"The slogan of two-nation theory was raised to deceive the one hundred million muslims of the subcon

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
What Mr. Altaf Hussain said in India about Pakistan's independence being a mistake is echoed on MQM's own website, quoting none other than Mr. Hussain himself:

"The slogan of two-nation theory was raised to deceive the one hundred million muslims of the subcontinent Altaf Hussain".

http://www.mqm.org/English-News/Jun-2000/twonation-210600.htm

So, is Mr. Hussain calling Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah [the only REAL Quaid we have, sorry Altaf & Nawaz & countless others] a deceiver, along with all the leaders of the Pakistan Independence Movement, not to mention the great people of Karachi whose forefathers probably sacrificed the most among us to achieve Pakistan's independence?

I raise this issue today not because I hate MQM. I hate all of our failed political parties. In fact, MQM might be the best among them because it at least did one thing very well, and that is to bring middle and lower class Pakistanis into politics. But that is not enough. As a Pakistani, I do not accept Jeddah-, NY-, and London-based politicians running my country, including those with foreign passports. This includes many politicians, Mr. Hussain is only one of them. As a Pakistani I also do not accept what Mr. Hussain uttered on Indian soil, in New Delhi, when he cheaply pandered to anti-Pakistan Indians and said Pakistan's independence was a mistake. Today, when Mr. Hussian suddenly resurfaces with an advice to all Pakistanis ['Follow Quaid e Azam's instructions'], I need to ask him to clarify his statement in India. When Mr. Hussain made that statement, many surviving elders of the Pakistan Independence Movement came on TV and criticized Mr. Hussain for saying what he said. Many of those elders were actually from Karachi, from the very community that Mr. Hussain claims to have the sole authority to represent [Unfortunately, almost all of Pakistan's failed politicians claim to have the right to represent linguistic groups in the country. I don't know who or what gives them the right to claim such representation. Only Pakistan and its government represents all Pakistanis].

Mr. Hussain should address this point and take it seriously because it continues to create misunderstandings. I am one of those people who find Mr. Hussain now to be far more mature and reasonable than many other politicians. This point, however, about his controversial statement, will remain a soar that needs to be addressed. And please tell your 'Pitthoos' to please remove the quote above from MQM's website.
 

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dear moderators, Kindly only allow sensible & logical answers. I do not want anyone to abuse altaf hussain like a 12 years old and expect the same from mqm online workers. Only post If you have something good to post or It will get deleted. Mod, please check my pm. I have no bad intentions. The content is picked out from MQM's website. Thanks
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think we should read his challenge too......

Mr Hussain said that he is ready even today to accept the two-nation theory with open-heart on the condition that if the champions of the two-nation theory and its custodians reopen the borders of Pakistan for the Muslims of India without any further delay and allow the stranded Pakistanis to return to Pakistan or obtain permissions from the Government and the Establishment. Mr Hussain said that in this situation he will not only take back all his arguments against the two-nation theory but would also along with accepting that these reasons regarding the two-nation theory were wrong, he will apologise to the entire nation and would present himself for any punishment for pronouncing the two-nation theory as deception. On the other hand, if the preachers, protectors and propagators of the two-nation theory cannot succeed in opening up the borders for the Muslims of India and bringing the Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh back to Pakistan then it is their moral duty and responsibility that they should also term the two-nation theory as biggest fraud played upon the Muslims of India and accept my arguments.
 

Waseem

Moderator
Staff member
Dear moderators, Kindly only allow sensible & logical answers. I do not want anyone to abuse altaf hussain like a 12 years old and expect the same from mqm online workers. Only post If you have something good to post or It will get deleted. Mod, please check my pm. I have no bad intentions. The content is picked out from MQM's website. Thanks

Thanks sarmad we'll keep an eye and wouldn't let anyone abuse any persoanlity or member.

Regards
 
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sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
@Two Nation Theory being a deceit:

By saying Muslims of subcontinent were deceived by propagating this idea, Altaf Hussain(MQM) is calling Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and all founding fathers of Pakistan con-men, swindlers and cheats. May God have mercy on the followers of Altaf Hussain.
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
First of All we have to look at if altaf hussain is as free minded as Mohammad Ali jinnah to realize and understand theory of two nations ?

answer is no........secondly we have to look at why altaf hussain issues such stupid statements while sitting in UK.

Reason is he has to prove that our forefathers were wrong but brithish were right in not giving us freedom. Secondly he is singing the tune of indian diplomacy ........who still believe that pakistan will be there part .

What we have to look at is people of mqm what do they believe , they migrated from india because they believed in two nation theory and their lives were difficult in india.

if they were against two nation theory then why would they come to pakistan .

Although we simply ignore statements of altaf hussain but what does his worker think of it ?
what will be the effect of these statements and ideology after 10-15 years ?
Do all of them want united india ? or do they have courage to say no to altaf and say you are wrong ?
 

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I wish Altaf Hussain had seen pre-partition era. Quaid -e-Azam and leaders like Sir Syed Ahmed had more wisdom then Altaf that they demand a separate country for Muslims. I kow even his own workers will never agree with him on this point.
 

ConcernedPakistani

MPA (400+ posts)
First of all everyone knows that Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Altaf Hussain, ANP, Fazlurrehman, religious groups type of people have NO sincerity to Pakistan. They all have their own fiefdoms and they will protect their own fiefdoms come what may because this is where they get the money and power from.

Secondly, on this particular point, Altaf Hussain wants to keep all the options open. He is british national and he is interested in his fiefdom called MQM. If he has to choose between MQM and Pakistan, he will ofcourse stick to MQM because that is where he gets his power and money from.

The speech he did in India was a message to Indian government and establishment. The point was to keep his options open. The people who actually have been in MQM know what countries MQM had been close to and in what aspect, i wont mention them, but the people who have been in MQM know what i am talking about.

Again i would say, Altaf Hussain wants to keep his options open.
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Some one tell that story to altaf hussain

WHEN MUSLIM CITIES WERE CAPTURED BY MANGOOLS AND MUSLIM RULER WAS BETRAYED BY HIS WAZEER , AND MUSTASIM BILLAH WAS KILLED BY MANGOOLS AND TRAITOR WAZEER WAS EXPECTING REWARD FROM MANGOOLS.

WHAT MANGOOL DID WAS THEY CALLED THAT MINISTER AND CHOPPED HIS HEAD OFF AND SAID ...........IF YOU CAN NOT BE SINCER WITH YOU OWN NATION , YOU WILL ALSO NOT BE SINCERE WITH US AND YOU WILL BETRAY US TOO. AND WE DONT WANA GIVE U ANY CHANCE
 

thepearl

Minister (2k+ posts)
You all people are very educated and i appreciate all comments. I just want to say that no Patriot Pakistani can say that creation of his mother land was a blunder. No leader can abuse his mother land. No true Pakistani leader will ever accept other Nationality and leave Pakistani. Because they are so called leaders we expect them to set examples for us. if you are a leader if you love your country you must be trying your best to come back to your motherland. If somebody is not coming to his country even if there is no bar on him, then its something serious to be thinked.
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
THe Pearl
Altaf is not feeling insecure because of establishment , he is insecure because of his own party , he knows people under him want change. and it will not be ANP who will murder altaf ..it will be some one from his own party.

Secondly you said a PAKISTANI CAN NOT SAY ANY THING AGAINST CREATION OF HIS MOTHER LAND .......well bhai saab Altaf is british national. he has british passport. he is not pakistani.

Thats why we do not bother about his statements , you may say he is also a spokes person of bbc against pakistan.

if you look at style , and the manner of altaf hussain of controlling his party you will see that he wants to be a khomeni style leadership and return to pakistan.............and i feel sorry for him.....
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
TWO NATION THEORY is the foundation of Pakistan. And according to Altaf, it was a deception.
 
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BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
Quaid-e-Azam said,

It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs.. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state.
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
As was mentioned above, Altaf Hussain is a british citizen so let him be. Another thing was mentioned that he is interested in MQM more then anything because that is his mafia and he gets power and money from it. It is true that if he has to choose between MQM and Pakistan, he will go for MQM. He tells Indian establishment, actually appeals to them to keep their doors open for him and his party.
 
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kashnex

Councller (250+ posts)
What is his means of income? How he is making his bread?From where he got lots of money? These are very significant questions to be answered.
He, by birth is a Pakistani citizen and has acquired British nationality (it's uncleared if he has renounced Pakistani citizenship).
As far accepting the TWO-NATIONS theory he is a consistent denial of this fact. For me he could live with Indians but a patriotic Pakistani cannot. He is claimant of thinking and leading a party who always works for Pakistani poor but how could he does not accept the face which made Pakistan. He is ultimately a mafia boss and making his bread from getting huge sums from external entities.
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Well he is right that Two nation theory have been used for deceiving Muslims because today this two nation theory has already cost a division of Muslims of Subcontinent....The two nation theory only suggested that Muslims of subcontinent are different from Hindus and I agree with this but this was used for deceiving people when it was used for justification of Pakistan because two nation Theory used for Pakistan only divided Muslims of subcontinent...Muslims of India are are equal in population of Pakistan and their are equal numbers of Muslims in Bangladesh as well so what happened to them???Do they still believe on two nation theory???Indian and Pakistani do but Bangladeshi Muslims dont they rather believe on Bangal instead of two nation theory not because of Mujeeb or Awaami League(Awaami league and Mujeeb-ur-Rehman was Fatima Jinnah supporters as well) but because of Pakistan and Pakistan's establishment...That is the simple reason why Bangladesh despite of being Muslim majority and also part of Subcontinent and even played much BIGGER ROLE FOR PAKISTAN IS NOW HAVE NO INTEREST IN TWO NATION THEORY BECAUSE THEY ARE DECEIVED BY US...That is what Altaf Hussain said that Two nation theory were used for decieving Muslims of Subcontinent in struggle for Pakistan because now Pakistan is an artificial country and its not representing Muslims of subcontinent like Israel representing Zionist of the world so when Pakistan forget their purpose of creation then what else it remains???Simply artificial country but its never to late to accept the fact and to start thinking about the real purpose of Pakistan to make its future VALUABLE instead of just being a slave used by Western countries, Arabs and China...
 

BluntMan

MPA (400+ posts)
Altaf Hussain and his supporters believe in MQM and beyond MQM nothing matters whether its Pakistan. They will just defend Altaf Hussain and MQM and that is the ultimate truth for them. I am sick of these people blaming everything on Pakistani establishment. Again they would try to bring in Bangladesh and justify their bhatta khori, murders, terrorizing Karachi, blackmailing government and all kinda bullshit. Then they bring golden words of Altaf Hussain and compare them with Jinnah's words. Jinnah was and is and will be QUAID-E-AZAM while Altaf Hussain is .....(I have many words for him but this post forbids it).
 
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Rana Tahir Mahmood

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dear learned members it is sorry to mention that the original post is sample of Hippocratic model. The things are already crystal clear. No need to open such debate which has no use for Pakistani Politics.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
MQM was created by the military dictators to divide and uphold the corrupt system and they are still success in their aim due to the negative attitude of the foolish peoples of Karachi who support MQM.

In order to keep the record right, I want to draw your attention toward the following facts:

- the privileged class launched a movement against the popular leadership of Bhutto in 1977. It was completely sponsored by the foreign elements whose interests were to eliminate the leadership in the world who challenged their imperial role and organize a popular movement against their interests. In that occasion they used their partners (privileged classes) of
Pakistan who mostly represent the urban areas of the Pakistan. The leadership of these urban centers particularly of Karachi and Hyderabad was dominated by the religious parties (jamiat Islami and JUP).

- it is evident that these religious groups won about all the seats of these urban centers and then they start agitation against Bhutto for so-called rigging on the instructions of their bosses. The movement was confined to these two cities only for about 1 1/2 month from where these privileged religious class won all the cities.

- when they were not getting support from any of the other part of the country representing the lower class, then the foreign bosses planned to start agitation in Lahore and they sent peoples of these parties to Lahore to start agitation their. They financed and supplied big money to do it. The flow of dollars in that movement was so evident that the dollars value was went down against Pakistanis rupee.
_ when they start agitation in
Lahore at the end of April by theses conspirators and foreign funded religious parties, the establishment came to play their due role in accordance to the plan to dislodge the Bhutto by the army.

- after dislodging Bhutto the establishment was of the view that now in future they can't use these religious parties against the popular movements, as the peoples were fed up with their slogan of "Islam". They start to find some other slogan and new groups to organize to crush any future popular movement and in this connection they finalized to launch an ethnic grouping in the urban centers. They worked on different peoples to create that group and many seasonal and patriotic Urdu speaking leaders refused to become the part of that conspiracy and finally they selected Altaf for that purpose. They worked with them and simultaneously on the Sindhi nationalist to support to create and enforce the ethnic Urdu speaking party. The first training of this group was done by the ISI and G M Syed. When after the training the group first demonstrated its strength at quaid Mazar in 1978-79 by burning
Pakistan flag.

- the establishment arrested and then he was freed and sent to
USA for further training and organization. The Establishment launched the party in 1986-87 at the eve of return of Benazir Bhutto to Pakistan to lead the popular movement and to show the strength and aspiration of the oppressed peoples of the country.

_ after its launching they are playing the role of the agent of the establishment and privileged classes with the sole object to divide and crush any popular peoples movement. It is evident from the role they played against the "No confidence" motion against Benazir Bhutto being the partner in the government. after the defeat in assembly they created a big and brutal operation in
Karachi and Hyderabad with the help of the establishment to destabilize Benazir government and then they played each elected government to whom they always were the partners.

 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Altaf Hussain and his supporters believe in MQM and beyong MQM nothing matters whether its Pakistan. They will just defend Altaf Hussain and MQM and that is the ultimate truth for them. I am sick of these people blaming everything on Pakistani establishment. Again they would try to bring in Bangladesh and justify their bhatta khori, murders, terrorizing Karachi, blackmailing government and all kinda bullshit. Then they bring golden words of Altaf Hussain and compare them with Jinnah's words. Jinnah was and is and will be QUAID-E-AZAM while Altaf Hussain is .....(I have many words for him but this post forbids it).
You might have not seen the results of Pakistan's establishment activities in Pakistan but just ask any Baluch or Any Sindhi you will understand why Pakistan establishment is blamed by them and even Pashtuns of Pakistan also blame them for dividing Pashtuns lands between Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa and Baluchistan so their role has always been one sided against major parts of Pakistan...Sindh contribute most revenue for Pakistan especially from Karachi and Qadir pur gas fiels which provides most gas of Pakistan(Now Qadir pur i largest gas field of Pakistan not Sui) but in return Sindh has to BEG in front of federation for resources as now Urban Sindh is been developed but Interior Sindh has become the most UNDERDEVELOPED part of Pakistan because the resources which are available for Sindh can only be expend on either Urban or Interior and resources of Sindh cant accommodate both Urban and interior Sindh all together and remaining capacity has been covered by PPP due to their incompetency...Ever thought that when ever their is a shortage of food in Punjab the supplies to other provinces are stopped now imagine Baluchistan providing Gas for Pakistan but they themselves are not been given benefits of that so if they do the same then what will Happened???Another thing which Baluch dont like is that before separation of East Pakistan the resources WERE ALLOCATED ON THE BASIS OF AREA OF THE LAND DUE TO THAT EAST PAKISTAN ALWAYS REMAIN UNDERDEVELOPED BUT AFTER SEPARATION OF EAST PAKISTAN THE RESOURCES ALLOCATION CRITERIA CHANGED TO POPULATION AS THIS WAS WELL KNOWN THAT WHO COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM OLD ALLOCATION PROCESS... Even former NWFP province when it was made the Pakhtun belt of Baluchistan wasnt accommodated in that province because that could have increased the population of the province and this could have been a threat to their ideas about Pakistan....

So if you feel that establishment has no role in Pakistan and they are blamed unfairly then you should visit Pakistan and try to understand the way Pakistan is working you will yourself acknowledge it...