"Stable Pakistan not in India's interest" - Bharat Verma

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Stable Pakistan not in India's interest

Indians pose the biggest threat to the union of India. The reason is simple. An average Indian does not constitute a nation but is merely an individual. His personal well-being overrides all other considerations including the national interests.
Therefore, many have begun to propagate parting of Kashmir in their write-ups, since it does not belong individually to them. However, imagine the hue and cry if their personal property and family is held hostage by the terrorists. They will sing a different tune!
Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in Indias interest. This is a false proposition. The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.
The blame lies with New Delhi. For the past sixty years, instead of consolidating the Union, leaders encouraged divisiveness on the basis of religion and caste for sheer vote bank politics. Instead of unifying its citizenry with good governance and increasing their stakes through prosperity, so that they may serve the cause of the nation with honor, it has treated its citizens with unprecedented shabbiness. The result is groups of citizens have risen against the state, mostly for lack of economic progress and denial of justice. Such disgruntled groups are being taken advantage of by the external forces inimical to India.
There can never be unity in diversity. Unity requires a fair amount of uniformity in laws throughout the Union.
That New Delhi is its own enemy became obvious, when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic State on its borders. This nation-state contradicts every democratic and multi-cultural values dear to India.
Therefore, if New Delhi has not slept a wink since the creation of Pakistan, it has no one except itself to blame!
Islamabad, besides the wars it imposed on New Delhi, extended its so-called Islamic purity to the Kashmir Valley by instigating the locals to carry out ethnic cleansing of the minority communities.
The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion.
Hence, first we created a state with inbuilt characteristic of fundamentalism, and extreme philosophy contrary to our professed beliefs; then the monster in it started ethnic cleansing in the Valley; and engineered demographic changes through Bangladesh in West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic oil-rich countries pitched in with the petro-dollars in support. All in the cause of the illusion called Ummah and establishing the Caliphate!
The Indian leadership for its personal vote-bank gains helped these inimical forces by bringing the IMDT in Assam. Later, it was slammed as illegal by the Supreme Court. Too late the damage was done, as the Unions overburdened security forces, grapple with 15 million illegal Bangladesh infiltrators creating mayhem in the society.
Islamabad, Dhaka, and now Kathmandu, spurred on by Beijing, have united with the singular agenda to unhook the Valley and the Northeast from the Union. In addition, they are instigating the Maoists who control almost forty percent of the Unions territory, to set up a parallel government, and ultimately, like the Maoists in Nepal, win the elections in pockets of their influence, and impose a regressive authoritarian governments in tune with their own regime. Simple. Brilliant. And yet, New Delhi, instead of consolidating and unifying the Union, continues to divide its citizenry in religious or caste denominations.
In the past sixty years, New Delhis muddle-headed policies encouraged separatism.
With Chinas one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt.
Instead of ensuring diffusion of secular pan-Indian culture, and integration of the society by encouraging Indians from all over to buy and develop land and industry in the Valley and the Northeast, it imposed restrictions on such settlements. Meanwhile, Pakistan and Bangladesh exported their fundamentalist populations to change the demographic hues in their interest. The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Union.
The trend needs to be reversed forcibly by integrating the Valley firmly into the Indian mainstream by creating a secular mix of population through industrialisation.
Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in Indias interest. This is a false proposition.
The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.
Pakistans breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.
It is factually correct that Islamabad has enjoyed brief periods of stability in the span of sixty years of its existence. However, during these phases of stability, it continued to export terrorism, fake currency, narcotics, and indulged in attempts to change demographics on our borders, cultivated sleeper cells and armed groups inside our territory to create an uprising at an appropriate time. Also, it aligned with Beijing and other powers, in a mutually beneficial scheme, to tie-down and ultimately cause a territorial split of the Union.
With Pakistan on the brink of collapse due to massive internal as well as international contradictions, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist.
Multiple benefits will accrue to the Union of India on such demise.
If ever the national interests are defined with clarity and prioritised, the foremost threat to the Union (and for centuries before) materialised on the western periphery, continuously. To defend this key threat to the Union, New Delhi should extend its influence through export of both, soft and hard power towards Central Asia from where invasions have been mounted over centuries. Cessation of Pakistan as a state facilitates furtherance of this pivotal national objective.
The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion. In either case Baluchistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. In this, there is synergy between the political objectives of the Americans and the Indians. Our existing goodwill in Baluchistan requires intelligent leveraging.
Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.
Pakistans breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.
With Chinas one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt. Beijing continues to pose primary threat to New Delhi. Even as we continue to engage with it as constructively as possible, we must strive to remove the proxy. At the same time, it is prudent to extend moral support to the people of Tibet to sink Chinese expansionism in the morass of insurgency.
For a change, let us do to them what they do to us!
The chances of Central Asia getting infected with the Jihadi fervour will recede. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. Indias access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. With disintegration of ISIs inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease. Within the Union social harmony will improve enormously. Export of Islamic fundamentalism, with its 360-degree sweep from Islamabad, will vanish. Even a country like Thailand will heave a sigh of relief!
With disintegration of ISIs inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease.
Above all, the gathering storm of threat from a united group of authoritarian regimes along our 14,000 km borders, orchestrated and synchronised by Pakistan will dissolve.
At the height of the recent disturbances in the Valley, when a general asked me for a suggestion to resolve the issue, I said: Remove Pakistan. The threat will disappear permanently. Today the collapse of Pakistan as a state is almost certain. All the Kings men cannot save it from itself.
Looking ahead, New Delhi should formulate an appropriate strategy for post-Pakistan scenario to secure Indias interests in Central Asia.

It is intriguing, therefore, to hear New Delhi mouthing the falsehood that stable Pakistan is in Indias interest. Perpetuation of such illogic for vote-bank politics is harming consolidation and integration of the Union. Short-sighted politicians as usual are overlooking the national interest for the short-term personal gains of few votes!

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ashi0077

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
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Indians pose the biggest threat to the union of India. The reason is simple. An average Indian does not constitute a nation but is merely an individual. His personal well-being overrides all other considerations including the national interests.
Therefore, many have begun to propagate parting of Kashmir in their write-ups, since it does not belong individually to them. However, imagine the hue and cry if their personal property and family is held hostage by the terrorists. They will sing a different tune!

The blame lies with New Delhi. For the past sixty years, instead of consolidating the Union, leaders encouraged divisiveness on the basis of religion and caste for sheer vote bank politics. Instead of unifying its citizenry with good governance and increasing their stakes through prosperity, so that they may serve the cause of the nation with honor, it has treated its citizens with unprecedented shabbiness. The result is groups of citizens have risen against the state, mostly for lack of economic progress and denial of justice. Such disgruntled groups are being taken advantage of by the external forces inimical to India.There can never be unity in diversity. Unity requires a fair amount of uniformity in laws throughout the Union.That New Delhi is its own enemy became obvious, when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic State on its borders. This nation-state contradicts every democratic and multi-cultural values dear to India.Therefore, if New Delhi has not slept a wink since the creation of Pakistan, it has no one except itself to blame!

Islamabad, besides the wars it imposed on New Delhi, extended its so-called Islamic purity to the Kashmir Valley by instigating the locals to carry out ethnic cleansing of the minority communities.

Hence, first we created a state with inbuilt characteristic of fundamentalism, and extreme philosophy contrary to our professed beliefs; then the monster in it started ethnic cleansing in the Valley; and engineered demographic changes through Bangladesh in West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic oil-rich countries pitched in with the petro-dollars in support. All in the cause of the illusion called Ummah and establishing the Caliphate!The Indian leadership for its personal vote-bank gains helped these inimical forces by bringing the IMDT in Assam. Later, it was slammed as illegal by the Supreme Court. Too late – the damage was done, as the Union’s overburdened security forces, grapple with 15 million illegal Bangladesh infiltrators creating mayhem in the society.Islamabad, Dhaka, and now Kathmandu, spurred on by Beijing, have united with the singular agenda to unhook the Valley and the Northeast from the Union. In addition, they are instigating the Maoists who control almost forty percent of the Union’s territory, to set up a parallel government, and ultimately, like the Maoists in Nepal, win the elections in pockets of their influence, and impose a regressive authoritarian governments in tune with their own regime. Simple. Brilliant. And yet, New Delhi, instead of consolidating and unifying the Union, continues to divide its citizenry in religious or caste denominations.

In the past sixty years, New Delhi’s muddle-headed policies encouraged separatism.

Instead of ensuring diffusion of secular pan-Indian culture, and integration of the society by encouraging Indians from all over to buy and develop land and industry in the Valley and the Northeast, it imposed restrictions on such settlements. Meanwhile, Pakistan and Bangladesh exported their fundamentalist populations to change the demographic hues in their interest. The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Union.The trend needs to be reversed forcibly by integrating the Valley firmly into the Indian mainstream by creating a secular mix of population through industrialisation.Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. This is a false proposition.The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.

It is factually correct that Islamabad has enjoyed brief periods of stability in the span of sixty years of its existence. However, during these phases of stability, it continued to export terrorism, fake currency, narcotics, and indulged in attempts to change demographics on our borders, cultivated sleeper cells and armed groups inside our territory to create an uprising at an appropriate time. Also, it aligned with Beijing and other powers, in a mutually beneficial scheme, to tie-down and ultimately cause a territorial split of the Union.With Pakistan on the brink of collapse due to massive internal as well as international contradictions, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist.Multiple benefits will accrue to the Union of India on such demise.If ever the national interests are defined with clarity and prioritised, the foremost threat to the Union (and for centuries before) materialised on the western periphery, continuously. To defend this key threat to the Union, New Delhi should extend its influence through export of both, soft and hard power towards Central Asia from where invasions have been mounted over centuries. Cessation of Pakistan as a state facilitates furtherance of this pivotal national objective.The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion. In either case Baluchistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. In this, there is synergy between the political objectives of the Americans and the Indians. Our existing goodwill in Baluchistan requires intelligent leveraging.

Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.Pakistan’s breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.With China’s one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt. Beijing continues to pose primary threat to New Delhi. Even as we continue to engage with it as constructively as possible, we must strive to remove the proxy. At the same time, it is prudent to extend moral support to the people of Tibet to sink Chinese expansionism in the morass of insurgency.For a change, let us do to them what they do to us!The chances of Central Asia getting infected with the Jihadi fervour will recede. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. With disintegration of ISI’s inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease. Within the Union social harmony will improve enormously. Export of Islamic fundamentalism, with its 360-degree sweep from Islamabad, will vanish. Even a country like Thailand will heave a sigh of relief!

Above all, the gathering storm of threat from a united group of authoritarian regimes along our 14,000 km borders, orchestrated and synchronised by Pakistan will dissolve.At the height of the recent disturbances in the Valley, when a general asked me for a suggestion to resolve the issue, I said: “Remove Pakistan. The threat will disappear permanently.” Today the collapse of Pakistan as a state is almost certain. All the King’s men cannot save it from itself.Looking ahead, New Delhi should formulate an appropriate strategy for ‘post-Pakistan scenario’ to secure India’s interests in Central Asia.It is intriguing, therefore, to hear New Delhi mouthing the falsehood that stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. Perpetuation of such illogic for vote-bank politics is harming consolidation and integration of the Union. Short-sighted politicians as usual are overlooking the national interest for the short-term personal gains of few votes!


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BHARAT

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Stable Pakistan not in India's interest

its true that stable pakistan is not in indian interst but the question is how much??look at the present conditions of both countries now,they are completely different now and its due to the unstability of pakistan.so its in indian interst to destablize pakistan but to certain extent.we cant afford migration from neighboring countries any more.
 

BHARAT

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: India most favourite nation!!!!!!!!!! Why??

it was necessary to get access to pakistani market to sell goods,anyway happy that we managed to get this.:D
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If india keeps enemity with pakistan sooner or later india will be looser?if india behaves like a big country give some concessions to pakistan & help pakistan to secure peace in the region they are going to win the mind & hearts of more than 50 crore muslims of subcontinent,thats the optimal way for india to come up with.
 

BHARAT

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
If india keeps enemity with pakistan sooner or later india will be looser?if india behaves like a big country give some concessions to pakistan & help pakistan to secure peace in the region they are going to win the mind & hearts of more than 50 crore muslims of subcontinent,thats the optimal way for india to come up with.

you think u ppl are saint??no.....
check your self first,why india have this attitude wrt pakistan??
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
you think u ppl are saint??no.....
check your self first,why india have this attitude wrt pakistan??
neither indians nor pakistani,s want conflict with one another more than 98% want peace, only 2% may be peace jeopordising force,every one want to travel one another country ,do trade,tourism & lot we can do so best way is to forget all past bad things ,build a better subcontinent which can provide peace & prosperity to poor masses,its time to capture sentiments of 98% population not 2% rubbish people.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Right on spot !
Excellent analysis.A lesson to all those who are harping " Aman Ki Aasha " tune and also those who criticise our defence forces.We have a cunning animal next door who is always on the look out to eliminate you.We should always be on gaurd and do whatever it takes to keep our defences in top notch condition.I am in favour of cordial relations with India but don't forget that can only happen,if ever,from a position of strength.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If india keeps enemity with pakistan sooner or later india will be looser?if india behaves like a big country give some concessions to pakistan & help pakistan to secure peace in the region they are going to win the mind & hearts of more than 50 crore muslims of subcontinent,thats the optimal way for india to come up with.

I dont think that dream will ever come true.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Stable Pakistan not in India's interest

its true that stable pakistan is not in indian interst but the question is how much??look at the present conditions of both countries now,they are completely different now and its due to the unstability of pakistan.so its in indian interst to destablize pakistan but to certain extent.we cant afford migration from neighboring countries any more.

"its true that stable pakistan is not in indian interst"

Everybody please note this also.That really says it all.
 

pakhtoon pardesi

MPA (400+ posts)
The so-called defense analyst Bharat Verma is a typical Hindu mentality and he has lots of dreams. I would say that he is Zaid Hamid of India. Since he started his stupid journalism, he is breaking Pakistan and making India stable and Indian government is trying to do the same thing, but it is next to impossible to break the current Pakistan(Bangladesh was a different story). This stupid Bharat Verma does not deserve to be discussed at this forum. We should discuss some constructive topics, not the garbage spread by Bharat Verma.
 

mrcritic

Minister (2k+ posts)
The so-called defense analyst Bharat Verma is a typical Hindu mentality and he has lots of dreams. I would say that he is Zaid Hamid of India. Since he started his stupid journalism, he is breaking Pakistan and making India stable and Indian government is trying to do the same thing, but it is next to impossible to break the current Pakistan(Bangladesh was a different story). This stupid Bharat Verma does not deserve to be discussed at this forum. We should discuss some constructive topics, not the garbage spread by Bharat Verma.

Zaid Hamid was RIGHT when he had that infamous heated discussion with Bharat Verma a couple of years ago! People dismissing Zaid Hamid, should understand the indian mentality is majority of Bharat Verma type.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A message is left for Mr. Bharat Sharma on the website: I hope he would respond.

Mr. Bharat Verma, are you sure you were not high on something when you wrote this article?Have you ever taken a sample poll of Pakistani people before drawing the map so conveniently according to your wishful thinking?I think you are grossly mistaken from a pocket of insurgency in Baluchistan, fuelled mainly by the Indians with active participation of UK and USA. Everyone knows Afghanistan and traitor Karzai was host to terrorist Bramdad for years before he is sent to Switzerland. Using your logic, we are also entitled to conclude that India would be divided in to pieces. You yourself mentioned insurgencies in 40% of India. I can assure you, as soon as Indian creates problems all Pakistanis would be one, bar few traitors bought and trained by the Indians/Afghans/CIA etc. You should also remember the problems in KPK are not because of their dislike to Pakistan but because of Government co-operation with NATO/USA.I think you should be more concerned with India and leave Pakistan to Pakistanis, we are absolutely fine, and nothing could happen to our country. But mark my words, India would be divided in to what it really was smaller Princely states. You should be thankful to the British who give you a country, which never really exited before. Not only a country, but they used a racial slur against you based on your colour they called you Indians similarly they called the natives in South America Indians. You are using a racial slur as pride. You should never forget India is an artificial country created by now defunct colonialisms; it would die like the master which created it.
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