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awan4ever

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/28/uk-training-saudi-troops?CMP=twt_gu

Britain is training Saudi Arabia's national guard the elite security force deployed during the recent protests in Bahrain in public order enforcement measures and the use of sniper rifles. The revelation has outraged human rights groups, which point out that the Foreign Office recognises that the kingdom's human rights record is "a major concern".

In response to questions made under the Freedom of Information Act, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed that British personnel regularly run courses for the national guard in "weapons, fieldcraft and general military skills training, as well as incident handling, bomb disposal, search, public order and sniper training". The courses are organised through the British Military Mission to the Saudi Arabian National Guard, an obscure unit that consists of 11 British army personnel under the command of a brigadier.

The MoD response, obtained yesterday by the Observer, reveals that Britain sends up to 20 training teams to the kingdom a year. Saudi Arabia pays for "all BMM personnel, as well as support costs such as accommodation and transport".

Bahrain's royal family used 1,200 Saudi troops to help put down demonstrations in March. At the time the British government said it was "deeply concerned" about reports of human rights abuses being perpetrated by the troops.

"Britain's important role in training the Saudi Arabian national guard in internal security over many years has enabled them to develop tactics to help suppress the popular uprising in Bahrain," said Nicholas Gilby of the Campaign Against Arms Trade.

Analysts believe the Saudi royal family is desperate to shore up its position in the region by preserving existing regimes in the Gulf that will help check the increasing power of Iran.

"Last year we raised concerns that the Saudis had been using UK-supplied and UK-maintained arms in secret attacks in Yemen that left scores of Yemeni civilians dead," said Oliver Sprague, director of Amnesty International's UK Arms Programme.

Defence minister Nick Harvey confirmed to parliament last week that the UK's armed forces provided training to the Saudi national guard. "It is possible that some members of the Saudi Arabian national guard which were deployed in Bahrain may have undertaken some training provided by the British military mission," he said.

The confirmation that this training is focused on maintaining public order in the kingdom is potentially embarrassing for the government. Coming at the end of a week in which the G8 summit in France approved funding for countries embracing democracy in the wake of the Arab spring, it has led to accusations that the government's foreign policy is at conflict with itself.

Jonathan Edwards, a Plaid Cymru MP who has tabled parliamentary questions to the MoD about its links to Saudi Arabia, said he found it difficult to understand why Britain was training troops for "repressive undemocratic regimes". "This is the shocking face of our democracy to many people in the world, as we prop up regimes of this sort," Edwards said. "It is intensely hypocritical of our leadership in the UK Labour or Conservative to talk of supporting freedoms in the Middle East and elsewhere while at the same time training crack troops of dictatorships."

The MoD's response was made in 2006, but when questioned this week it confirmed Britain has been providing training for the Saudi national guard to improve their "internal security and counter-terrorism" capabilities since 1964 and continues to do so. Members of the guard, which was established by the kingdom's royal family because it feared its regular army would not support it in the event of a popular uprising, are also provided places on flagship UK military courses at Sandhurst and Dartmouth. In Saudi Arabia, Britain continues to train the guard in "urban sharpshooter" programmes, the MoD confirmed.

Last year, Britain approved 163 export licences for military equipment to Saudi Arabia, worth 110m. Exports included armoured personnel carriers, sniper rifles, small arms ammunition and weapon sights. In 2009, the UK supplied Saudi Arabia with CS hand grenades, teargas and riot control agents.

Sprague said a shake-up of the system licensing the supply of military expertise and weapons to foreign governments was overdue. "We need a far more rigorous case-by-case examination of the human rights records of those who want to buy our equipment or receive training."

An MoD spokesman described the Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, as "key partners" in the fight against terrorism. "By providing training for countries to the same high standards used by UK armed forces we help to save lives and raise awareness of human rights," said the spokesman.

Labour MP Mike Gapes, the former chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said British military support for Saudi Arabia was about achieving a "difficult balance".

"On the one hand Saudi Arabia faces the threat of al-Qaida but on the other its human rights record is dreadful. This is the constant dilemma you have when dealing with autocratic regimes: do you ignore them or try to improve them?"
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/28/uk-training-saudi-troops?CMP=twt_gu

Britain is training Saudi Arabia's national guard – the elite security force deployed during the recent protests in Bahrain – in public order enforcement measures and the use of sniper rifles. The revelation has outraged human rights groups, which point out that the Foreign Office recognises that the kingdom's human rights record is "a major concern".

In response to questions made under the Freedom of Information Act, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed that British personnel regularly run courses for the national guard in "weapons, fieldcraft and general military skills training, as well as incident handling, bomb disposal, search, public order and sniper training". The courses are organised through the British Military Mission to the Saudi Arabian National Guard, an obscure unit that consists of 11 British army personnel under the command of a brigadier.

The MoD response, obtained yesterday by the Observer, reveals that Britain sends up to 20 training teams to the kingdom a year. Saudi Arabia pays for "all BMM personnel, as well as support costs such as accommodation and transport".

Bahrain's royal family used 1,200 Saudi troops to help put down demonstrations in March. At the time the British government said it was "deeply concerned" about reports of human rights abuses being perpetrated by the troops.

"Britain's important role in training the Saudi Arabian national guard in internal security over many years has enabled them to develop tactics to help suppress the popular uprising in Bahrain," said Nicholas Gilby of the Campaign Against Arms Trade.

Analysts believe the Saudi royal family is desperate to shore up its position in the region by preserving existing regimes in the Gulf that will help check the increasing power of Iran.

"Last year we raised concerns that the Saudis had been using UK-supplied and UK-maintained arms in secret attacks in Yemen that left scores of Yemeni civilians dead," said Oliver Sprague, director of Amnesty International's UK Arms Programme.

Defence minister Nick Harvey confirmed to parliament last week that the UK's armed forces provided training to the Saudi national guard. "It is possible that some members of the Saudi Arabian national guard which were deployed in Bahrain may have undertaken some training provided by the British military mission," he said.

The confirmation that this training is focused on maintaining public order in the kingdom is potentially embarrassing for the government. Coming at the end of a week in which the G8 summit in France approved funding for countries embracing democracy in the wake of the Arab spring, it has led to accusations that the government's foreign policy is at conflict with itself.

Jonathan Edwards, a Plaid Cymru MP who has tabled parliamentary questions to the MoD about its links to Saudi Arabia, said he found it difficult to understand why Britain was training troops for "repressive undemocratic regimes". "This is the shocking face of our democracy to many people in the world, as we prop up regimes of this sort," Edwards said. "It is intensely hypocritical of our leadership in the UK – Labour or Conservative – to talk of supporting freedoms in the Middle East and elsewhere while at the same time training crack troops of dictatorships."

The MoD's response was made in 2006, but when questioned this week it confirmed Britain has been providing training for the Saudi national guard to improve their "internal security and counter-terrorism" capabilities since 1964 and continues to do so. Members of the guard, which was established by the kingdom's royal family because it feared its regular army would not support it in the event of a popular uprising, are also provided places on flagship UK military courses at Sandhurst and Dartmouth. In Saudi Arabia, Britain continues to train the guard in "urban sharpshooter" programmes, the MoD confirmed.

Last year, Britain approved 163 export licences for military equipment to Saudi Arabia, worth 110m. Exports included armoured personnel carriers, sniper rifles, small arms ammunition and weapon sights. In 2009, the UK supplied Saudi Arabia with CS hand grenades, teargas and riot control agents.

Sprague said a shake-up of the system licensing the supply of military expertise and weapons to foreign governments was overdue. "We need a far more rigorous case-by-case examination of the human rights records of those who want to buy our equipment or receive training."

An MoD spokesman described the Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, as "key partners" in the fight against terrorism. "By providing training for countries to the same high standards used by UK armed forces we help to save lives and raise awareness of human rights," said the spokesman.

Labour MP Mike Gapes, the former chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said British military support for Saudi Arabia was about achieving a "difficult balance".

"On the one hand Saudi Arabia faces the threat of al-Qaida but on the other its human rights record is dreadful. This is the constant dilemma you have when dealing with autocratic regimes: do you ignore them or try to improve them?"
 

mt_dilber

MPA (400+ posts)
Wo mulk jiss ko Muslim Ummah ka leader hona chahye tha, wohi Muslims ki peeth main chhurra ghomp raha hai. I pray for the day when Arabia will be freed from Saudi thugs.
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
oh yar aawan
tumhain pakistan, saudia, and other islamic mumalik kay ilawa bhee kisi main kharabi nazar aati hai ?

if uk is training tou kaya hoa ? what wrong every govt has right to protect itself ....

maloom nahi kay aap ehsas e kamtari ka shikar hain , ya hasad ka ya siraf aawan kay naam kay peechay pandit
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
oh yar aawan
tumhain pakistan, saudia, and other islamic mumalik kay ilawa bhee kisi main kharabi nazar aati hai ?

if uk is training tou kaya hoa ? what wrong every govt has right to protect itself ....

maloom nahi kay aap ehsas e kamtari ka shikar hain , ya hasad ka ya siraf aawan kay naam kay peechay pandit

Well then we should have no problems with the presence of anti-terrorist US SEAL units in Pakistan. They also come here to 'train' our people in counter terrorism. Per us per tau hum sab log uchal pertay hein keh ghair mulki mudakhlat ho rahi hay!

Why should I point out kharabis in other mumalik? What does it matter to me if there are poor people in India or if there is a break down of law and order in Russia?

Saudi Arabia has relevance to us in many ways. If you want I can point them out but I hope you are smart enough to know atleast that much.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saudi Arabia has relevance to us in many ways. If you want I can point them out but I hope you are smart enough to know atleast that much.

The only problem of anti-Saudi Government element is that they are burning inside since their creation that why can't they allowed to perform their SHIRKIA acts in Saudi Arabia.

No doubt that Saudi Kings have human weaknesses like other rulers, for example, Zardari the Dakoo. But their good governance towards their citizen and always extending help to Muslim countries like Pakistan has far more strength then their weaknesses.


May Allah give hidayat to current Saudi regime to rule as per example set by Hazarat Umer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ). Aameen.


 
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canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saudi Arabia is the biggest prize coveted by western powers.We love that place more than our lives.That's where our Holy Kaaba is.
This is The Country of our Holy Prophet.What I am really really worried about is the presence of these Western soldiers apparenty to
protect the interests of The Saudi Royal family.Why did'nt they ask for troops from Pakistan or any other Muslim Country ? I am
not sure if The Saudi Royals considered situation in Libiya before taking this extreme step.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saudi Arabia is the biggest prize coveted by western powers.We love that place more than our lives.That's where our Holy Kaaba is.
This is The Country of our Holy Prophet.What I am really really worried about is the presence of these Western soldiers apparenty to
protect the interests of The Saudi Royal family.Why did'nt they ask for troops from Pakistan or any other Muslim Country ? I am
not sure if The Saudi Royals considered situation in Libiya before taking this extreme step.

Dear Canadian,

I understand your concern but unfortunately there is no Muslim country who specialize in National Guard training. I hope that Saudi government is keeping an eye on these foreign trainers.