Sudan woman offers herself for flogging

khan0786

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KHARTOUM (AFP) - A Sudanese woman says she is prepared to be flogged to defend the right to leave her hair uncovered in defiance of a "Taliban"-like law.

Amira Osman Hamed faces a possible whipping if convicted at a trial which could come on September 19. Under Sudanese law her hair -- and that of all women -- is supposed to be covered with a "hijab". But Hamed, 35, refuses to wear one.

Her case has drawn support from civil rights activists and is the latest to highlight Sudan s series of laws governing morality which took effect after the 1989 Islamist-backed coup by President Omar al-Bashir.

"They want us to be like Taliban women," Hamed said in an interview with AFP, referring to the fundamentalist militant movement in Afghanistan. She is charged under Article 152 which prohibits "indecent" clothing.

Activists say the vaguely worded law leaves women subject to police harassment and disproportionately targets the poor in an effort to maintain "public order". "This public order law changed Sudanese women from victims to criminals," says Hamed, a divorced computer engineer who runs her own company.

"This law is targeting the dignity of Sudanese people." Hamed said she was visiting a government office in Jebel Aulia, just outside Khartoum, on August 27 when a policeman aggressively told her to cover her head.

"He said, You are not Sudanese. What is your religion? " "I m Sudanese. I m Muslim, and I m not going to cover my head," Hamed replied.

Her dark hair, tinged golden, is braided tight against her scalp with a flare of curls at the back. Hamed said she was detained for a few hours, charged, and then bailed. At her first court appearance on September 1, when the case was delayed until later this month, about 100 women and some men gathered to support her.

Many of the protesting women had their heads uncovered, as did Hamed who says she has "never, ever" worn a hijab. "There are many (who) wear it because they are afraid, not because they want to wear it," she said, speaking at her family s home and dressed in blue jeans which could get her into trouble if she went outside.

Hamed was charged in 2002 for wearing trousers but a lawyer helped her get off with only a fine, rather than a flogging. Most women do not have the benefit of legal assistance and are too ashamed to tell their families about their arrest under the morality law, leaving them at the mercy of the court and vulnerable to sexual harassment by police, she says.

"Daily, Sudanese women are flogged in the court under this law." In 2009, the case of journalist Lubna Ahmed al-Hussein led to a global outcry and spotlighted women s rights in Sudan.

Hussein was fined for wearing slacks in public but she refused to pay. She spent one day behind bars until the Sudanese Journalists Union paid the fine on her behalf.

Others rounded up with her in a restaurant were flogged. "You are a slut. You want guys to sleep with you. That s why you are wearing like this," another woman, who has been detained twice in Khartoum, remembers police telling her.

"This was very humiliating," said the woman, a professional worker who asked to be identified only as Rania.


http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Crime/191375-Sudan-woman-offers-herself-for-flogging-


 
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TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What nonsense is this....We Muslims have so many macro level problems and people are doing things like this to malign Islam.

I am not sure what is wrong with us as Muslims....
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is what happens when you let Religion and Politics ride in the same car. Separate religion from the state and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about such useless and embarrassing things.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Politics in Islam can not be separated whatsoever. If this women wants to reveal her hair then let her do that. As far as I know it should not even be an issue.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Politics in Islam can not be separated whatsoever. If this women wants to reveal her hair then let her do that. As far as I know it should not even be an issue.
Islam is thriving perfectly fine in Secular countries like Turkey, Bangladesh and even in the west. The separation of State from Islam has to happen and it will happen. It is inevitable. It is the only logical step forward. Not because it's right or wrong, but for the simple fact that Islam is not compatible anymore with the statecraft of the 21st century. Too many people on this planet. More people need something far more refined to control them than a single religion.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Islam is thriving perfectly fine in Secular countries like Turkey, Bangladesh and even in the west. The separation of State from Islam has to happen and it will happen. It is inevitable. It is the only logical step forward. Not because it's right or wrong, but for the simple fact that Islam is not compatible anymore with the statecraft of the 21st century. Too many people on this planet. More people need something far more refined to control them than a single religion.

No Islam is not thriving well in Turkey or dirt poor Bangladesh where as the west is not Islamic as far as I know(bigsmile)! Separation of state from faith will not happen rather both will go hand in hand in future because Allah says so. Islam was completed during the time of pbuh and can't be changed now just like the Qur'an can not be altered, there is no exception to this rule whatsoever. The laws of Islam today are identical to what they were in ancient times, it's Muslim people that need to change. Those who need something more refined, secular or politically correct are welcome to become Christians or Buddhists as far as I am concerned.

Muslim's living in non-Muslim nations are commanded to follow the law of that land. I have no problem with this.
 
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lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Islam was completed during the time of pbuh and can't be changed now just like the Qur'an can not be altered, there is no exception to this rule whatsoever.
The fundamental Law of the Universe IS Change. Islam is no exception. You see all these sects in Islam sprouting around? That's change. You see that there is no Khilafat anymore? That's change. You see how that Shariah never works anymore anywhere in the world? That's change. You see that we are now 7 Billion people on this planet? That's change. Change is the ONLY constant in this universe. That and Light speed. ;) By their very definition religion is an evolving beast. Those that refuse to change and adapt have perished. Another fundamental Law of the universe. So yeah you can WISH for no change but the Universal truth says otherwise.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The fundamental Law of the Universe IS Change. Islam is no exception. You see all these sects in Islam sprouting around? That's change. You see that there is no Khilafat anymore? That's change. You see how that Shariah never works anymore anywhere in the world? That's change. You see that we are now 7 Billion people on this planet? That's change. Change is the ONLY constant in this universe. That and Light speed. ;) By their very definition religion is an evolving beast. Those that refuse to change and adapt have perished. Another fundamental Law of the universe. So yeah you can WISH for no change but the Universal truth says otherwise.

In case it missed you the law of the universe is also made by Allah! These sects are man made and have been around since time began, Islam is based on Quranic teachings and nothing else.

People coming and going has nothing to do with Islam being separated from state! Change is inevitable which you seem to be confusing with the subject at hand:lol::lol: The only fact for a Muslim is that the Qur'an will not change for anyone, it's rules and laws are set in stone so if people like you have a problem than that's too bad!

I am sure you also look upon pornography as being positive change or do you fail to understand that certain things are bound to evolve?? Ageing is also evolution, Islam does not deny change providing it's positive and within the value system it teaches.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In case it missed you the law of the universe is also made by Allah! These sects are man made and have been around since time began, Islam is based on Quranic teachings and nothing else.

People coming and going has nothing to do with Islam being separated from state! Change is inevitable which you seem to be confusing with the subject at hand:lol::lol: The only fact for a Muslim is that the Qur'an will not change for anyone, it's rules and laws are set in stone so if people like you have a problem than that's too bad!

I am sure you also look upon pornography as being positive change or do you fail to understand that certain things are bound to evolve?? Ageing is also evolution, Islam does not deny change providing it's positive and within the value system it teaches.
Stone's also turn and break in this universe. Already you have groups like the Ahmaddiyahs who take a different meaning of the Quran. The net result is that their Quran is "different" because the meanings for them is different. That is Change without changing the text. ;) Religion are nothing but faith based articles. A method of control. An industry. A weapon.

You already function Without a Khalifah or Khilafat. That IS change right there. You subscribe to nationalism, that is change right there. Change is coming. In this Universe everything goes from Ordered to Disorder unless energy is expended to maintain the order.

You yourself can tell us how different are we from the first generation of Muslims? Why is there this difference?
 

Zarii

Senator (1k+ posts)
The fundamental Law of the Universe IS Change. Islam is no exception. You see all these sects in Islam sprouting around? That's change. You see that there is no Khilafat anymore? That's change. You see how that Shariah never works anymore anywhere in the world? That's change. You see that we are now 7 Billion people on this planet? That's change. Change is the ONLY constant in this universe. That and Light speed. ;) By their very definition religion is an evolving beast. Those that refuse to change and adapt have perished. Another fundamental Law of the universe. So yeah you can WISH for no change but the Universal truth says otherwise.


I want to thank you again. what a great comment! you explained it so well. this is what we all need to understand. If we dont evolve , we die!
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is what happens when you let Religion and Politics ride in the same car. Separate religion from the state and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about such useless and embarrassing things.

یعنی کھلا کھاؤ ننگا نہاؤ؟؟
بے شرم ہوجاؤ بےغیرت ہوجاؤ...تاکے کچھ محسوس ہی نا هو

مشورہ دینے والے کو اسکی ابتدا گھر سے شروع کرنی چاہیے

سوال یہ ہے که حکومت ٹیکس لگاتی ہے کس اتھارٹی کے تحت؟؟
کیا کوئی شخص ٹیکس دینے سے انکار کر سکتا ہے؟؟
جب حکومت کے پاس مالی معاملات کے سدھار کا اور نفاذ کا اختیار ہے تو اخلاقی اور مذہبی معاملات کے سدھار کے لئے قوانین پر عمل کرنے میں کیا تکلیف ہے؟

یہ صرف اور صرف دلوں کی کجی اور اسلام سے نفرت ہے اور کچھ نہیں
طالبان اور القاعدہ کو تو لوگوں نے بہانہ بنایا ہوا ہے دین سے فرار کا
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Stone's also turn and break in this universe. Already you have groups like the Ahmaddiyahs who take a different meaning of the Quran. The net result is that their Quran is "different" because the meanings for them is different. That is Change without changing the text. ;) Religion are nothing but faith based articles. A method of control. An industry. A weapon.

You already function Without a Khalifah or Khilafat. That IS change right there. You subscribe to nationalism, that is change right there. Change is coming. In this Universe everything goes from Ordered to Disorder unless energy is expended to maintain the order.

You yourself can tell us how different are we from the first generation of Muslims? Why is there this difference?

ہمہ وقت ہونے والی تبدیلیوں کے بھاؤ میں بہہ جانا سراسر گھاٹے کا سودا ہے

اس کائنات کا خالق اللہ ہے
جو اول بھی ہے اور آخر بھی
اس لئے
کوئی تبدیلی نہیں
سورج اپنی تخلیق سے لے کر آج تک مشرق سے نکلتا ہے اور مغرب میں غروب ہوتا ہے اس لئے
کوئی تبدیلی نہیں
ہر انسان اور مخلوق پیدا ہوتی ہے اور پھر مر جاتی ہے اس میں
کوئی تبدیلی نہیں
اس کائنات میں چاند سورج ستارے ہزاروں اور لاکھوں سال سے ایک ہی نظام کے تابع چل رہے ہیں اس میں
کوئی تبدیلی نہیں

تبدیلی انسان کے حالات، اعتقادات اور اعمال میں آتی ہے
جس کا ذمہ دار انسان خود ہے
اور اسی بنا پر اللہ کے عذاب آتے ہیں...یا خیر و برکتیں

ہدایت کا اور روشنی کا منمبع موجود ہے ..قرآن کی صورت میں
جس میں کوئی تبدیلی نہیں

اس ذات کی طرف سے جس نے اپنے پیغمبروں کو مبعوث فرمایا تاکہ قومیں فلاح پا سکیں
قرآن چودہ سو سال سے موجود ہے جس میں
کوئی تبدیلی نہیں ہوئی

قرآن کو نا قابل تبدیل بنا کر اللہ نے انسانوں پر حجت تمام کردی
کے چاہئیں تو نا تبدیل ہونے والی کتاب کی اتباع کر کے فلاح پا لیں
یا شیطان کی چالوں کا شکار هو کر ہمہ وقت تبدیل ہوتے رہیں اور ناکام ہوجائیں
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Takleef yeh hain bhai ke Mahzhabi muamalaat Mahzhabi hain. They cater to One Mahzhab. This is a constrain on people who are not from that Mahzhab OR to those who don't follow this Mahzhab in this particular interpretation. There are many muslims who don't wear head scarfs. You cannot Force them what their deen entails. Deen is just deen. Between you and your God. The state should not be your Amma and tell you what is what when it comes to your deen.

This is abuse of power by encroaching on other people's deen.


یعنی کھلا کھاؤ ننگا نہاؤ؟؟
بے شرم ہوجاؤ بےغیرت ہوجاؤ...تاکے کچھ محسوس ہی نا هو

مشورہ دینے والے کو اسکی ابتدا گھر سے شروع کرنی چاہیے

سوال یہ ہے که حکومت ٹیکس لگاتی ہے کس اتھارٹی کے تحت؟؟
کیا کوئی شخص ٹیکس دینے سے انکار کر سکتا ہے؟؟
جب حکومت کے پاس مالی معاملات کے سدھار کا اور نفاذ کا اختیار ہے تو اخلاقی اور مذہبی معاملات کے سدھار کے لئے قوانین پر عمل کرنے میں کیا تکلیف ہے؟

یہ صرف اور صرف دلوں کی کجی اور اسلام سے نفرت ہے اور کچھ نہیں
طالبان اور القاعدہ کو تو لوگوں نے بہانہ بنایا ہوا ہے دین سے فرار کا
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Takleef yeh hain bhai ke Mahzhabi muamalaat Mahzhabi hain. They cater to One Mahzhab. This is a constrain on people who are not from that Mahzhab OR to those who don't follow this Mahzhab in this particular interpretation. There are many muslims who don't wear head scarfs. You cannot Force them what their deen entails. Deen is just deen. Between you and your God. The state should not be your Amma and tell you what is what when it comes to your deen.

This is abuse of power by encroaching on other people's deen.

حکومتی اختیارات کی تفصیل کون دیگا؟
حکومت کن کن معاملات میں مداخلت کرسکتی ہے؟؟
یہ ہمیں کون بتائیگا؟؟
مغرب؟ اوباما؟؟ منموہن سنگھ؟ ڈارون؟ یا پیوٹن؟

اور انفرادی حیثیت میں بھی اسکا تعین کون کریگا؟؟
ماں کے پاس اور باپ کے پاس کیا یہ اختیار ہے که اپنی بیٹی یا بہن کو بکنی پہن کر روڈ پر گھومنے سے منع کرسکیں؟؟
یا انکی بیٹی کا اپنا مذہبی معاملہ ہے؟؟
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قرآن کو نا قابل تبدیل بنا کر اللہ نے انسانوں پر حجت تمام کردی کے چاہئیں تو نا تبدیل ہونے والی کتاب کی اتباع کر کے فلاح پا لیں
یا شیطان کی چالوں کا شکار هو کر ہمہ وقت تبدیل ہوتے رہیں اور ناکام ہوجائیں

Quran has already changed. Do you think there was a written Quran in the time of the Prophet(saw)? Do you think that was the only Quran in circulation at the time of the first Khalifahs? Do you think this is the right order of the Surahs? Nobody knows. It is just agreed upon. The Quran is a book of faith. You believe it if you have faith in it. You won't believe it if you don't. You think Gabiel came down from the heavens and handed the Prophet(saw) a book? If that were the case then there was no argument at all. There are grey areas in Islam which nobody has the right answers to. It is put under the carpet called "Yakeen" and never looked at again.

Infact you could say the Quran in it's current form is not it's original form. The current Quran you and I read was not even seen by the Prophet(saw). This is change again. You cannot escape change in the universe. Every Religion on this planet has to go through this change. Islam has been no exception to this.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Quran has already changed. Do you think there was a written Quran in the time of the Prophet(saw)? Do you think that was the only Quran in circulation at the time of the first Khalifahs? Do you think this is the right order of the Surahs? Nobody knows. It is just agreed upon. The Quran is a book of faith. You believe it if you have faith in it. You won't believe it if you don't. You think Gabiel came down from the heavens and handed the Prophet(saw) a book? If that were the case then there was no argument at all. There are grey areas in Islam which nobody has the right answers to. It is put under the carpet called "Yakeen" and never looked at again.

Infact you could say the Quran in it's current form is not it's original form. The current Quran you and I read was not even seen by the Prophet(saw). This is change again. You cannot escape change in the universe. Every Religion on this planet has to go through this change. Islam has been no exception to this.

جی ہاں قرآن لکھا ہوا بھی تھا
اور ایک ہی قرآن گردش میں تھا
سورتوں کی جو ترتیب ہے یہ ترتیب بھی رسول اللہ کی دی ہوئی ہے
جو قرآن ہم پڑھتے ہیں اور جو یاد کرتے ہیں وہی ہے جو رسول اللہ نے پڑھا اور آپ کے اصحاب کے دور میں پڑھا اور یاد کیا گیا

یہ چیلنج چودہ سو سالوں سے موجود ہے ... ہمت ہے تو غلط ثابت کرو

شکوک و شبھات دلیلیں نہیں ہوا کرتیں
نفسیاتی مریضوں کو شک کرنے کی عادت ہوتی ہے
مگر انکا شک دلیل نہیں ہوتا
تم بات دلائل سے نہیں...شکوک و شبھات اٹھا کر کر رہے هو
جس کی کوئی اہمیت نہیں
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think it is common sense where a Government can interfere in your personal life and where it cannot. I refuse to allow Government to tell me who my God is and what my religion is supposed to be. That has nothing to do with the business of the state. Jinnah sahab ne yehi kaha tha. And it makes sense even if he didn't say it. This is not Roman times where the Empire can tell you what you can be and what you cannot be when it comes to religion. Deen is between you and your God.

Dekho mere bhai. Yahan pe khatoon is not running around in a Bikini. She is just not covering her hair. That's it. Sab se pehle aapki comparison hi itni off hai ke usko seriously kaun le ga? You cannot run around naked in the streets even in other places of the world. But in this case she is not doing that. And since I am fair I can say that Islam also does not prescribe flogging for a woman who does not conform to covering her hair in public. However, yeh deen ko jab aap state ke saath milatay hain to yeh abuses ko mauka mil jata hai anay ka. Deen is after all deen. It can be interpreted a million ways. You give this interpretation power to the government phir aap unhi ke deeni interpretation ke reham-o-karam pe hain. Jaise yeh khatoon hai aaj.

Deen ko to aap kuch ker nahi saktay. Lekin aap iska ikhitiyaar government se cheen saktay hain.


حکومتی اختیارات کی تفصیل کون دیگا؟
حکومت کن کن معاملات میں مداخلت کرسکتی ہے؟؟
یہ ہمیں کون بتائیگا؟؟
مغرب؟ اوباما؟؟ منموہن سنگھ؟ ڈارون؟ یا پیوٹن؟

اور انفرادی حیثیت میں بھی اسکا تعین کون کریگا؟؟
ماں کے پاس اور باپ کے پاس کیا یہ اختیار ہے که اپنی بیٹی یا بہن کو بکنی پہن کر روڈ پر گھومنے سے منع کرسکیں؟؟
یا انکی بیٹی کا اپنا مذہبی معاملہ ہے؟؟
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Janaab aap baat yakeen ki ker rahay hain. Uski bhi koi asal ehmiyaat nahi hoti. Farak sirf yeh hai, I admit ke I have doubts because the book of the Quran that you read today never graced the Prophet's(saw) eyes. He did not even put his seal of approval on it, because he was not alive at the time. You are reading the first Khalifah's Quran compilation + Recompilation in Uthman(ra) era. It's all documented in Islamic history itself ke kis tarhan mushkil se Quran ko compile kiya gaya. Khud hi aap parh lain apni hi history. Aapko shayad wohi shak paida ho jaye jo mujhe howa. Par shayad aapka Imaan mujhse ziyada hai. Aapko yakeen Khali rasool(saw) pe hi nahi balkay Khalifahs pe hi hoga, sahabas par bhi ho ga.

Baat phir waheen aa jati hai. Imaan ki. Kitne pe aap Imaan lain ge? Kitno ka aap yakeen kerain ge? Aap keh sakte hain aap Khuda pe hi sab se pehle Yakeen kerte hain. Lekin yeh baat bhi aapko kaheen Quran mein hi bataee gaee hai.

جی ہاں قرآن لکھا ہوا بھی تھا
اور ایک ہی قرآن گردش میں تھا
سورتوں کی جو ترتیب ہے یہ ترتیب بھی رسول اللہ کی دی ہوئی ہے
جو قرآن ہم پڑھتے ہیں اور جو یاد کرتے ہیں وہی ہے جو رسول اللہ نے پڑھا اور آپ کے اصحاب کے دور میں پڑھا اور یاد کیا گیا

یہ چیلنج چودہ سو سالوں سے موجود ہے ... ہمت ہے تو غلط ثابت کرو

شکوک و شبھات دلیلیں نہیں ہوا کرتیں
نفسیاتی مریضوں کو شک کرنے کی عادت ہوتی ہے
مگر انکا شک دلیل نہیں ہوتا
تم بات دلائل سے نہیں...شکوک و شبھات اٹھا کر کر رہے هو
جس کی کوئی اہمیت نہیں