please share some thoughtful positive result from that incident for our future decision making strategy against terrorism
share a lesson from Aug,15 Islamabad incident
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ڈرامہ ٢٠١٣
Rizwan2009
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بے وقوف قوم اور مکار عيار ميڈيا و حکمران
Jab awam ko Janwaron ki tarah treat kia jayga tu aisay hi events honge jo kal Islamabad men hoa us shakhs ki baten sahi thin magar tareeqa ghalat tha humari society men humanity naam ki koe cheez nahi he puray mulk men Musharraf ki behisy aur begharton wali policy wesi hi chal rahi he koe awam ko poochne wala nahi loot khasoot maar dhaar Karachi men MQM ke ghundon ka raaj Quetta men dehshat gardi bomb blast aur government ki ignorance policy is puri awam ko psycho patient banadia he Sikandar ko jo samajh aya usne individual level per kia ye government aur media ki anti islamic policy ka reaction tha believe me Pakistan men koe life nahi life tu log yahan west men guzar rahay hen jahan sabke rights ka khayal rakha jaata he hum yahan masjidon men sukoon se jatay hen aur jaga jaga masjid bani hoe hen khoon kholta he Pakistan ke halat dekh kar hum Pakistan ko defend kar kar ke thak gai hen jiski sabse zyadah zimmedar humari Army, Politicians aur Media hen aur agar coverage milti he tu Zaid Hamid jeson ko jo sabko galyan dete hen aur foj ko ram raam humara mulk dhokay aur jhoot per chal raha he humen mursi jese leader ki zarurat he
ammadk
Minister (2k+ posts)
Sikander reminded me of something that happened in the past
well this pic is just for fun..(bigsmile)
but serious point that i want to raise yesterday Sikander named person,i don't know what his reasons were but what our so called very responsible media told he said that he wanted Islamic System(Shariat) to be implemented in Pakistan because the society and system has become so much corrupt that its falling apart then i herd him say Pak army and ISI have gone into wrong hands..Now i come to my point few years back the students and mumtahen of infamous Lal Masjid also demanded the implementation of shariat and pin pointed the bad practices that were going on inthe ISLAMABAD i.e anty shamin,massage parlor etc..at that time they also took action with weapons harassed the community but not like Sikander did(Qadri Style i.e take strong action)..but at that time Lal Masjid action was taken immediately when it was proved that they want some hardcore business..at that time our CJ was no where near to take suo mottos,security forces were quick to neutralize the threat..thats a different debate how the dealt with them....but after the op everyone was sad for what happened with the students and deaths...:(
but yesterday police took their time gave Sikander alot of time to come out of this situation and everyone go home happy..police was also reluctant to shoot him down. why?? scared of CJ's suo motto,media bashing,taunts form people..hayy u killed a person u could've done better than that..but they didn't take action and now today CJ takes suo motto, why u didn't take action...my point is why does nobody encourages police,appreciates them,train them so that they can take action like this...no-doubt police has very much to improve in their public relations but,why does this filth happen a person has come on the road with weapon and MNAs are coming to negotiate with him,interior minister is giving police orders,media is giving min to min coverage,Zamurd Khan has become a hero..for god sake these things happen in all the world it for once in 66 years this has happened here whats the big deal........
Well if i end my opinion in a harsh way i would say"yesterday was what happened was Lal masjid kind of drop scene,a depressed man came out to enforce Shariat rather in an awkward way"......May the dead of Lal Masjid op rest in peace
well this pic is just for fun..(bigsmile)
but serious point that i want to raise yesterday Sikander named person,i don't know what his reasons were but what our so called very responsible media told he said that he wanted Islamic System(Shariat) to be implemented in Pakistan because the society and system has become so much corrupt that its falling apart then i herd him say Pak army and ISI have gone into wrong hands..Now i come to my point few years back the students and mumtahen of infamous Lal Masjid also demanded the implementation of shariat and pin pointed the bad practices that were going on inthe ISLAMABAD i.e anty shamin,massage parlor etc..at that time they also took action with weapons harassed the community but not like Sikander did(Qadri Style i.e take strong action)..but at that time Lal Masjid action was taken immediately when it was proved that they want some hardcore business..at that time our CJ was no where near to take suo mottos,security forces were quick to neutralize the threat..thats a different debate how the dealt with them....but after the op everyone was sad for what happened with the students and deaths...:(
but yesterday police took their time gave Sikander alot of time to come out of this situation and everyone go home happy..police was also reluctant to shoot him down. why?? scared of CJ's suo motto,media bashing,taunts form people..hayy u killed a person u could've done better than that..but they didn't take action and now today CJ takes suo motto, why u didn't take action...my point is why does nobody encourages police,appreciates them,train them so that they can take action like this...no-doubt police has very much to improve in their public relations but,why does this filth happen a person has come on the road with weapon and MNAs are coming to negotiate with him,interior minister is giving police orders,media is giving min to min coverage,Zamurd Khan has become a hero..for god sake these things happen in all the world it for once in 66 years this has happened here whats the big deal........
Well if i end my opinion in a harsh way i would say"yesterday was what happened was Lal masjid kind of drop scene,a depressed man came out to enforce Shariat rather in an awkward way"......May the dead of Lal Masjid op rest in peace
Lil'Genius
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Sikander reminded me of something that happened in the past
Yes, all the people who cry for Lal Masjid and Support Burqa Molvi, must now also support Sikander. Sikander did exactly same, or please allow me to say, he did more better.
1. He didn't harm anybody. He got several chances to harm, even when PPP guy try to grabbed him he had several seconds, he could kill him.
2. He negotiated very well.
3. I saw on many occasions, he very humbly listen his kids talk with affection, by nodding head in agreement. He gave them juices and water also.
4. Kids, Wife were free to talk and walk. No restriction witnessed.
5. In start he looked like drunk or mad man. But when his wife and he talked with different TV channels. He made very valid arguments.
6. He sounded very patriotic.
Yes, all the people who cry for Lal Masjid and Support Burqa Molvi, must now also support Sikander. Sikander did exactly same, or please allow me to say, he did more better.
1. He didn't harm anybody. He got several chances to harm, even when PPP guy try to grabbed him he had several seconds, he could kill him.
2. He negotiated very well.
3. I saw on many occasions, he very humbly listen his kids talk with affection, by nodding head in agreement. He gave them juices and water also.
4. Kids, Wife were free to talk and walk. No restriction witnessed.
5. In start he looked like drunk or mad man. But when his wife and he talked with different TV channels. He made very valid arguments.
6. He sounded very patriotic.
aamir_uetn
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Sikander reminded me of something that happened in the past
u r absolutely right, it the same thinking
u r absolutely right, it the same thinking
zubair.maalick
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Sikander reminded me of something that happened in the past
This event can also be viewed in term of social injustice ...
I consider it a step step after selling children/ committing suicide.
It has become our habit to see every event as "taliban vs Secular". We should come out of this narrow view and start looking events in wider perspective.
This event can also be viewed in term of social injustice ...
I consider it a step step after selling children/ committing suicide.
It has become our habit to see every event as "taliban vs Secular". We should come out of this narrow view and start looking events in wider perspective.
Believer12
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Sikander reminded me of something that happened in the past
میں زمرد خان کو کریڈٹ نھیں دوں گا کیونکہ پولیس جو کام بھت صبر اور ذھانت سے انجام دے رھی تھی اس کا بیڑھ غرق کردیا زرداری کے اس جیالے نے۔
زمرد خان اسکندر پر جھپٹا لیکن اگلے ھی سیکنڈ میں زمین بوس ھوتا نظر آیا اسکے پاس کھڑے سکندر نے دونوں ھاتھ فضا میں بلند کرکے فائرنگ کی جس سے ظاھر ھوتا تھا کہ وھ کسی کو شوٹ کرنا نھیں چاھتا تھا ورنہ زمرد خان اسکے پیروں میں اپنا بھاری بھرکم جسم لے کر گرا پڑا تھا
زمرد خان جب ناکام ھوا تو پولیس کمانڈوز کو مجبوراٌ گولی چلانی پڑی جس سے اسکندر زخمی ھو کر گرفتار ھوگیا۔گولی چلانے کا کام تو پولیس بھت پھلے کر سکتی تھی جب اسکندر بار بار کار سے اکیلا باھر نکل کر پھرتا رھا۔یہ کام مذاکرات کی نسبت بھت ھی آسان تھا۔
میڈیا پھر شر پھیلارھا ھے کہ زمرد خان ھیرو بن گیا اور پولیس ناکام ھوگئ حالانکہ پولیس نے ھی فائر کر کے زمردخان کو بھی بچایا اور اسکندر کو بھی گرفتار کیا
زمرد خان اسکندر پر جھپٹا لیکن اگلے ھی سیکنڈ میں زمین بوس ھوتا نظر آیا اسکے پاس کھڑے سکندر نے دونوں ھاتھ فضا میں بلند کرکے فائرنگ کی جس سے ظاھر ھوتا تھا کہ وھ کسی کو شوٹ کرنا نھیں چاھتا تھا ورنہ زمرد خان اسکے پیروں میں اپنا بھاری بھرکم جسم لے کر گرا پڑا تھا
زمرد خان جب ناکام ھوا تو پولیس کمانڈوز کو مجبوراٌ گولی چلانی پڑی جس سے اسکندر زخمی ھو کر گرفتار ھوگیا۔گولی چلانے کا کام تو پولیس بھت پھلے کر سکتی تھی جب اسکندر بار بار کار سے اکیلا باھر نکل کر پھرتا رھا۔یہ کام مذاکرات کی نسبت بھت ھی آسان تھا۔
میڈیا پھر شر پھیلارھا ھے کہ زمرد خان ھیرو بن گیا اور پولیس ناکام ھوگئ حالانکہ پولیس نے ھی فائر کر کے زمردخان کو بھی بچایا اور اسکندر کو بھی گرفتار کیا
syedarahman
MPA (400+ posts)
total topi drama to divert the nation attention from govt poor / no performance ....
Sikandar ka mutalba ghalat nahi tha 1973 ke constitution men saaf saaf likha he ke is mulk per Allah aur Rasool ka nizaam chalega tu jo Sharay laws hen unko kardo implement ye agar magar kis baat ka asal baat na government karti he na media ye America se itnay $$$$ isi baat ke le rahay hen ke jo islam ki baat karega uska mazaq banana aur side per lagana chahay wo politician ho aam awam ho ya koe army officer sabko side line kardia jata he hum pehle America ke ghulam tu thay hi ab India ka bhi ghulam banadia he
یہ ایک چھوٹا سا نمونہ تھا دہشت گردوں کا جس نے دہشت گردوں کے کچھ پہلو نمایاں ہوے ہیں
١ دہشت گرد اپنی شرائط پر مزاکرات کا عمل چاہتے ہیں بغیر ہتیار ڈالے
٢ مزاکرات کے نقاط غیر واضھ ہیں جن میں بظاھر اسلامی نظام کا سہارا لیا گیا ہے
٣ دہشت گردوں سے مذاق رات کا حل اگرچہ ممکن نہیں ،لیکن ان سے مزاکرات کا راستہ ہی ان کو بے اثر کرنے کا ذریعہ ہے کیوں کے وہ معصوم شہریوں کو ڈھال بنا کر بلیک میل کر رہے ہیں
٤ دہشت گردوں سے نپٹنے کے لئے اسلحے سے زیادہ نیک نیتی اور جذبے کی ضرورت ہے
٥ کیا سیاستدانوں میں کوئی خصوصا جو مزاکرات کے حامی ہیں اپنے آپ کو اس کام کے لئے پیش کر سکتے ہیں ؟
١ دہشت گرد اپنی شرائط پر مزاکرات کا عمل چاہتے ہیں بغیر ہتیار ڈالے
٢ مزاکرات کے نقاط غیر واضھ ہیں جن میں بظاھر اسلامی نظام کا سہارا لیا گیا ہے
٣ دہشت گردوں سے مذاق رات کا حل اگرچہ ممکن نہیں ،لیکن ان سے مزاکرات کا راستہ ہی ان کو بے اثر کرنے کا ذریعہ ہے کیوں کے وہ معصوم شہریوں کو ڈھال بنا کر بلیک میل کر رہے ہیں
٤ دہشت گردوں سے نپٹنے کے لئے اسلحے سے زیادہ نیک نیتی اور جذبے کی ضرورت ہے
٥ کیا سیاستدانوں میں کوئی خصوصا جو مزاکرات کے حامی ہیں اپنے آپ کو اس کام کے لئے پیش کر سکتے ہیں ؟
Allah aapko hidayat de hum Pakistani sirf negative sonchte hen plz dont try to confuse others aap khud confuse hen larai ka kabhi koe result nahi nikalta usne gun ka istemaal ghalat kia magar uski demand sahi thi ye uska individual act tha usay jo samajh aya usne kia yehi reaction he jo so called war against terrorism humaray country per thopdi gai he usmen saray elements mix hogay hen jo terrorist hen wo tu India ki back le rahay hen aur jo drone attacks men shaheed horahay hen jo government ki permission se hote hen wo bhi humaray khilaf hogai hen agar aapke ghar per drone attack ho aur aapke family ke saray log marjayn then aapko pata chale ke ye aapki government ki permission se hoa he tu aap kia government ko phoolon ke haar pehnaogay???? humen sirf unse negotiate karna he jo patriotic groups drones ki waja se humari forces se lar rahay hen
نہیں کوئی حکم سواۓ الله کے" ، یہی نعرا تھا خارجیوں کا"
لیکن خلیفہ وقت نے کہا ان کا نعرا حق ہے لیکن ان کا ارادہ باطل ہے
خارجیوں سے جنگ ہماری اسلامی تاریخ کا حصہ ہے لیکن ہم نے اس سے سبق نہیں لیا . خارجیوں نے شیطانی چالوں سے مسلمانوں میں پھوٹ ڈالنے کا جو کام ١٤٠٠ برس قبل کیا تھا آج وہی دہشت گرد دھرا رہے ہیں لیکن ہم اس حقیقت سے غافل ہیں
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