The Tit4Tat policy In Region

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Under the wise advice of Indian brothers the Northern Alliance adopts the “Kantay say Kanta” or the tit for tat policy to terrify ISI and separate it from Taliban. The policy is to answer Taliban attacks in Afghanistan by attacking Pakistan through Pakistani insurgents so ISI will be scared of NDS and RAW capabilities and ISI will be on knees in front of NDS and RAW and accepting his defeat ISI will present them with Taliban top leadership.

It does not end at just helping Pakistani insurgents ,moving one step forward just to increase the scope of power and horror RAW and NDS willingly provide the clue of terrorist attacks inside Pakistan by continuously remaining in contact with attackers. The terrorists continuously on phone guided by their handlers provide location of some RAW or NDS safe houses in Afghanistan.
This policy shift is observed as there is change in Indian Govt. the extremist anti Pakistani Govt. comes in power . The attackers of APS Peshawar massacre were continuously in contact with their handlers in Afghanistan. Pakistani Army Chief Raheel Sharif and ISI Chief flied to Kabul with the same evidence of attackers handling and guiding from Afghanistan.

Except doing the serious efforts to end NDS and RAW activities against Pakistan from Afghanistan , Afghan govt. continuously maligns Pakistan for terrorism and always wants Pakistan to be the partner in war against Afghan Taliban. Pakistan can’t afford two enemies inside Afghanistan. Pakistan has to has some support from some strong groups from Afghanistan to diminish the activities against its existence like Durand line dispute and greater Pashtonistan movements.

Afghan Govt. had changed policy far before it came to open.

In the era of 2008 to 2013 the Tahrik Taliban Pakistan was continuously supported, trained and armed by RAW and NDS agents. In 2013 Afghan President admitted the presence of Mulla Fazalullah the top leader of TTP in Afghanistan. He wanted to strike a deal with Pakistan to exchange Pakistani and Afghan Taliban leadership .

Afghan policy could only be fruitful if Pakistan would be continuously rocked with blasts and terrorist attacks but Pakistani intelligence agency not only destroyed all the terrorism web created by NDS and RAW but also they were able to repel all trained insurgents to Afghanistan by successful operations clearing all area under insurgents.

Each terrorist attack from Afghanistan boasts up the moral of hard liners to pursue and compel all the civil and military leadership for their old regional policy. The attacks from Afghanistan also slap on those faces who continuously say that in past our Afghan policy was wrong and we had not to train Jihadists . The attacks justify old Jihadi policy of the region. The policy of training Pashtuns and Kashmiri Jihadists for insurgency in Afghanistan and India. The policy of encouraging all freedom movements in India. The policy to cut India from central Asia.

Pakistani military top leadership and civil leadership don’t want the old Jihadi policy as is hated by whole nation. While Musharraf was Pakistani president , he followed the secular philosophy and handed over many vulnerable Al Qaida and Taliban commanders to USA. Following his operations in Pakistan against foreigner Jihadist the backlash was the massive terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan had to go through the worst experience of terrorism hundred thousand people killed and more than hundred billion economic losses suffered by Pakistan due to terrorism.

Unfortunately the Northern Alliance elements have not forgotten the death of their leader Ahmad Shah Masood which they blame on ISI. Northern Alliance elements had always a fury of revenge for Pakistan because of old regional war with Taliban and Pakistani support to Taliban. Northern Alliance was badly beaten by Taliban and was besieged in Badakhshan during Masood era. The super hero Ahmad Shah Masood was helpless against Pakistani Taliban.

Northern Alliance pursued the old enmity with Pakistan. Joining hands with RAW they created a strong nexus against Pakistan in Afghanistan. They helped Pakistani Taliban. They sheltered TTP leadership in Afghanistan and finally some Uzbek and Tajik (Northern Alliance) attackers found in attacks on Pakistani airports. Just like an open challenge to Pakistan to continue the old war.
The signals of RAW and NDS involvement in APS Peshawar massacre were just to motivate ISI to do the worst against them.

Now situation in Afghanistan goes in Pakistani favor that majority of Afghan population victimized by US attack and Northern Alliance and incapability of present Govt. is against present Govt. Due to political support from inside Afghanistan Taliban are continuously increasing their area under control. Under the challenges of enmity thrown by Northern Alliance to Pakistan what else can be expected except fastest growth of Taliban.

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NDS agent killed by Taliban.

Northern Alliance elements are extremely frustrated because world is not interested to pay attention to their incoming grievances and their voice is suppressed under the weight of ISIS and the financial worries of Europe and US. The west’s first priority is ISIS and even they are fighting alongside the Al Qaida the enemy of Northern Alliance .

After fifteen years of political and battlefield defeat to Northern Alliance by Taliban , the Northern Alliance heroes still ambitious to defeat Taliban and even Pakistan but US knows the realities and capabilities of Northern Alliance and all world including US are focusing on dialogue with Taliban.
Under tit for tat policy Pakistan will not apply pressure on Taliban for dialogue rather they will be encouraged to answer for counter offense.

Once again Afghanistan is going to civil war. This time there is no Masood to save the Northern Alliance. This time Taliban will have a landslide victory or a clean sweep all over Afghanistan. (Today Kundoz Afghan province has fallen to Taliban )

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Kundoz fallen to Taliban

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Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میں تو سمجھتا ہوں کے یہ میری سوچ ہے
لیکن دنیا نیوز نے کوئی کسر نہیں چھوڑی

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Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اسکا براہ راست تعلق پاکستان میں فوجی آپریشن سے ہے ، فوج نے افغان طالبان کو واپس دھکیل دیا ہے کہ جاکر اپنے ملک میں لڑو اور اپنے ٹھکانے یا ٹریننگ سنٹر بناو اگر فوج ایسا نہ کرتی تو یہ لوگ اپنا اصل مقصد بھول کر پاکستانی شہروں میں ہی کا روائی شروع کر دیتے، ماضی کی طرح یہیں آباد ہوجاتے
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
NDS-RAW nexus fuelling terrorism in Pakistan

NDS-RAW nexus fuelling terrorism in Pakistan

LAHORE: While Pakistan wants good friendly relations with Afghanistan, the latter’s intelligence agency NDS has joined hands with Indian secret service RAW to carry out subversive activities in Pakistan at a time when its war against terror is in decisive phase. Although RAW’s role in creating problems for Pakistan is no secret, NDS’s willingness to cooperate with Islamabad’s known enemy is being regarded as a setback to the government’s political initiative of improving bilateral ties.

Official sources claimed during interviews with The Nation on Wednesday that Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security (NDS) and India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) were stepping up terrorist activities on Pakistani soil to aid and abet more deadly terror attacks. According to them, the intelligence inputs acquired through communication intercepts and human intelligence sources indicate NDS would focus Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, settled areas of the tribal belt, Gilgit Baltistan and Balochistan. However NDS would assist the RAW in Balochistan to sustain its operations linked to Baloch separatist groups. RAW would also focus on Punjab and Sindh.

The Indian agency would also launch its sleeper cells with the help of NDS in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and tribal areas. The members of the cells are recruited from Afghanistan, mainly from militant groups fled away from Pakistan during Swat, South Waziristan operations and the militants crossed the Durand Line during Operation Zarb-e-Azb, Khyber-1 and Khyber-2. The sources claimed that members of the sleeper cells were selected from the unknown foot soldiers of the outlawed TTP and their affiliates scattered in Afghan provinces of Kunar, Nangarhar, Nuristan and Badakshan. RAW is running training camps with the nod of its Afghan counterpart in the said provinces for “brainwashing” programmes of the newly-selected sleepers to launch the same when the time comes.

“They are given training of target killings, bomb blasts, suicide attacks, assaults on civil and military installations and intelligence gathering.”
The major funding for the operations on Pakistani soil would be provided by the Indian external secret service. The sources added Joint Secretary Area-1 (Pakistan focused external operations desk) of the RAW with the assistance of agency’s office of special operations is handling the activities on Pakistani soil. Office of special operations works directly under the command of RAW chief.

A director ranked officer in-charge of Pakistan affairs in NDS would look after the matters with RAW. According to intelligence sources more than 90 NDS agents have been caught in Pakistan from August up till now. Around 12 of the detained NDS operatives were the agency’s agents who were running separate spy rings of local operatives. The agents were picked up from Peshawar, Swat, Gilgit Baltistan, South Waziristan, Attock, Turnol Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Chaman, Quetta and other bordering areas at Pak-Afghan border. Five among the arrested are the key saboteurs. Heavy cache of arms and ammunition was also recovered from the arrested. Members of a top intelligence service along with Rangers arrested an Afghan national in Pala Dheri village of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa for his involvement in the recent attack on Badaber.

Similarly, NDS operatives were also caught from Balochistan with plans of targeting high-profile personalities and fanning sectarian violence.
The political administration of the Kurram Agency in an intelligence-based operation arrested two RAW-trained NDS sleepers. Foreign currency and uniforms of Levies Force were recovered from them. A 12-member spy ring of the RAW starting from bordering town of Bhaseen (Lahore) with its tentacles in other parts of Punjab had also been busted by the intelligence services. In an intelligence-based operation in Karachi, a key secret service along with Counter Terrorism Department Sindh arrested four suspected terrorists who had confessed their links with RAW.

CTD Sindh officials said the arrested had been operating a network for RAW from Karachi, South Africa, Malaysia, Singapore and Dubai.
The RAW agents told their interrogators: “The Indian agency had given them the task to plant bombs in the city. The other tasks were creating sectarian violence in the month of Moharram and targeting key political figures.” Security establishment members in background interviews said the development was indeed a challenge for the security services but it was not a surprise for them. The two secret services, NDS and RAW had already assisting each other for launching operations on Pakistani soil.

NDS chief’s briefing to Afghan parliament over cooperation with Pakistan’s security services to take out the targets threatening the security of both the countries, spoke volumes of their sincerity concerning joint efforts. Security experts were of the opinion that Pakistani government should not only share the details of few with Afghan government concerning their involvement in terror activities on Pakistani soil, but it should also share information relating to NDS-RAW nexus.
Federal interior minister had said, “Mastermind of Badaber attack is Afghan national. Pakistan can smoke out all masterminds in Afghanistan who aided and abetted terror on our soil. But such an action can further strain relations with our neighbouring Muslim state.” He added Pakistan would share all the evidence with Afghan leadership concerning launching of terror attacks on Pakistan from their soil.

Inspector General of Frontier Corps Balochistan Major General Sher Afgan said in a press briefing that Afghan NDS and Indian RAW were fueling terrorism in Balochistan. NDS recently confirmed the presence of Islamic State leaders Hafiz Saeed Khan and Shahidullah Shahid, formerly members of TTP both Pakistani nationals, who were killed in Nangarhar province in US drone strikes.

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sadani

Minister (2k+ posts)
اسکا براہ راست تعلق پاکستان میں فوجی آپریشن سے ہے ، فوج نے افغان طالبان کو واپس دھکیل دیا ہے کہ جاکر اپنے ملک میں لڑو اور اپنے ٹھکانے یا ٹریننگ سنٹر بناو اگر فوج ایسا نہ کرتی تو یہ لوگ اپنا اصل مقصد بھول کر پاکستانی شہروں میں ہی کا روائی شروع کر دیتے، ماضی کی طرح یہیں آباد ہوجاتے

:-/

This should be regarded as "COMMENT OF THE THREAD"......

Amazing insight:

1 - Pakistan Army was fighting against Afghan Taliban in Northern Areas.
2 - Those Afghan Talibans (operating inside Pakistan) were funded by NDS, RAW and Afghan Government
3 - Afghan Taliban than threw away their masters NDS,Afghan Government from Kunduz and helped Pakistan Army Cause

???? Really ???

:-/

I'm just perplexed , completely baffled ............
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
:-/

This should be regarded as "COMMENT OF THE THREAD"......

Amazing insight:

1 - Pakistan Army was fighting against Afghan Taliban in Northern Areas.
2 - Those Afghan Talibans (operating inside Pakistan) were funded by NDS, RAW and Afghan Government
3 - Afghan Taliban than threw away their masters NDS,Afghan Government from Kunduz and helped Pakistan Army Cause

???? Really ???

:-/

I'm just perplexed , completely baffled ............
there was a mixture of Talban in North Wazirestan TTP, Haqani Group, Uzbuk, Chechen,Tajik,Chinese,Alqaida,Daesh,and local groups of local commanders.Most of them were involved with terrorist activities inside Pakistan. So Pakistan army gave them chance to run before operation.
 

sadani

Minister (2k+ posts)
On a serious note:

I think that now Pakistan Army has made their mind in supporting Afghan Taliban fully....

After NDS chief recent comments where he openly admitted supporting TTP, Pakistan Army has fully supported Afghan Taliban in capturing Kunduz.

Following motives (from Pakistan) can be achieved through this capture:

1 - Strengthen Newly elected Afghan Taliban Amir Mullah Akhtar Mansoor.
2 - To Show NDS and Afghan Government that they cannot undermine Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan
3 - Specially to show NDS that whatever you are doing inside pakistan are not more than peanuts when it come to ISI capabilities inside Afghanistan.
4 - To Show TTP sympathizers that ACTUAL battle has been in Afghanistan, not in Pakistan
 

kkkkk

Minister (2k+ posts)
This will result in TitS for our TatS

This post seems to be by some RAW agent. It accuses from the beginning that ISI is involved in Afghanistan, which in turn is used by India and by some of its paid agents in Afghanistan to carry out state terrorism in Pakistan. Our fault is that we do not highlight it at international level. However, not only we should be in 24 hours preparedness for all state terrorism from India and via Afghanistan by India but should also respond to India in one to five ratio to remain at par. Yes, we need to carry out tat (rape) for India's tit(s). If foreign hands help India, we should seek Chinese help.

See the audacity of RAW agents that they post it here to turn Pakistanis against its own govt. Pakistani nation needs to understand and identify the enemies clearly and should unite to respond. In fact, we Pakistan should counter India with a clear state policy to divide India into smaller units. There is no other way. No cooperation or friendship will ever produce any good with India. They are an immature enemy, who need to be confronted squarely and very openly.
 

khandimagi

Minister (2k+ posts)
اسکا براہ راست تعلق پاکستان میں فوجی آپریشن سے ہے ، فوج نے افغان طالبان کو واپس دھکیل دیا ہے کہ جاکر اپنے ملک میں لڑو اور اپنے ٹھکانے یا ٹریننگ سنٹر بناو اگر فوج ایسا نہ کرتی تو یہ لوگ اپنا اصل مقصد بھول کر پاکستانی شہروں میں ہی کا روائی شروع کر دیتے، ماضی کی طرح یہیں آباد ہوجاتے

افغانستان کو بہترین جواب ہی یہ ہے کہ پاکستانی قوم کے اسلامی بھائی چارے کے جذبات کے تحت پاکستان میں مزے اڑانے اور مال کمانے والے افغانیوں کو انکے ملک واپس بھیج دیا جائے
 
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back to the future

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
On a serious note:

I think that now Pakistan Army has made their mind in supporting Afghan Taliban fully....

After NDS chief recent comments where he openly admitted supporting TTP, Pakistan Army has fully supported Afghan Taliban in capturing Kunduz.

Following motives (from Pakistan) can be achieved through this capture:

1 - Strengthen Newly elected Afghan Taliban Amir Mullah Akhtar Mansoor.
2 - To Show NDS and Afghan Government that they cannot undermine Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan
3 - Specially to show NDS that whatever you are doing inside pakistan are not more than peanuts when it come to ISI capabilities inside Afghanistan.
4 - To Show TTP sympathizers that ACTUAL battle has been in Afghanistan, not in Pakistan
This can also be linked with attack on bada ber peshawar from afghanistan.
 

ambroxo

Minister (2k+ posts)
قادیانی رہ قادیانی ، تیری کون سی کل سیدھی


اسکا براہ راست تعلق پاکستان میں فوجی آپریشن سے ہے ، فوج نے افغان طالبان کو واپس دھکیل دیا ہے کہ جاکر اپنے ملک میں لڑو اور اپنے ٹھکانے یا ٹریننگ سنٹر بناو اگر فوج ایسا نہ کرتی تو یہ لوگ اپنا اصل مقصد بھول کر پاکستانی شہروں میں ہی کا روائی شروع کر دیتے، ماضی کی طرح یہیں آباد ہوجاتے
 

Shah Shatranj

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Local sources denying the claims made by Ghani and ANSF

#kunduz: Taliban advancing towards kdz airport thy have taken dawra hill, a hill above kdz city. Now fightng at dawra close to airport.

Reinforcement is not yet in kunduz, small gun shots at police HQ no advancement by ANSF so far, some shops are open, dnt knw wht gove plning

Just now kunduz main square, it is expecting that the taliban governor will deliver a speech here soon.

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https://twitter.com/ehsan_af

 

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