The mummy-daddy, burger-baby revolutionaries

Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa

Senator (1k+ posts)
The mummy-daddy, burger-baby revolutionaries
By Feisal H Naqvi
Published: March 24, 2011
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The writer is a partner at Bhandari, Naqvi & Riaz and an advocate of the Supreme Court

Pakistans most recent sensation is a young law student by the name of Zohair Toru, an enthusiastic, but somewhat muddled follower of Imran Khan, who had the good fortune, last Friday in Islamabad, to be interviewed by a television channel while protesting the release of Raymond Davis.

Fashionably coiffed with a semi-beehive hairdo, reminiscent of the lead singers of The B-52s, the main thrust of Mr Torus complaint was that as somebody trying to improve Pakistani society, he didnt deserve to be pushed around by the police. Or as he plaintively wailed, Police humai maray gi to inquilaab kaisey aye ga?

In the cosy little world of Pakistans intellectual vanguard (also known as the 50 people who talk to each other on Twitter), Mr Torus complaints have been much derided. His original interview has been widely circulated as has indeed his second interview in which the anchor told him, Beta, cameray mein dekho. Achay lagtay ho; hero marka. The gist of the chatter is that Mr Toru is a vapid, empty-headed, mummy-daddy type who doesnt realise that life is hard, that revolution is harder, that power flows from the barrel of a gun and that burger-babies like him should concentrate on their hairstyles and leave the heavy lifting to people who have read their Gramsci.

With all due respect to the beret-wearing poli-sci types, I think there is more to the story. Yes, Mr Toru is fantastically ignorant. Yes, he is deeply innocent of the realities of power. And yes, any revolution is going to be a long time a coming if it is dependent on people like him. But there are things to celebrate about this narrative as well.

First, let us first celebrate the fact that well-meaning, English-medium burger babies have been so roused from the depths of their traditional apathy that they are actually taking to the streets. Given the attention paid by Mr Toru to his personal appearance, not to mention his general unfamiliarity with the Urdu language, it does not seem as if he is part of the starving masses of Pakistan. In fact, given his age and general appearance, one could be forgiven for assuming that Mr Toru is more likely to be found sprawled on a couch with a PS3 controller in his hands than protesting on the streets. If Imran Khan has succeeded in penetrating the adamantine shell of apathy and indifference, which normally shields the wealthier individuals in this country, then more power to him. I dont agree with much of what the PTI has to say for example, their decision to join a great left-of-centre coalition while simultaneously spewing semi-jihadist rubbish but, in this particular regard, the great Khan is entitled to take a bow. Bravo, sir.

Second, I think it is worth celebrating the fact that our burger-babies do not feel that it is appropriate for the police to push around non-violent protesters. This argument is so beautifully innocent, so perfectly divorced from all prior history and past experiences that one feels much like the fabled Grinch in taking a contrary view. However, the point here is not what is true, but what is believed to be true. I can argue now, and forever, that the colonial police was conceived back in 1861, as a paramilitary force tasked with thrashing the natives into submission (and that it has held true to its original conception). However, the point here is that stereotypes are self-reinforcing. If my concept of the police is of a bunch of thugs, then I will accept their thuggery with greater equanimity than if I conceive of them as public servants. Mr Toru may be historically, politically and factually wrong in his views of what the police in Pakistan can actually do. But he is historically, politically and factually right in demanding a police force which does not shove around non-violent protesters like him.
The final point in this regard is that we need more innocents in politics. I know that politics is inherently a dirty business. I also know that in Pakistan, it is a particularly dirty business. But if Pakistani politics is ever to become less of a straightforward extortion racket, it will be because idealistic people actually stick around and get involved in the mechanics of governance. Mr Toru may or may not be one of those who stick around. But, somebody like him eventually will. And we will all be the better for it.

(The views present in the article by the writer are not those of his firm).

Published in The Express Tribune, March 25th, 2011.

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nonee17

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
quoting Mr Toru in the same interview "In bhai ko dekhain ye garmi se kharab hogaey hain"

[hilar][hilar][hilar]
 

adnan_swati

Senator (1k+ posts)
mr. toru is not only one. majority people on this forum also think that revolution is some king of fun .so they were posting threads about revolution,revolution. but after seeing what happened in libya and whats happening in bahrain( a rich country) . yeh sub gadhay kay sar per seenh ki tarah bhag gaey hain .
 

islamabadi

Minister (2k+ posts)
All you internet ninjas....where is your revolution which was supposed to start on 23rd March ? Go get a doze reality before posting on this site...
 

cokee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Being toru is a waste of life . Beizzat kar diya hai Revolution word ko. This type of stupids thinks of Revolution as a funfair . They'll go out party on the roads and everything will be changed !
 
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arslan4u

Minister (2k+ posts)
Whatever he said, i will still commend him on coming out on the road, not for his own interest because people of his class have no real problem if there is inflation or corruption. He gave priority to the interest of the country and showed his support to his fellow citizens.
 

1-Man-Army

Senator (1k+ posts)
ager burger bache jaise tase inqilab ki bat ker rahe hein tu ye aap jaise inqliab ka mazaq urrane walon k mun per tamancha he....slap on ur dirty faces....
 

cokee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Bacha bechara bachion sey b ziada cici hai ! Nawab sahib sounds like gve me nice weather and vip treatment from cops phir revolution laon gaa !
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Hahah what a stupid burger kid pti has got [hilar]

Still better than your Ghunda sitting in London and talks about "Inqilaab". If he has guts, then why not leading the people for "Inqilaab"

But the matter of fact is that Altaf is afraid of POLICE while while this burger Guy is facing Police.
 

Classified

Senator (1k+ posts)
Still better than your Ghunda sitting in London and talks about "Inqilaab". If he has guts, then why not leading the people for "Inqilaab"


اور پھر ناکام اور ناراض خان نیازی نے اسی غنڈے کو فون کر کے خوب تعریفیں بھی کیں - یعنی تھوک کر پھر خود ہی چاٹ بھی لیا! نا صرف سڑکوں پر رسوا ہوا اور بعد میں اس ایک اچھے اقدام پر بھی اپنی مقبولیت کو "چار چاند" لگا ڈالے (وہاٹ آ شیم )


But the matter of fact is that Altaf is afraid of POLICE while while this burger Guy is facing Police.

میرے خیال میں تم بھی "گرمی میں تھوڑا خراب ہو گۓ ہو"- معصوم زوہیر کو کاش کوئی انٹرنیٹ کا تحریکی یہ بھی بتا دیتا کے انقلاب سر میں جیل تھوپ کر سر چڑھے سورج تلے ٹی شرٹ پر ایک "اپر" پہن کر مٹک مٹک کر بے سروپا باتیں کرنے کا نام نہیں ہے- لیکن کیا کیا جاۓ یہ بتانے کی تو ذرا بھی فرصت نہیں ملی ناکام خان کو ، کرکٹ ورلڈ کپ کی کمنٹریاں زیادہ اہم ہیں اسکے لئے جبھی تو اسلام آباد کی سڑکوں پر شروع ہونے والا انقلاب کرکٹ کی کمنٹریوں پر اختتام پذیر ہو گیا-
 
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GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اور پھر ناکام اور ناراض خان نیازی نے اسی غنڈے کو فون کر کے خوب تعریفیں بھی کیں - یعنی تھوک کر پھر خود ہی چاٹ بھی لیا! نا صرف سڑکوں پر رسوا ہوا اور بعد میں اس ایک اچھے اقدام پر بھی اپنی مقبولیت کو "چار چاند" لگا ڈالے (وہاٹ آ شیم )




میرے خیال میں تم بھی "گرمی میں تھوڑا خراب ہو گۓ ہو"- معصوم زوہیر کو کاش کوئی انٹرنیٹ کا تحریکی یہ بھی بتا دیتا کے انقلاب سر میں جیل تھوپ کر سر چڑھے سورج تلے ٹی شرٹ پر ایک "اپر" پہن کر مٹک مٹک کر بے سروپا باتیں کرنے کا نام نہیں ہے- لیکن کیا کیا جاۓ یہ بتانے کی تو ذرا بھی فرصت نہیں ملی ناکام خان کو ، کرکٹ ورلڈ کپ کی کمنٹریاں زیادہ اہم ہیں اسکے لئے جبھی تو اسلام آباد کی سڑکوں پر شروع ہونے والا انقلاب کرکٹ کی کمنٹریوں پر اختتام پذیر ہو گیا-


لیکن تمھارے لیڈر کی یہ تعریف تو ہم ضرور کریں گے کہ بیغرتی اور لغو پن تو کلو نے بنفس نفیس تم میں کوٹ کوٹ کر بھرا ہے

اور تمہیں تو شیعہ ہونے کی وجہ سے کوئی ضرورت نہیں تھی کیونکہ بغریتی میں تم پہلے دن ہی خود کفیل ہو جاتے ہو تبھی ایک بھی نے فورم پر بہت اعلی کہا ایک شیعہ اوپر سے ایم کیو ایم چڑھا


 
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Classified

Senator (1k+ posts)
@GeoG

لیکن تمھارے لیڈر کی یہ تعریف تو ہم ضرور کریں گے کہ بیغرتی اور لغو پن تو کلو نے بنفس نفیس تم میں کوٹ کوٹ کر بھرا ہے

کچھ تعریف کے لائق تو مسلسل ناکام رہنے والا اور مسلسل ناراض رہنے والا خان نیازی بھی ہے جسکے فحش کردار کا رنگ تمھارے اندر بھی جھلکتا ہوا دکھائی دے رہا ہے

اور تمہیں تو شیعہ ہونے کی وجہ سے کوئی ضرورت نہیں تھی کیونکہ بغریتی میں تم پہلے دن ہی خود کفیل ہو جاتے ہو تبھی ایک بھی نے فورم پر بہت اعلی کہا ایک شیعہ اوپر سے ایم کیو ایم چڑھا

مجھے خوشی ہے کے یہ دونوں نعرے تمھارے اور تم جیسوں کے لئے درد سر بنے ہوے ہیں ایک نعرہ تو ہے "لبیک یا حسین (علیہ سلام) اور دوسرا ہے "جئے متحدہ "
 
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GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@GeoG



کچھ تعریف کے لائق تو مسلسل ناکام رہنے والا اور مسلسل ناراض رہنے والا خان نیازی بھی ہے جسکے فحش کردار کا رنگ تمھارے اندر بھی جھلکتا ہوا دکھائی دے رہا ہے




مجھے خوشی ہے کے یہ دونوں نعرے تمھارے اور تم جیسوں کے لئے درد سر بنے ہوے ہیں ایک نعرہ تو ہے "لبیک یا حسین (علیہ سلام) اور دوسرا ہے "جئے متحدہ "

Uc Ki Kuch Arsa Baigharti Say Hi Tum Jaison Ka Karobar Chalta Hai
Aik Shia Opper Say MQM Chara
 
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Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa

Senator (1k+ posts)
For all the wrong reasons!

For all the wrong reasons!
By Ejaz Haider
Published: March 28, 2011
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The writer was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institutions Foreign Policy Studies Programme

Feisal Naqvi has penned a beauty. I would happily byline it. The comments under his article, most though not all, however, made me think if, between Zohair Torus ahistorical innocence and our remarkable inability to understand subtleties, we are ready for anything that could break us free of our current dilemmas. Consider.

Feisal was making two points, simple but subtle. In Mr Toru we saw a young man whose entire conditioning would have belied the possibility of his being out on a street and protesting and that he genuinely, even if fantastically naively, felt that it was inappropriate for the police to push around nonviolent protestors.
These two points were the peg of Feisals piece but in them he thought, and I largely agree, lay exciting possibilities for our future. There can be no doubt that if those in this society who have no ostensible reason to take to the street because their circumstances shield them from the daily grind that is the fate of millions decide to do exactly that, take to the street and protest, it manifests a positive that has long been missing.

And if the same privileged realise, through an empirical test, what the police does to the millions and find that abominable, that too is a happy development even when, as Feisal noted, it may be so beautifully innocent, so perfectly divorced from all prior history and past experiences that one feels much like the fabled Grinch in taking a contrary view.

The article should have kicked off an informed debate; instead, we have ad hominem comments, some readers wanting to know why the writer would denigrate Mr Toru by making fun of his hairstyle or the manner in which he spoke or describe him as a burger-baby, etc. What these geniuses missed out on was that Feisal was making his two important points in sharp contrast to what the boy stood for, both in his conditioning and in his demeanour. That was what made the observations carry the weight they did.

Beyond this lies the issue of Feisals reasoning: Whether what he observed can lead to what he thinks it can or will. That is a different domain and one can raise other questions. Yet, raising those other questions does not take away from the nuances Feisal picked up in the entire Mr Toru episode. In any case, Feisal is quite clear that any revolution is going to be a long time a coming if it is dependent on people like Mr Toru.

But other questions are important too and that is the essence of the process that begins with some fine observations. For instance, one question can be whether it is Mr Torus remarkably ahistorical innocence that would lead to the police reconsidering its methods, and if so, how? One can even talk about it in terms of Einsteins quote of simplicity and complexity the difference between this side of the complexity for which someone wouldnt give a nickel and the other for which someone would give his life.

So the simple can be, and usually is, complex.
Finally, dear reader, in terms of making observations and developing a thought or a theory, one often relies on parsimony, the use of the simplest method of explanation which rules that entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. In 700 words or less, the exercise of frugality becomes even more important. But the fact is that the method is used in multiple disciplines, ranging from pure sciences to social sciences and, quite often, as a heuristic device, what we call a rule of thumb.

Parsimony is not without its downside. The demand that one should accept the simplest possible theoretical explanation for existing data is tricky because new data becomes available which forces us to reconsider the original explanation; or, as also happens, people can arrive at different explanations even on the basis of the same set(s) of existing data.

But that is the challenge. That is what constitutes debate. That is what helps us untangle the equation between simplicity and complexity. What was required here was to carry the debate forward; challenge if you must what Feisal said but for the right reasons.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 28th, 2011.
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nonee17

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
TRUE, also for those who were briging the revolution after Davis's release...

I dont hear no barking about the revolution now...this is what we truly are, alike Mr. Toro...

All you internet ninjas....where is your revolution which was supposed to start on 23rd March ? Go get a doze reality before posting on this site...
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
People don't like word Revolution when they see their own interests in Danger. This is the truth. Such people live in all times and history of previous nations shows us their fate and end.
 

aushami

MPA (400+ posts)

لیکن تمھارے لیڈر کی یہ تعریف تو ہم ضرور کریں گے کہ بیغرتی اور لغو پن تو کلو نے بنفس نفیس تم میں کوٹ کوٹ کر بھرا ہے

اور تمہیں تو شیعہ ہونے کی وجہ سے کوئی ضرورت نہیں تھی کیونکہ بغریتی میں تم پہلے دن ہی خود کفیل ہو جاتے ہو تبھی ایک بھی نے فورم پر بہت اعلی کہا ایک شیعہ اوپر سے ایم کیو ایم چڑھا



@GeoG..
Please mind your language. Its not able Shia/ Sunni. its about pakistanis as a whole. Just relax, take a chill pill and let taafu and company do what they can...
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@GeoG..
Please mind your language. Its not able Shia/ Sunni. its about pakistanis as a whole. Just relax, take a chill pill and let taafu and company do what they can...

Sure Bhai
It was response to non stop curse to Sunnis and Wahabis from a Shia
Pls read my post above where I stated that I don't want to get into this sectarian discussion but one can tolerate abuse to a certain extent.