Swat:Truth is the First casualty in War

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Pakistanis have no shame. Especially the Enlighted Liberal elite.
A Tragedy to them is an opportunity to peddle their vacuous Demougery.

Do they secretly wish Malala had died so you could huff and puff with more conviction.
More Crocodile tears on spilt blood.

I thought Swat is cleared now, after the much touted Operation they all were cheering for?
How many more operations should we do till this stops?

And what does this have to do with Drone strikes?
Will drone strikes in tribal areas have any effect in Swat ?

Fact is Swat has been thoroughly destroyed and the government has sown the seeds for troubles that will last a generation.
You think you could first let the Taliban set up shop for three years, then kill thousands of people in aerial bombardment and clean up operation and have no long term problems?Fact is since the eighties TNSM had a huge popular presence.
The Taliban of Swat actually quite successfully appealed to the landless peasants to rise up against the ANP supporting Khans and join them. In a documentary for Al Jazeera(by Rageh Omar) the Army Brigadier states that the Taliban were immensely popular among the landless tenants and were being financed with jewelry etc donations by supporters. TNSM was holding the largest rallies in Sawat History.

There was of course a boring practical political solution to all of this.Benazir Bhutto followed it in the 90's and before that a deal was also done in the 80's.
But just for $$ things were allowed to degenerate out of control.
And the kicker is all the Taliban leadership manage to teleport out of Swat and sitting pretty in Afghanistan.
How about you try this snip on for size the only leader allegedly caught "Muslim Khan" son worked at Peshawar University during the operation. Muslim Khan also had spent 6 years in Boston,USA as a painter, something he let slip in a interview to NPR.
(If you think I am stretching it consider other known ISI assets:
Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh(UK) and David Headley(USA) he fits the profile.)
He incidentally used every opportunity to play the boggy man, mostly at odds to statements to statements from everyone else. No one knows what happened to him after his "capture".
Another "commander" was in Karachi working for PTCL during the operation.
They may have been planted assets, who lost control of their charade.

No one has yet explain how a simple Radio station could not be jammed for over an year. Nor how the Taliban got tons of arms and ammunition, tunnel boring equipment into the district. No one has yet explained who exactly were these people, who trained and equipped them for all those years.

(Not a single so called foreign militant was ever captured or shown on media)

Not a single commission or report to tell us what was all that about.
Another Horse and cattle show sponsored by the GHQ. Mithi Pao,
Sonnies have been sent to the States, Bharia plots have been purchased.

(One argument goes that why would the Army endanger so many of its own soldiers in these seemingly meaningless operations To that I may want to remind you our GHQ is particularly callous to its soldiers. In 71 it left 90,00 to the mercy of the Enemy. In 65 in operation gibraltar not one of the 5000 sent to Kashmir made it back. Musharraf and gang of four even refused to take back the bodies of the Martyrs who starved in Kargil. Human being are a commodity, leveraged for momentary benefit.)

I have many friends from Swat. Many where very pro Army before the operation. None are anymore. Some of the stories they tell are unbelievable. There is alot of anger. So much so ANP still cant hold a single rally in the district a former stronghold. Anyone remotely related is seen as a target.
This is the district in KPK with the highest Literacy rate , an industrial base, with no borders to tribals areas and the most liberal culturally.
Now it may need a permanent garrison.


This young girl has unfortunately been exploited by ANP(Her dad Ziauddin Yusufzai is typical ambitious ANP low life), BBC(Who concocted here "Diaries" initially) , ruling coalition(who have used her as a propaganda tool to continue the WOT) and our local Media.
Much like that fake Swat flogging video concocted by Samar Minallah and her NGO.
I dont blame her she is just a kid doing what she was told.

If you think I am being unfair please someone here explain what exactly is Ms Malalai famous for?
Go ahead read her so called diaries written by Abdul Hai Kakar of BBC Urdu service modelled on Ann Frank diaries.(See Below for Gory details of the AIRRA network)


Do you honestly think an 11 years old anywhere in Pakistan can write them.
How stupid do you think people are?
Do also check the times and dates and her differing accounts. You can drive a truck through that thing.

Now her life is needlessly in danger. Hope all these people are proud of themselves.
I do hope she makes it.


Abdul Hai Kakar is the same Guy released the flogging video from BBC days after the Swat Nifaz e Adil agreement, effectively causing the Swat War. The video was staged by Samar Mianullah (Daughter of Athar Mainullah) NGO called Ethno Media.
He also fabricated multiple first hand accounts in his Swat war coverage. He now works for propaganda station Radio Mashal (radio Liberty) from Prague.
Not surprisingly he is actually actually an Afghan. Who was unfortunately allowed to study in Quetta in the 90's. These Ex communists (Tarikis)from Afghanistan have a deep resentment towards Pakistan and especially Pashtuns in Pakistan .

The guy not surprisingly was closely associated with ANP think tank AIRRA,regularly attending its core meetings, regularly. Minutes available on line.
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Abdul Hai Kakar Livin it up after sending thousands in Swat to their deaths.

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Standing like a moron behind Parnab Mukherjee

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Samar Mianullah.Claim to fame is directed the sordid Bibi Sheerini music video and staging the Swat whipping video from her NGO Ethno media. Daughter of noted Asteen ka sanp of the Lwayer movement Athar Mainullah.(Who was a minister and noted Tatoo of Musharraf a few year earlier. By his own admission he coordinated the Lawyer movement to the GHQ specifications)
Here is break down of how she pulled it of:
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/the-price-is-worth-it-samar-albright-minallah/
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/additional-notes-on-samar-minallah-swat-video-and-ngos/
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/no-surprise-samar-‘albright’-minallah-unrepentent/
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/fake-swat-video-finally-declared-fake/
http://www.chowrangi.com/why-samar-minallah-trying-to-sabotage-swat-peace-process.html

She still thinks she is a HR activist after causing the deaths of thousands based on a lie. She unfortunately recetly even met the Code Pink delegation. Im sure she tried her best to tell then how nice drone strikes are.
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Samar shooting her next Pashtoon Porno. Making us all proud..

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Farhat Taj who became is Farhat Taj Anderson after moving to Norway and converting to Christianity is a Doctoral student and aspiring academic. Along with telling norwegians how Muslims cant be trusted she also ran a long campaign trying to prove that Tribals actually love drones. Not only that they think its punishment from God Himself.
A visiting Canadian journalist from the Globe and Mail smelt a rat.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/w...ots-in-the-sky/article1739172/?service=mobile

She ofcourse never published her findings for peer review.
She is also a regular contributor to Najam Sethi run daily times(where she writes under the Pseudonym Farhat Taj leaving out the Anderson bit). She runs the disinformation mill AIRRA.
http://www.airra.org/home/

AIRRA can be summarised briefly as a organization that believes Pashtoons blood should be freely expended in the pointless WOT. AIRRA hopes after the imposed horror, Pashtoons will leave their Pakhtunwali and love for religion and also become Anderson Khels and Christian like Farhat Taj.(bigsmile)

Work from more credible organization have subsequently showed all her assertion to be false. Even surveys from Right wing American think tanks showed Farhat Taj was delusional. Another writer looked at her data and showed she was even misrepresenting the Fudged figures.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wajiha-ahmed/the-new-york-times---gett_b_389408.html
This did not stop noted resident Zionist of Dawn Irfan Hussain to quote her in his book extensively.

Yet circa 2012 our so called "Liberals" still quote her lies.
A synopsis with a Pakhtun POV can be found here.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=22588
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=28531
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=16188

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The glorified Babu runing AIRRA for Farhat Taj, "Professor" Khadim Hussain.
A life long ANP a hole he is now based in Islamabad.
When he is not fabricating studies for AIRRA
(Read this:http://nadeemmalik.blogspot.com/2009/04/plz-save-pakistan-from-baheria.html &
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/w...ots-in-the-sky/article1739172/?service=mobile)
He works for Bacha Baz Khan Trust for Education Foundation. This trust has received millions from the KPK government during the ANP rule.
He also writes for Dawn , Daily Times and misinforms public regarding terrorism, KPK etc
Earlier he worked at Bahria University in a still incomplete thesis.
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With other ANP Qom farosh low lives, thinking of ways of spilling more Pashtun blood.



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This is what Salim Safi want to be in five years.

This ugly Bugger is Pir Zubair Shah an unemployable waste of space till before the war. The WOT was the best thing that ever happened to him. Using his lack of journalistic integrity and flair for writing action sequences, he was an asset when NYT wanted a native informant.
Unfortunately born in the proud Pirs of Kaniguram, SWA(Burki sub tribe descended Religious figure Pir Roshan) he wrote hogwash about SWA and Swat campaign.
He developed a close friendship to CIA asset and ISI henchman Asad Munir. Whose stay in KPK was the time when summary execution and internment camps became the norm. Of Course our Pir Zubair Shah never saw this.
He was richly rewarded for his useful lies. Becoming the Niemann fellow at Harvard. And sharing the Pulitzer prize. He also wrote an embarrassing piece in Foreign Policy magazine called "My Drone War".
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/02/27/my_drone_war
It reads like a B grade action movie script cause its mostly fiction.
He has now retired from reporting.Giving up and coming talent like Safi a chance at the Big time.

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Asad Munir of the Munir Bro. ISI hechman, CIA asset and War criminal.
His writing is a cure to all the webs and deceit, the other ISI asset Zaid Hamid has spun.
Anyone still chest thumping about the fortress of Islam and our "Great Mard e Mujahid",please read the articles of the Munir Bros in DT,ET and other rags.
Close to Mush even after "retirement" they perform propaganda services for Aabpara.
For e.g ,He was the source of the Damage controlling leaks after OBL raid.



I am no fan of the TTP.
Infact I know personally most of the so called Pakistani Taliban are just career criminals, opportunist, Narco traders etc. Others represent specific Tribal interests.

They dont have an ideological bone in their body.
Some of them like the former Kashmiri Jihadi groups and Punjabi jehadi were brought in and setup here by the state.
Same goes for AQ types for a time being (200-2005). Some of the ISI types are directly involved in the lucrative Kidnapping racket and timber racket (and the Emerald mining racket in Swat).At same time alot of $$$ are going to the FATA secretariat,FC local Army guys.

Its in these people interest to prolong this conflict.

But the victims are mostly tribals people.
Gen McCrystal commissioned detailed studies on this ; in a pashtun tribal society every every innocent civilian killed predicts an “additional 0.03 attacks per 1,000 population in the next 6-week period, and increase level of violence in a 6 month period..Our so called Liberals roll their eyes to this notion. but the Americans have actually studied it to the decimal point.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w16152.pdf?new_window=1

The same thing is fuelling this war. These people believe religiously in getting even. Ask any Army person who was in the attack in the Pindi mosque what the attackers were saying.

I also know most of this war is a protracted Noora Kushti b/w GHQ boys and Armed groups to make $$$.
Come to Peshawar and ask any person from an affected area. Its all smoke and mirrors. For a recent case just look at what going on in Khyber Agency and Tirah valley. Just for fun try to tactically map out any of these so called operations.
Or attempt to answer the very simple question I have asked on the Swat operation.Most Pakistanis have no Idea.

As for Malalai I am just pointing out her life was purposely endangered for purely propaganda purposes.

Sure the people who shot her (Who aren't Taliban as we are told their arent any in Swat) have the primary responsibility.
But there are others who can share the blame.
For example:
lets say me and you live in a brutal dictatorship (Something Mush was trying to get to, maybe something like Balochistan . I then make a video of your nephew saying bad things (but true) things about the Armed forces and ISI.
And put it up on you tube.
One of these thugs then God forbid comes and does something terrible to ur nephew.
Surely I have to share some of the blame, even if you agree to everything I put in that video.
From the many victims of Swat POV thats approximately what's going on. Swat operation was widely unpopular at first.
Almost 50% population was opposed it others were on the fence. A carefully orchestrated Media campaign was what made it happen, 70% turned in favor.Malala was unfortunately a part of it.

These people even enlisted a girl of eleven, deliberately put her in harms way to pull of their coup.

Disregard everything else I have posted and just think whether its unusual that the primary BBC reporter also happened to be essentially a ANP asset.This reporter produced the most wide cited reports and differed qualitatively from reports coming from AFP, guardian. There are very serious factual distortions.
Wikileaks showed ANP/PPP wanted no peace and BBC just happened to deliver the goods at the right time
. Hussain Haqqani said on US TV (The Daily Show with John Stewert)the "Peace deal" was designed to lure the Taliban to towns so they could be slaughtered. It was never meant to be kept.

Sure the TTP are animals. Condemn them. Leave them no quarter.
But in the then they are just pawns, Bogey men.
The are our Emmanuelle Goldstein for our two minutes of hate.

Those behind the curtain also deserve our condemnation.

Note: I have made this in a hurry. I have just presented what I think is an alternative perspective to events. I will be more then happy to try to debate the issues discussed out and see if they hold water.
Where I have been brief I rely of links which represent some aspect of what I think is the truth, but I wont vouch for everything in them.
I plan to add a few more section when I get the time.

Note 2: Media reports now confirm what I have written about Abdul Hai Kakars role in making Malala Diaries.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...to-school.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ariel/19902744

My assertion were:
1.BBC knowingly endangered Malala. Adult teachers approached for a similar project refused for the inherent dangers.
2. Only Abdul Hai Kakar was source of her diaries. He was the source of the entire scheme.
BBC is now saying the diaries were dictated on phone, meaning they arent diaries at all.
3. He wrote these up and sent them to his editor Mirza Waheed in London who edited them heavily.
4. Her Father endangered her life by revealing her Identity and then using her for his agenda. Her father signed her up for the entire project. This was an eleven years old girl.

All are heavily supported by the articles I put up.

Note 3:
Malalas father was a part of the Qaumi Aman jirga. Which wikileaks describes as a ANP backed pressure group that was trying to establish the writ of the Feudal Landholding class. Swat Aman Jirga organized military groups ag against aliban and then lobbied the Government and Americans to launch Swat operation.
The Wikileaks cable also show that the Taliban had alot of local support contrary to popular belief.
The Wikileaks cable also showed ANP witht the Americans sabotaged any chance of a peaceful solution of the Swat crisis.

The Wikileaks cable also corroborate Hussain Haqqani statement in the Daily show that PakGov never intended to keep the Swat peace agreement and had decided to undertake operation anyways.

If you are at all intrested in the ruth please invest sometime in reading the Wikileaks cables on Swat operation from both the Embassy of Islambad and the Peshawar Consulate.
Keywords:"SWAT","ANP"."TNSM","Sufi Mohammad"

Search here http://cablesearch.org/ for:
  • NWFP: CENTRAL SWAT KHANS HAVE LOST AUTHORITY, COMPLICATING POST-CONFLICT GOVERNANCE
  • NGOS DISCUSS ASSISTANCE AND SECURITY IN SWAT
  • ANP ON NWFP AND FATA DEVELOPMENTS
  • GILANI DECLARES WAR IN SWAT
  • ANP'S WALI KHAN PRAISES MILITARY SUCCESSES
  • MILITANTS KILL ANTI-TALIBAN LEADER IN SWAT
  • ZARDARI SIGNS SHARI'A REGULATIONS FOR SWAT
  • GROPING FOR NATIONAL UNITY

Reproducing all these cables here inst practical , but I am happy to show you the refrances from them for any of my assertions.

Note4: Members have written very valuable insights into Swat situation in anther post. Please have a look as well. I plan to put a Synopsis of the Wikileaks calbes on Swat there if time permits.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ering-Why-our-media-isn-t-running-this-report

Note 5: Adam B Eleck has wirtten about his interaction with Malala and his dad and the inherent dangers of what was done.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...-2012/my-small-video-star-fights-for-her-life

Note 6: A colleciton of pictures that try to shed some complexity into the Swat Conflict.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ot-Swat-quot&p=1079504&viewfull=1#post1079504

Note 7: A few questions on TTP unusal Media capabilitis
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-ullah-exist&p=1076974&viewfull=1#post1076974

Note 8: Another "less worthy" daughter of Swat.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?137371-Swat-ki-aik-doosri-bethi

Note 9: A run down on the changing medical situation of Malala per ISPR.And the well designed "confusions"
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...et-Animation&p=1093253&viewfull=1#post1093253

Note 10:
Mala 2.0 or Malala alpha release Evidense AIRRA AND ANP involved
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...chool-girl-from-Swat-threatened-by-Taliban%94

Note 11:
Matiullah Jan Waqt News carefully boraches the subject of Media ethics. Note the hostile reaction:
http://www.**********/2012/10/13/apna-apna-gareban-malala-issue-and-journalism-13th-october-2012/

Note 12:

A look at the twitter account of the "Journalist" Abdul Hai Kakar.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?196446-Malala-Still-being-used&p=1734173#post1734173
 
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FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Oh yes all Taliban are innocent and we should welcome them among us. We certainly are trying hard to immulate Afghan way of life. These barbarians are not welcomed in our country and time has come to take care of them and their supporter.
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
Oh yes all Taliban are innocent and we should welcome them among us. We certainly are trying hard to immulate Afghan way of life. These barbarians are not welcomed in our country and time has come to take care of them and their supporter.

The TTP are just pawns. Boggy men used to scare cowards like you shitless.
Dupes like you should read more carefully.
If you want to challenge me to anything I stated go ahead .
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Oh yes all Taliban are innocent and we should welcome them among us. We certainly are trying hard to immulate Afghan way of life. These barbarians are not welcomed in our country and time has come to take care of them and their supporter.

Any sensible person can easily draw a conclusion about the attempted Murder on her life. It is not a rocket science. There are too many actors involved with this plot. The ultimate victim is either herself or Islam.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Oh yes all Taliban are innocent and we should welcome them among us. We certainly are trying hard to immulate Afghan way of life. These barbarians are not welcomed in our country and time has come to take care of them and their supporter.

Oh Yes! Useful Idiots/Morons and western stooges- The liberal moderate fascist like U are more dangerous than these lap dogs of CIA/MOSSAD/RAW Tehrik Taaliban Pakistan. You both are just two faces of the same coin. UR field of action are different. TTP Ba.st.ards are given the target of physically assaulting the nation... .. ... and UR field in Cyber Space.
 

nuzhatghazali

Minister (2k+ posts)
حقیقت یہی ہے کہ لوگوں کے ذہن سمجھنے سے قاصر ہیں کہ سچ کیا ہے اور جھوٹ کیا ہے .... کس پر بھروسہ کریں ،،،،، تحقیقات کا کام تو حکومت کا ہوتا ہے لیکن بار بار بکنے والی حکومت پر کوئی تقین کرنے کو تیار نہیں ،
ملالا پر جان لیوا حملہ ایک گھناؤنی کوشش تھی ،،،، اسکے پیچھے اگر طالبان کا ہاتھ ہے تب بھی برا ہے .....اگر یہ آزاد پسند مغربی قوتوں کی چال ہے تو بھی برا ہے .
طالبان کی سٹرٹیجی سب نے مسترد کر دی ہے لیکن مغربی قوتوں کے جال میں پھنس جایئں یہ بھی پسند نہیں ،،،،،
طالبان کبھی بھی پاکستانیوں کے لئے پسندیدہ نہیں رہے لیکن کچھ چیزیں غور طلب ہے ....


لڑکی کو کوڑے مارنے والی ویڈیو جب جھوٹی ثابت ہوئی تو یہ تحقیات کیوں نہیں کی گیں کہ یہ ویڈیو کس نے کس مقصد سے بنائی تھیں ؟
٩-١١ کے بعد سے القاعدہ کی طرف سے دھمکی آمیز ویڈیو کلپ پوری دنیا میں دکھائی جاتی رہیں ،،عراق کی تباہی کے بعد وہ بند کیوں ہو گیں .
سوات سے جب شورش ختم کی گئی تو یہ اچانک بلوچستان سے کیوں شروع ہو گئی ،
امریکا کی طرف سے یہ الزامات لگایے جاتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی فوج طالبان کے ساتھ ہے تو طالبان کی طرف سے فوج پر حملے کون کرتا ہے
ڈرون حملے کے خلاف عمران خان کی ریلی کے فورن بعد یہ واقعہ کیوں ہوا جو پوری دنیا میں بدنامی کا سبب بنا ،،،
پتا نہیں ان سوالوں کے جواب کب اور کون دے گا ،،،،،، الله پاکستان پر اور پاکستانی قوم پر رحم کرے ،، جبکے پاکستان پوری دنیا کی سازشوں کا گڑھ بنا ہوا ہے .
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
حقیقت یہی ہے کہ لوگوں کے ذہن سمجھنے سے قاصر ہیں کہ سچ کیا ہے اور جھوٹ کیا ہے .... کس پر بھروسہ کریں ،،،،، تحقیقات کا کام تو حکومت کا ہوتا ہے لیکن بار بار بکنے والی حکومت پر کوئی تقین کرنے کو تیار نہیں ،
ملالا پر جان لیوا حملہ ایک گھناؤنی کوشش تھی ،،،، اسکے پیچھے اگر طالبان کا ہاتھ ہے تب بھی برا ہے .....اگر یہ آزاد پسند مغربی قوتوں کی چال ہے تو بھی برا ہے .
طالبان کی سٹرٹیجی سب نے مسترد کر دی ہے لیکن مغربی قوتوں کے جال میں پھنس جایئں یہ بھی پسند نہیں ،،،،،
طالبان کبھی بھی پاکستانیوں کے لئے پسندیدہ نہیں رہے لیکن کچھ چیزیں غور طلب ہے ....


لڑکی کو کوڑے مارنے والی ویڈیو جب جھوٹی ثابت ہوئی تو یہ تحقیات کیوں نہیں کی گیں کہ یہ ویڈیو کس نے کس مقصد سے بنائی تھیں ؟
٩-١١ کے بعد سے القاعدہ کی طرف سے دھمکی آمیز ویڈیو کلپ پوری دنیا میں دکھائی جاتی رہیں ،،عراق کی تباہی کے بعد وہ بند کیوں ہو گیں .
سوات سے جب شورش ختم کی گئی تو یہ اچانک بلوچستان سے کیوں شروع ہو گئی ،
امریکا کی طرف سے یہ الزامات لگایے جاتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی فوج طالبان کے ساتھ ہے تو طالبان کی طرف سے فوج پر حملے کون کرتا ہے
ڈرون حملے کے خلاف عمران خان کی ریلی کے فورن بعد یہ واقعہ کیوں ہوا جو پوری دنیا میں بدنامی کا سبب بنا ،،،
پتا نہیں ان سوالوں کے جواب کب اور کون دے گا ،،،،،، الله پاکستان پر اور پاکستانی قوم پر رحم کرے ،، جبکے پاکستان پوری دنیا کی سازشوں کا گڑھ بنا ہوا ہے .


یعنی کے دال دونوں ہی طرف سے کالی ہے
 

Afraheem

Senator (1k+ posts)
[h=5]ملالہ یوسفزئی پر حملے کے بعد عجیب قسم کی آرا دیکھ رہا تھا ، ایک گروپ یہ کہ رہا ہے کہ یہ کوئی طالبان نہیں ہیں ، جو مرضی منہ اٹھا کر طالبان بن جاتا ہے ، حکومت جھوٹ بولتی ہے ، وغیرہ وغیرہ ، جواب یہ ہے کہ بھائی آپ لوگ احمقوں کی دنیا میں رہتے ہو ، یہ ہمارے اپنے ہی لوگ ہیں ،اگر کسی باپ کی اولاد بری نکل آے تو باپ اس کو اولاد ماننے سے تو انکار نہیں کرتا ،ہاں اس بات پر بہر حال کوئی شک نہیں کہ اس قسم کے "مذہبی انتہا پسندوں " کے کاموں کا اسلام سے کوئی زیادہ تعلق نہیں ، دوسرے گروپ کا خیال ہے کہ دیکھا ہم نہیں کہتے تھے کہ ڈرون حملے ٹھیک ہیں ، ان کو مارنا چاہئے ، دیکھو بھائی امریکا ماما لگتا ہے ہمارے علاقے میں لوگوں کو مارنے والا ؟اگر ہمیں ان چند انتہا پسندوں سے ڈیل کرنا ہے تو فی ال فور اس امریکا کی جنگ سے نکلنا لازم ہے !
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seekers

Minister (2k+ posts)
کہدو کے فوجیوں کے کٹے سر جعلی تھے ، ان کو تکبیر پڑھ کر ذبح کرنے والی مخلوق آسمان سے نازل ھوئی تھی ، اس ویڈیو کو بنانے اور ارسال کرنے والے چاند یا مریخ سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں
اس وقت" ڈی ٹی سی" دفاع طالبان کونسل کے مجاہدین لاتعداد تھریڈ کے ساتھ سیاست.پی کے پر حملہ آور ہو چکے ہیں
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If truth is the first casulty, then I guess it is already dead, and what you are saying here, is nothing more that what you wish to present according to your own personal agenda and opinion, because as you state

Re: Swat:Truth is the First casualty in War

The truth has already become a casualty.

Why should we then believe anything you say ?
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
again

there is no such things as taliban, TTP, PTP. Its all terrorist org created by CIA to continue killing to destabilize Pakistan. When a Taliban kills, just say 'CIA has killed'

Also, its very easy to control them but PPP govt does not want to do it because their motto is:

we will take revenge for killings of Bhtto's (even though Zardari might be the killer), and destroy pakistan. All we need is to show Pakistanis that we finally completed a 5 year term that Bhuttos couldnt do it. I dont care what happens in the country.
 

seekers

Minister (2k+ posts)
سعودی حکمرانوں کی طرح طالبان بھی عوامی ردعمل سے خوفزدہ ہو جاتے ہیں ، کسی بھی مخالف تحریک کو کچلنے کے لیے طاقت اور پروپیگنڈہ کا بے دریغ استعمال ان کا شیوہ ہے
 

Researcher

MPA (400+ posts)
Taliban; a vague term used in Pakistan

@zhohaq : It was good that you shared, and showed true face of these people, and your comments at end are sound, and true to great extent. Literally, you can write a good research paper (i mean it), but i will just add one sentence in 'Preface' of such paper that:

"This paper exposes liberal extremists in our ranks, but it has limitations, and it does not cover religious fanatics."

We; people of Pakistan are struck between two extremes; liberal extremists, and religious fanatics. Both have invested a lot in different manners. Their survival is directly related to each other's survival. They vow the masses to show other party's extreme.

For a reasonable mind, it is important to give whole picture, then one sided. Unfortunately, in wonderful platforms like siasat.pk, discussions are lost to mud throwing debates (most of time, it gets down to personal remarks).

I agree with most of what you have put down ($$$ and strategically put there) your observations. Still, i will like to add few more dimensions to characters according to ground realities:

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[To mix the North Waziristan influential Hafiz Gul Bahadur (intelligent to see the direction of wind. Since, Baitullah Masood's death -- he has avoided direct long term conflict with Pakistan militaty), to N. Waziristan's Haqqani (primarily Afghanistan focused, and currently who is central figure to resolve disputes among groups) versus South Waziristan TTP (Pakistan focused), or IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan) is not right.].

[To say AQ from 20-2005, with all due respect how come we can forget hundreds of Chechans, Arabs, and even Turks who are living in the region from 1980's, married and part of the society. Forget even Bara lashkars, or sectarian outfits like LeJ and 'etc']

Major stakeholders of AfPak are simply using their proxies to subdue others for tactical objectives, and strategic gains in post war scenarios.

You are right to blame all those who endanger life of a young kid, but to take the blame away from brutalities; slaughtering of these fanatics; mainly learned from IMU. [I am not just talking about CJ spokesman's daughter made movies, i am talking about two mouthpiece video outlets of TTP, and Arabs, which has directed real videos of slaughtering.].

Condemn them all. May ALLAH truly save Pakistan. Ameen.
 
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Scorpion

Banned
Excellent article . . . . We have to remember one thing that our military establishment are the worst liers in the history of Pakistan . . . . And remember as the Swat is currently controlled by these same morons . . . .
 

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