The duality.

[Mocha7]

Background:
As Taliban have captured almost all of Afghanistan, some people here are jubilant and in high spirits. Let just move few years back, not so long ago, in Zardari era. TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban. Americans were against them as part of the so called War on Terror. Drone attacks were happening with the permission of our Civil-Military leadership. Civil and military leadership were in strategic partnership with Americans. Back to back military operations against TTP and other factions were carried out throughout the country to eradicate TTP and Co. Concurrently TTP carried out attacks on civil leadership and military convoys. Mosque and Bazaar were also targeted. Some religio-political parties were contending that civil-military establishment, for dollars, is dancing to the tune of America, after APS somehow those voices deadened. Eventually Pakistan Army crushed the armed resistance, labeling them anti state, with the help of America.

So my question to dancing crowd is: If Afghan Taliban are right in their ideology and for that reason just in wiping off those who are partner with American or are obstacle en route. Why doesn't TTP's attack on Army convoy fair and orthodox? Why not apply same rule in Pakistan. Was the state and establishment right in squashing the TTP and other factions fighting for some ideology. Consider Afghan Taliban warriors and TTP anti state?

ملک اپنے میں سیکولر بندے کو لیڈر بنایا ہوا ہے اور اس کے نام کی صبح شام مالا پڑھی جا رہی ہے افغانستان کے لئے طالبان اور ان کی حکومت پسند ۔ افغان طالبان پہ مہربانیاں، پاکستانی طالبان کو گالیاں ۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں ؟

What's this blend of Imran's secular democratic government mode and Taliban's religious government idea?​

 

[Tit4Tat]

issue is ex afghan govt was hostile against us, they let india use their territory to carry out unrest in Pak

 

[The Sane]

As Taliban have captured almost all of Afghanistan, some people here are jubilant and in high spirits. Let just move few years back, not so long ago, in Zardari era. TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban. Americans were against them as part of the so called War on Terror. Drone attacks were happening with the permission of our Civil-Military leadership. Civil and military leadership were in strategic partnership with Americans. Back to back military operations against TTP and other factions were carried out throughout the country to eradicate TTP and Co. Concurrently TTP carried out attacks on civil leadership and military convoys. Mosque and Bazaar were also targeted. Some religio-political parties were contending that civil-military establishment, for dollars, is dancing to the tune of America, after APS somehow those voices deadened. Eventually Pakistan Army crushed the armed resistance, labeling them anti state, with the help of America.

So my question to dancing crowd is: If Afghan Taliban are right in their ideology and for that reason just in wiping off those who are partner with American or are obstacle en route. Why doesn't TTP's attack on Army convoy fair and orthodox? Why not apply same rule in Pakistan. Was the state and establishment right in squashing the TTP and other factions fighting for some ideology. Consider Afghan Taliban warriors and TTP anti state?

ملک اپنے میں سیکولر بندے کو لیڈر بنایا ہوا ہے اور اس کے نام کی صبح شام مالا پڑھی جا رہی ہے افغانستان کے لئے طالبان اور ان کی حکومت پسند ۔ افغان طالبان پہ مہربانیاں، پاکستانی طالبان کو گالیاں ۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں ؟​

کیونکہ افغان طالبان بینظیر بھٹو نے بنائے تھے جبکہ پاکستانی طالبان را نے

 

[Mocha7]

کیونکہ افغان طالبان بینظیر بھٹو نے بنائے تھے جبکہ پاکستانی طالبان را نے

واہ جی واہ ۔۔۔ کیا کہنے

 

[The Sane]

واہ جی واہ ۔۔۔ کیا کہنے

You are welcome

 

[Modest]

Afghan Taliban are freedom fighters who were fighting against the invading forces to free their country from foreign occupation while TTP terrorists were sponsored by our enemies to carry out terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

 

[Iconoclast]

Another semen demon out to tell us how bad he's actually hurting..... Who in their right mind would bother to read this unfortunate result of unprotected intercourse? Or any Phatwar o Jihal or brown candle lover.
The perks of Ignore option, I'd almost forgotten about this sideshow freak.

 

[The Sane]

Another semen demon out to tell us how bad he's actually hurting..... Who in their right mind would bother to read this unfortunate result of unprotected intercourse? Or any Phatwar o Jihal or brown candle lover.
The perks of Ignore option, I'd almost forgotten about this sideshow freak.

There are many pesky vermin out of hiding after the sewer overflowed.

 

[MADdoo]

We all know there is deep-rooted connection between Taliban and TTP, how TTP will act now?
back in 90s there was no TTP, can we assume there will no TTP activities in Pakistan or worse than before.

 

[Citizen X]

As Taliban have captured almost all of Afghanistan, some people here are jubilant and in high spirits. Let just move few years back, not so long ago, in Zardari era. TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban. Americans were against them as part of the so called War on Terror. Drone attacks were happening with the permission of our Civil-Military leadership. Civil and military leadership were in strategic partnership with Americans. Back to back military operations against TTP and other factions were carried out throughout the country to eradicate TTP and Co. Concurrently TTP carried out attacks on civil leadership and military convoys. Mosque and Bazaar were also targeted. Some religio-political parties were contending that civil-military establishment, for dollars, is dancing to the tune of America, after APS somehow those voices deadened. Eventually Pakistan Army crushed the armed resistance, labeling them anti state, with the help of America.

So my question to dancing crowd is: If Afghan Taliban are right in their ideology and for that reason just in wiping off those who are partner with American or are obstacle en route. Why doesn't TTP's attack on Army convoy fair and orthodox? Why not apply same rule in Pakistan. Was the state and establishment right in squashing the TTP and other factions fighting for some ideology. Consider Afghan Taliban warriors and TTP anti state?

ملک اپنے میں سیکولر بندے کو لیڈر بنایا ہوا ہے اور اس کے نام کی صبح شام مالا پڑھی جا رہی ہے افغانستان کے لئے طالبان اور ان کی حکومت پسند ۔ افغان طالبان پہ مہربانیاں، پاکستانی طالبان کو گالیاں ۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں ؟​

We have he memory of a goldfish. People who are celebrating are fools or don't remember the last time Taliban were in power. There is absolutely no difference between them and the TTP both are dogs of hell and deserve to be turned into dogfood like our armed forces with them.

Since anti americanism is our second favorite pass time, they think because the Americans left, somehow the taliban defeated them and an enemy of an enemy is a friend.

Failing to realize these are the same people who used to play football with the decapitated heads of our soldier. And given the chance they will play football with their heads as well of their families.

 

[surfer]

As Taliban have captured almost all of Afghanistan, some people here are jubilant and in high spirits. Let just move few years back, not so long ago, in Zardari era. TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban. Americans were against them as part of the so called War on Terror. Drone attacks were happening with the permission of our Civil-Military leadership. Civil and military leadership were in strategic partnership with Americans. Back to back military operations against TTP and other factions were carried out throughout the country to eradicate TTP and Co. Concurrently TTP carried out attacks on civil leadership and military convoys. Mosque and Bazaar were also targeted. Some religio-political parties were contending that civil-military establishment, for dollars, is dancing to the tune of America, after APS somehow those voices deadened. Eventually Pakistan Army crushed the armed resistance, labeling them anti state, with the help of America.

So my question to dancing crowd is: If Afghan Taliban are right in their ideology and for that reason just in wiping off those who are partner with American or are obstacle en route. Why doesn't TTP's attack on Army convoy fair and orthodox? Why not apply same rule in Pakistan. Was the state and establishment right in squashing the TTP and other factions fighting for some ideology. Consider Afghan Taliban warriors and TTP anti state?

ملک اپنے میں سیکولر بندے کو لیڈر بنایا ہوا ہے اور اس کے نام کی صبح شام مالا پڑھی جا رہی ہے افغانستان کے لئے طالبان اور ان کی حکومت پسند ۔ افغان طالبان پہ مہربانیاں، پاکستانی طالبان کو گالیاں ۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں ؟​

You're only considering ideology, not politics, military, culture or ground realities.

Af Taliban were fighting against a US back stooge govt, which collapsed in a week
TTP were fighting against a national govt which had the support of majority of pakistanis

The ideology may be similar, but while the ideology may be accepted by majority of Afgans (- you can see how much resistance was put up against taliban 2.0), I don't believe TTP would get that support from throughout pakistan.

Although we have seen mullahs like TLP becoming more popular, historically we have been much more liberal then Afgans, and parties like TLP are not in a position to take over, unless they win elections....which seems very unlikely

 

[surfer]

As Taliban have captured almost all of Afghanistan, some people here are jubilant and in high spirits. Let just move few years back, not so long ago, in Zardari era. TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban. Americans were against them as part of the so called War on Terror. Drone attacks were happening with the permission of our Civil-Military leadership. Civil and military leadership were in strategic partnership with Americans. Back to back military operations against TTP and other factions were carried out throughout the country to eradicate TTP and Co. Concurrently TTP carried out attacks on civil leadership and military convoys. Mosque and Bazaar were also targeted. Some religio-political parties were contending that civil-military establishment, for dollars, is dancing to the tune of America, after APS somehow those voices deadened. Eventually Pakistan Army crushed the armed resistance, labeling them anti state, with the help of America.

So my question to dancing crowd is: If Afghan Taliban are right in their ideology and for that reason just in wiping off those who are partner with American or are obstacle en route. Why doesn't TTP's attack on Army convoy fair and orthodox? Why not apply same rule in Pakistan. Was the state and establishment right in squashing the TTP and other factions fighting for some ideology. Consider Afghan Taliban warriors and TTP anti state?

ملک اپنے میں سیکولر بندے کو لیڈر بنایا ہوا ہے اور اس کے نام کی صبح شام مالا پڑھی جا رہی ہے افغانستان کے لئے طالبان اور ان کی حکومت پسند ۔ افغان طالبان پہ مہربانیاں، پاکستانی طالبان کو گالیاں ۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں ؟​

Also, hopefully someone will ask the head of PDM the same question?

افغانستان میں طالبان کا کنٹرول ،مولانا فضل الرحمان کی طالبان کو مبارکباد

urdu.siasat.pk

 

[Mocha7]

I simply want to comprehend the people who reckon secular Imran as their leader and simultaneously are fond of Taliban's ideology and government. What's the quandary?

 

[The Sane]

We all know there is deep-rooted connection between Taliban and TTP, how TTP will act now?
back in 90s there was no TTP, can we assume there will no TTP activities in Pakistan or worse than before.

With a fenced border, Indians trounced in Afghanistan and Pakistani trouble crafters having been exterminated for most part in the last 5 years, TTP is a castrated entity now. AT will only behave if they have their economic and political interests fulfilled, and Chinese wouldn’t let this opportunity slip by. Indians will certainly try to entice them with money, in which case Pakistan will have the capacity to tighten the noose around them. I mean, come on, can’t we switch gears in support of the Northern alliance?

 

[Lubnakhan]

We should follow our interest like everyone else is doing in the world! We favor taliban because we had worst experience with all other afghan governments!! We are cautious about taliban as well and that also because we have think about our country!!but some how we feel this regime will be far better than Indian puppets!! They instigated PTM, they humiliated us on every international forum!! Why would we favour them??? And it’s not the PTI followers solely , almost all followers of political parties are exhausted and tired of ashraf guano and Kabul elite’s hatred towards us!!

 

[Lubnakhan]

By the way Ashraf ghani (traitor) flee from his country, big mouthed hamdullah mohib also gone!! Who favors traitors !!

 

[MADdoo]

With a fenced border, Indians trounced in Afghanistan and Pakistani trouble crafters having been exterminated for most part in the last 5 years, TTP is a castrated entity now. AT will only behave if they have their economic and political interests fulfilled, and Chinese wouldn’t let this opportunity slip by. Indians will certainly try to entice them with money, in which case Pakistan will have the capacity to tighten the noose around them. I mean, come on, can’t we switch gears in support of the Northern alliance?

Very Balance narrative. definitely, there is some good understanding between US and AT, and US was well aware of the current situation in Afghanistan years before. China don't want to miss this opportunity, here Pakistan could be the middle man in this but Why US will leave everything open for China. As per them, Removing unrest from Middle east and Central asia could cause a lot of trouble to EU and US.
US must have some other plans to deal with China, they are investing huge amount of money in india and making Arabs to invest.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

Background:
TTP was in full swing, seemingly fighting for the same ideology as Afghan Taliban.

We have he memory of a goldfish. People who are celebrating are fools or don't remember the last time Taliban were in power. There is absolutely no difference between them and the TTP both are dogs of hell and deserve to be turned into dogfood like our armed forces with them.

Since anti americanism is our second favorite pass time, they think because the Americans left, somehow the taliban defeated them and an enemy of an enemy is a friend.

Failing to realize these are the same people who used to play football with the decapitated heads of our soldier. And given the chance they will play football with their heads as well of their families.

I don't really think that you people have any idea about the merger of PATA after the SC's verdict in mid 1990's and the emanation of Tehreek e Nifaaz e Shariat e Muhammadi (TNSM) and then its conversion into TTP. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been very difficult to comprehend the difference between AT and TTP.

 

[atensari]

امریکا نے جس طرح افغانستان میں جمہوریت قائم کی پی ٹی ایم، اے این پی، بی ایل اے ایک علاوہ اور کون سی جماعت پاکستان میں ایسی جمہوریت قبول کرے گی!؛

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[Mocha7]

I don't really think that you people have any idea about the merger of PATA after the SC's verdict in mid 1990's and the emanation of Tehreek e Nifaaz e Shariat e Muhammadi (TNSM) and then its conversion into TTP. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been very difficult to comprehend the difference between AT and TTP.

I didn't get the essence, elaborate please.