better.

i would love to replace SHARIF BROTHERS with someone better but through a constitutional process and with the support of masses.i dont want inqilab of TUQ,SHEEDA and CHOUDHARIES scripted by military establishment.military has more important things to look after than involving into politics,

 

[umerazam]

truth is that it is proved Nawaz Shareef took money from army ISI and there is a whole Supreme court decision on that


abhi b you want to know the truth ...had ha yar....and aik bnde k ilzam pe yakeen kr rehe ...Allah hashmi ko poche ga

 

[staray khaatir]

@staray khaatir & wahreh
Please explain!!
1- There is no script if there were a script then Imran Khan would not have embarrassed himself by giving dates upon dates to his supporters that Gov will fall on such and such date etc etc.
2- The incident that triggered the Azadi March and Inqlab March was the Model Town Massacre by PML-N and if there was a script then PML-N are also part of the act....way to crazy!!!
3- If current Chief Justice was in favor of Imran Khan then there would have not be any problem to make Nawaz Sharief resignation an issue Supreme Court would have de-seated him..
4- If he is not the inside man of PML-N in PTI then his house would also have been attacked in Multan by the PML-N Goons like Shah Mehmood Qurashi's residence was attacked in Multan!!!

1:As first part of the plan the PUPPETS would mobilized MASSES and would bring about a million/few hundred thousand people to islamabad,that part of the plan badly failed despite the presence of IK.
2: TUQ was going to do his REVOLUTION MARCH anyway,MODEL TOWN INCIDENT provided him the much needed media attention and public sympathy.
3:The only reason the REAL MASTER MINDS of this movement have failed to move any further is that PARLIMENT/POLITICAL PARTIES has been united and fully supporting NS.
What JH was saying that IK was telling him that JUDGES are also part of the conspiracy but it may not be true as this might have been a bluff by his HANDLERS to encourage and assure him of a flawless plan.
4:Beside the SMQ incident how many other PTI members/MPAs/MNAs have been attacked by Nawaz League supporters?it was just one of incident with out any plan or approval from PML-N leadership.

There are 3 major factors which has proved it difficult for the planners to go ahead with their original plan.

1: Failure on the part of revolutionaries to gather enough crowd.
2:NS being supported by all political/civil society forces.
3:Govt has successfully avoided bloodshed in islamabad.th

The match was still wide open with these few thousands TUQ workers but JH has turned the table now.There is no chancd what so ever that the so called LONDON PLAN could be implemented now.

 

[MHAMZA]

There are 3 major factors which has proved it difficult for the planners to go ahead with their original plan.

1: Failure on the part of revolutionaries to gather enough crowd. WRONG!!!
2:NS being supported by all political/civil society forces.WRONG!!!!
3:Govt has successfully avoided bloodshed in islamabad. WRONG!!! READ ALL ISPR RELEASES!!!

The match was still wide open with these few thousands TUQ workers but JH has turned the table now.There is no chancd what so ever that the so called LONDON PLAN could be implemented now.

1:As first part of the plan the PUPPETS would mobilized MASSES and would bring about a million/few hundred thousand people to islamabad,that part of the plan badly failed despite the presence of IK.
1A- For Imran Khan to be a puppet he needs strings attached, yet there is no string of corruption or moral turpitude is attached to him, why would he risk his sterling political struggle for an unconfirmed chance ??? that too with unseen masters?? If he wanted he could have enjoyed a lot of power and fake prestige during Busharef era..

1B- If the "puppets" themselves had to muster 1 million participants on their own they would certainly not need the "puppet masters" since the entire might of Punjab Police and Islamabad Police together could not have stopped it....
Just for argument sake 500 Rs per person from any part of Pakistan to Islamabad is a very conservative figure and if funded by the puppets would relive them in excess of 500 million Rs this is only to put the people into the capital atleast quadruple it for their boarding and lodging makes 2 Billion!! do you think with either one of them or both combined have this much hidden from the Gov & FBR??? i.e there has to be a money trail...there is none of such magnitude the FBR could not find it!!!

2: TUQ was going to do his REVOLUTION MARCH anyway,MODEL TOWN INCIDENT provided him the much needed media attention and public sympathy.

Wrong!! It has been widely discussed and asserted by both PTI and PAT spokespersons that on the onset of Zarb-e-Azab
PTI had postponed its Bahawalpur Jalsa, Sheikh Rasheed had cancelled his train march and TUQ was thinking of cancelling his visit all together.

3:The only reason the REAL MASTER MINDS of this movement have failed to move any further is that PARLIMENT/POLITICAL PARTIES has been united and fully supporting NS.
Ask anyone on the road in Pakistan he/she will tell you that PML-N and PPP are two faces of the same coin called staus quo,
If you call for true election reforms and election rigging investigations - All Status Quo parties would oppose it !! For they have never contested elections in a fair and free manner - It is so simple as "birds of the same feather flock together!!"
How in God's name can the "puppet masters make such a big miscalculation!!!???As it was just yesterday that both these parties had united to oust Busharef in favor of Zardari and then made amendments to allow Nawaz to be PM for a third term!!!

What JH was saying that IK was telling him that JUDGES are also part of the conspiracy but it may not be true as this might have been a bluff by his HANDLERS to encourage and assure him of a flawless plan.
What in God's name would have possessed the "puppets" to trust their handlers when the judiciary was bending over backwards like a Kangaroo to appease the Kings of Riwind as witnessed during the Geo and Najam Sethi episodes...!!!

4:Beside the SMQ incident how many other PTI members/MPAs/MNAs have been attacked by Nawaz League supporters?it was just one of incident with out any plan or approval from PML-N leadership.
Wrong!! The Multan PML-N MPA was invloved and both Hashmi and SQM have houses in Multan, any political worker would have gone for the traitor rather than an opponent but they didn't!!!

CONCLUSION THERE IS NO LONDON PLAN IT IS JUST A HALF BACKED CONCOCTION AT BEST!!!

PS. Please come up with some thing better next time...I am waiting!!

 

[staray khaatir]

1:As first part of the plan the PUPPETS would mobilized MASSES and would bring about a million/few hundred thousand people to islamabad,that part of the plan badly failed despite the presence of IK.
1A- For Imran Khan to be a puppet he needs strings attached, yet there is no string of corruption or moral turpitude is attached to him, why would he risk his sterling political struggle for an unconfirmed chance ??? that too with unseen masters?? If he wanted he could have enjoyed a lot of power and fake prestige during Busharef era..

1B- If the "puppets" themselves had to muster 1 million participants on their own they would certainly not need the "puppet masters" since the entire might of Punjab Police and Islamabad Police together could not have stopped it....
Just for argument sake 500 Rs per person from any part of Pakistan to Islamabad is a very conservative figure and if funded by the puppets would relive them in excess of 500 million Rs this is only to put the people into the capital atleast quadruple it for their boarding and lodging makes 2 Billion!! do you think with either one of them or both combined have this much hidden from the Gov & FBR??? i.e there has to be a money trail...there is none of such magnitude the FBR could not find it!!!

2: TUQ was going to do his REVOLUTION MARCH anyway,MODEL TOWN INCIDENT provided him the much needed media attention and public sympathy.

Wrong!! It has been widely discussed and asserted by both PTI and PAT spokespersons that on the onset of Zarb-e-Azab
PTI had postponed its Bahawalpur Jalsa, Sheikh Rasheed had cancelled his train march and TUQ was thinking of cancelling his visit all together.

3:The only reason the REAL MASTER MINDS of this movement have failed to move any further is that PARLIMENT/POLITICAL PARTIES has been united and fully supporting NS.
Ask anyone on the road in Pakistan he/she will tell you that PML-N and PPP are two faces of the same coin called staus quo,
If you call for true election reforms and election rigging investigations - All Status Quo parties would oppose it !! For they have never contested elections in a fair and free manner - It is so simple as "birds of the same feather flock together!!"
How in God's name can the "puppet masters make such a big miscalculation!!!???As it was just yesterday that both these parties had united to oust Busharef in favor of Zardari and then made amendments to allow Nawaz to be PM for a third term!!!

What JH was saying that IK was telling him that JUDGES are also part of the conspiracy but it may not be true as this might have been a bluff by his HANDLERS to encourage and assure him of a flawless plan.
What in God's name would have possessed the "puppets" to trust their handlers when the judiciary was bending over backwards like a Kangaroo to appease the Kings of Riwind as witnessed during the Geo and Najam Sethi episodes...!!!

4:Beside the SMQ incident how many other PTI members/MPAs/MNAs have been attacked by Nawaz League supporters?it was just one of incident with out any plan or approval from PML-N leadership.
Wrong!! The Multan PML-N MPA was invloved and both Hashmi and SQM have houses in Multan, any political worker would have gone for the traitor rather than an opponent but they didn't!!!

CONCLUSION THERE IS NO LONDON PLAN IT IS JUST A HALF BACKED CONCOCTION AT BEST!!!

PS. Please come up with some thing better next time...I am waiting!!

1A: Strings are not essential as radio control system is in place.There needs to be enough POWER provided.
2: The PTI is a political party and PAT is a very well organised organisation.both have their own funds/finances (IK did some fund raising for the march purpose specifically) for organisation/running their events,and they were supposed to DO ALL THIS to have their lion share of power in the up coming set up.even if they relied on the funds from the PLANNERS,still they wont do it in way easily detectable.

2: read this piece of news from early june,long before MODEL TOWN TRAGEDY
http://e.jang.com.pk/06-01-2014/pindi/pic.asp?picname=623.gif

3:i completely agree with this part of your analysis that the STATUS QUE parties are united against this current move for the sake of their own interests but the result is that establishment cant play them against each other like 90s.
4:i personally believe that highier courts in pakistan have been relatively free thnx to choudhry iftikhar and lawyers movement but even if they were somewhat under the influence of NS ,the HANDLERS told IK that the next CHIEF JUSTICE is our man,and as i said it might have been a bluff because the current CJ has a lot of respect in legal fraternity.One of my friends has been his student and he think of him as a very competent professional'
5:As i have said before the SMQ incident is an isolated case ,it does not seem to be a policy from the pml n,you dont expect much aggression from this sheepish type business men.

It was a PLANNED REVOLUTION but did not work according to the planners,if there was any chance taking things any further JH has killed that chance as well.

 

[MHAMZA]

@staray khaatir

This can go on and on...
Few last questions
What was the objective of the handlers??
Do you really believe Imran Khan would tarnish his image by being part of a "conspiracy"?
Do really believe Model Town massacre was orchestrated by the handlers and Shahbaz and Co have clean hands??

 

[GeoG]

It will come out sooner than later with JH's revelations

A plan which started with bullet holes in HM
Corner Geo to shut media support to expose them
at the final stages of its dreadful fate ....

 

[such bolo]

پیٹ بھروں کی باتیں ہیں
١٩٧٧ کا مائنڈ سیٹ

 

[Husaink]

علامہ اقبال کی مشور نظم ابلیس کی مجلس شوریٰ یاد آ رہی ہے جس پہلا مشیر یہ کہتا ہے :

اس میں کیا شک ہے کہ محکم ہے یہ ابلیسی نظام
پختہ تر اس سی ہوے خوے غلامی میں عوام

ہے ازل سے ان غریبوں کے مقدر میں سجود
انکی فطر ت کا تقازا ہے نماز بے قیعام

آرزو آول تو پیدا ہو نہیں سکتی کہیں
ہو کہیں پیدا تومر جاتی ہے یا ره رہتی ہے خا م


آج کی قومی اسمبلی کا نقشہ بھی یہی ہوگا

 

[Freemedia]

The plan of 2-3 years technocrat government was propagated by zaid hamid and his like army stooges since last several years and imran and padri was the biggest tools for implementing this failed plan.

 

[Mughal Badshah]

Kafi Mutmaeeen Begharat ho wese..... Jis tarha unho ne oraton aur bacho pe direct fire kiye us k bad tum in BC GAN_JO ko defend karo to Lakh LA_NAT ha tum pe.......MERI dua ha k yahi gan_jay tumhare ghar main ghuss k tumhari maaon aur behno ko direct fire karain us din tumko ehsas ho k kya guzarti ha jab khud pe ati ha aur sath ye b ehsas ho k kitne jahil thy k in qatilon ka difah karty rahy...

 

[CanPak2]

Learn from Zardari.. Respect and get respect... Work hard in the space you have.. Establish credibility and you dont have to break a straw... Pak Army is our army... Kissi ko chohta karnay kay liye us ki tangain mat khaincho, apna qad itna buland kar lou, dosra khud chohta ho jaye gaaa.

 

[WatanDost]

جاوید ہاشمی تو اپنا تھوکا رج رج چاٹ رہا ہے
اور
گلو بلوں کو خواب میں چھچڑوں کے تھوک لگے ٹوکرے دکھے ہیں
:biggthumpup:

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