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Afaq Chaudhry
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
well in ayat,,,,,,,there is no mentioning of jin o insan??????
Afaq Chaudhry
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bahi sub se khitab hai............jin o ins.
[55:16] احمد رضا خان
تو تم دونوں اپنے رب کی کونسی نعمت جھٹلاؤ گے،[55:16] طاہر القادری
پس تم دونوں اپنے رب کی کن کن نعمتوں کو جھٹلاؤ گے،[55:16] علامہ جوادی
تو تم دونوں اپنے پروردگار کی کس کس نعمت کو جھٹلاؤ گے[55:16] ابوالاعلی مودودی
پس اے جن و انس، تم اپنے رب کے کن کن عجائب قدرت کو جھٹلاؤ گے؟
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famamdani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
no.........in translation........u mentioned jin and insan.........but in actual verse above translation there is no mentioning of these creatures,,,,,,,,that what i am asking abt........
Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
now,,,that is what i am talking abt,,,,,,,,,thanx sir
Afaq Chaudhry
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ya its true but Allah addresses both jin and ins.............mejority of mufassars did this translation.
http://tanzil.net/#55:16
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aazad.mubassir
Minister (2k+ posts)
Yes you are right there is no mention of nouns (jin/ins) but the pronoun and verb used in that verse is pointung to two persons, since the context of whole surah was addressing to both (see ayat 33) jin/ins so when it got translated they explicitly mentioned the jin/ins. Only translating it YOU does not fulfil the purpose. Arabic is the only language that has separate noun/pronoun/verb for couple/two persons which was used in that ayat you pointed out.
For earning of few panies we spend lot of time and money in crash courses but just to understand message of Allah SWT that is Al Quran we are not ready to spend time to learn basic arabic.
For earning of few panies we spend lot of time and money in crash courses but just to understand message of Allah SWT that is Al Quran we are not ready to spend time to learn basic arabic.
Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
well sir..........i understand QUARAN a little bit.......but i am talking abt that particular ayat.........one guy has translated it in right way........and i said thanx 2 him,,,,,,,can u plz show me in particular ayat where word jin or insan is mentioned.........that can be in previous other ayat,,but not this one......
secondly......why it is our problem that we think that we are entitled to moral policing...........food for thought........
aazad.mubassir
Minister (2k+ posts)
Not at all, you need to increase your arabic language skills to understand Quran, you are still insisting on presence of noun but as already mentioned you need to focus on verbs in that particular ayat that is for two persons. Now would you able to describe who are those two persons being addressed in that ayat.
Also I am also against Mullah giri/priest hood in Islam and apprecite that people are showing intrest in Quran but it should be ina positive side and gaining more understanding with open mind not just critisizing everything.
Also I am also against Mullah giri/priest hood in Islam and apprecite that people are showing intrest in Quran but it should be ina positive side and gaining more understanding with open mind not just critisizing everything.
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Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
sir,i got u..........but the way u addressed me was really not gud,,,,,,,i read QUARAN daily ,,,,,mashaALLAH,,,,,,,,,can u understand that same tone might repel other people from islam????a guy pissed in holy mosque of madaina.........but pbuh simply made him understand that this is not gud..........can imagine a guy like u would have treated that poor man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
aazad.mubassir
Minister (2k+ posts)
I did not use any harsh word but you should not critisize if you do not have adequate knowledge specially in religious matter. Just reading translation daily will not make you Alim. Pissing is sometime uncontrolable so it's Prophet and his compainion never mind it but no companion ever critisizied intentinally on Quran or argued with Prophet that why Jin/Ins words are missing. They knew it could destroy their Eman.
Niazi Hawk
Minister (2k+ posts)
so u r saying that i am no more muslim cuz i had said that translation was out of context,,,,,,,,,,so u remind me of ibn insha..........yeh islam ka daira hai,is mein pehly lougon ko dakhal kya jata tha,aj kal kharij kya jta hai,,,,,,,,,,ok sir,i was not criticising ..........i was just saying it is out of context........this is the problem i am talking abt.......u have blamed me that i am intentinally criticisng quaran........on the day of judgement i will held responsible u 4 what u had said,,,take a close look on ur words again...........
