San Bernandino Shooting Couple Kept Tight Lid on Plans

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik met online and married two years ago, after he presented himself on a Muslim dating site as a devout young man who liked to fix cars and memorize the Quran. They registered at Target when Ms. Malik became pregnant, with a cheery newlyweds catalog of wishes: a car seat, diapers and safety swabs.


But for all the outward signs of suburban normality, this couple, according to the police, used their comfortable home in a middle-class community near here to stockpile weapons and build pipe bombs. And on Wednesday morning, they left their 6-month-old daughter with her grandmother before heading to a holiday party with Mr. Farooks co-workers where, the police say, they killed 14 people and wounded 21 others. A few hours later, they died in a crush of bullets in a brutal face-off with the police.

As investigators puzzle over their motives, the couple the husband born in Illinois and raised in Southern California, the wife born in Pakistan and recently living in Saudi Arabia have emerged as one of the most perplexing pairs in the recent history of mass homicide. Their lives, and motives, remain mysteries to investigators, who are looking at possible ties to international terrorism but have not ruled out the possibility that this was the bloody culmination of a workplace dispute.

Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik were observant Muslims, described by friends as quiet and unobtrusive. Mr. Farook, 28, who was a lanky six feet tall and had a full beard for long periods of his life, graduated from California State University, San Bernardino, with a degree in environmental engineering. He worked for the San Bernardino County health department, checking food surfaces at restaurants and bakeries and chlorine levels in public swimming pools.


Far less is publicly known about Ms. Malik, 27, who lived with Mr. Farook and his mother in Redlands, about five miles from where the attack took place. Mr. Farook brought her to the United States in July 2014, with a Pakistani passport and a K-1 visa, which designated her his fiance. He applied for a permanent resident green card for her in September 2014, and she was granted a conditional card last July after passing a background check.



In registering for one of two dating services he used, Mr. Farook said he spoke Urdu, though friends said the couple spoke to each other in English. Mr. Farook, in a posting on one of the dating services, said he was open to dating a woman of any faith but was looking for someone who takes her religion very seriously and is always trying to improve her religion.


Mr. Farook was well known in the religious Muslim community here. From 2012 to 2014, he showed up twice a day for services at the Islamic Center of Riverside, sometimes as early as 4:30 a.m. and again in the evenings, said Mustafa H. Kuko, the director of the center. In a mosque where attendance on Fridays regularly tops 1,000, Mr. Farook stood out as one of the most devout members, wearing long robes to Friday services.

He always kept a bit of a distance between him and other people, Mr. Kuko said. He never had any dispute with anyone here at all. Mostly when the service is over, his usual move is from the prayer to his car. If he saw the director on the way out, he said salaam, but that was it.


Mr. Farook grew up in Riverside; his parents were born in Pakistan. He had two sisters and a brother, according to a brother-in-law, Farhan Khan. The brother, Syed Raheel Farook, enlisted in the Navy in 2003 and served for three years aboard the aircraft carrier Enterprise before leaving the service in 2007, Navy records show. On Thursday, the police searched the brothers home, neighbors said.



Syed Rizwan Farook was a normal person who kept halal just like any other Muslim, Mr. Khan said. Why would he do something like that? he said of the shooting. I have absolutely no idea. I am in shock.


Mr. Farooks father was an alcoholic and could be violent, capable of lashing out at his wife and children, according to statements his mother, Rafia Farook, made in a series of divorce proceedings beginning in 2006. The father, also named Syed Farook, called his wife names, screamed at his children, hurled home appliances and, at the worst moments, grew so combative that his children had to step between him and his wife, she asserted.

The elder Mr. Farook forced his family to move out of their home in 2006, Ms. Farook said in court papers, but he continued to harass her. My husband is mentally ill and is on medication but is also an alcoholic and drinks with the medicine, she said. The marriage was formally dissolved this year.


During those years, the family seemed to struggle with finances. Their home in Riverside, which the parents bought in 2000 before the title was transferred to Rafia Farooks name, went into the early stages of foreclosure before Ms. Farook made an overdue mortgage payment in 2011.

A neighbor, Victor Venegas, said that the elder Mr. Farook had worked for him driving trucks until 2003 and would come around looking for money. He would sometimes come over without calling, Mr. Venegas said, and ask, Can I have $10 to buy cigarettes?


Around Christmas one year, Mr. Venegas recalled, the father asked where he could buy a goat; he especially wanted a pregnant animal, saying that goat fetus was a delicacy. Mr. Venegas helped him get two. They ate one, and the family kept the other alive in the backyard, along with some chickens, where neighbors heard it bleating.

Multiple efforts to contact the father were unsuccessful.


Korey Roseman, 28, a former neighbor, said he spent time with the younger Syed Farook growing up, but that as a rule, the boy was not permitted to stray far from the family home. He was pretty cool at the time, Mr. Roseman said. He was soft-spoken, seemed intelligent. He was very nice. We used to play basketball in his front yard. The rest of his family was a little standoffish for whatever reason.

Mr. Farooks father frequently dressed in traditional Pakistani attire, with a white robe and a head wrap, even when he was driving the truck, and his mother usually kept her head covered, neighbors said. But the children dressed in Western clothes. Mr. Roseman said that Syed did not talk about his faith or pray openly at school. He never mentioned his religion, Mr. Roseman said.


As a teenager, Syed occasionally appeared in the same traditional dress as his father, neighbors said. By that time, he was often seen in the familys driveway, working on cars. He kept to himself, Mr. Venegas said, but was friendly when approached.


He wasnt very social; he was just out there doing his thing on the cars, Mr. Venegas said.


Mr. Farook signed up on two dating sites when he was in his early 20s, one aimed at Indian singles and the other at people in the United Arab Emirates. He described his family as religious but modern. He said he did not smoke or drink. He said of himself, Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religious books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard. He also wrote that he enjoyed doing target practice with younger sister and friends.


Mr. Farook enrolled in a graduate program in environmental engineering at California State University, Fullerton, in the fall of last year. But he continued to work for the county health department. His name appears on a county inspection report as recently as Oct. 1 for Cucas Mexican Restaurant in Rialto, Calif.


Mr. Kuko, the director of the mosque Mr. Farook attended, said that before Mr. Farook went to Saudi Arabia to pick up his future wife, he was asking my advice, my blessings, he said. He did double-check on her family background, and he was quite convinced that she was the right person for him.


They held the religious ceremony in Saudi Arabia and a reception at the mosque in Riverside, once they returned.


Mr. Kuko said he was still trying to make sense of the idea that someone like Mr. Farook could have been involved in mass murder. A woman who was wounded in the shooting, Mr. Kuko said, was a member of the mosque, the wife of the mosques program director, and a county worker.


Hes a mosquegoer, Mr. Kuko said of Mr. Farook. He comes to the mosque regularly. Something might have happened to him mentally, physically or whatever that made him change.


He said, I never thought of him as someone who is violent.


Adam Nagourney and Julie Turkewitz reported from San Bernardino; Ian Lovett from Riverside, Calif.; and Benjamin Mueller from New York. Rick Rojas contributed reporting from San Bernardino, and Eric Schmitt and Michael S. Schmidt from Washington. Jack Begg contributed research from New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/u...ion=keypress&region=FixedRight&pgtype=article
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Husband and wife both dead so it will be very difficult to investigate the motive unless the third suspect as reported initially is caught.
A couple having a 6 month old daughter indulging in mass murder is quite baffling.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Husband and wife both dead so it will be very difficult to investigate the motive unless the third suspect as reported initially is caught.
A couple having a 6 month old daughter indulging in mass murder is quite baffling.

I was watching a documentary done by Vice News who had shot in ISIS controlled areas and they interviewed some people who had come to live in the state from other countries including western countries..Some of these people had brought their kids with them as well some of who were as young as 2 years old...If you can drag you toddlers to an ISIS controlled area where NATO and Russia are dropping bombs, I can guess this can happen too...or maybe this couple thought, they wouldn't get caught as they had covered their faces..
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Update, 1:10 p.m.: Police say that 12 pipe bombs and "thousands" of rounds of ammunition were found at Farook and Malik's home. It's been previously reported that three undetonated bombs were found at the Inland Regional Center after Wednesday's attack.


Update, 12:50 p.m.: Citing "law enforcement officials," CNN reports that Syed Farook "was in touch over the phone and via social media with more than one international terrorism subject who the FBI were already investigating." Farook, who was Muslim, may have been "radicalized," the network's sources say.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._tashfeen_malik_married_couple_committed.html

and so it begins.....

 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Update, 1:10 p.m.: Police say that 12 pipe bombs and "thousands" of rounds of ammunition were found at Farook and Malik's home. It's been previously reported that three undetonated bombs were found at the Inland Regional Center after Wednesday's attack.


Update, 12:50 p.m.: Citing "law enforcement officials," CNN reports that Syed Farook "was in touch over the phone and via social media with more than one international terrorism subject who the FBI were already investigating." Farook, who was Muslim, may have been "radicalized," the network's sources say.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._tashfeen_malik_married_couple_committed.html

and so it begins.....


What begins?
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Here is whats fishy:

-The guy was born in the US but of pakistani origin - fine
- he posted on the matrimonial site that he speak urdu - fine as children of most pak families do
- he got married to a lady two years ago, supposedly from Pak but living in saudi arabia - she must be able to speak urdu
- they got married in saudi arabia - here it start getting fishy
- yet not body witnessed them speaking urdu - getting more fishy
- woman got the K-1 visa from pak but was she actually a pakistani?
- or she was planted by someone to go to matrimonial site and try to marry someone from US
- did she come to US with a plan to redicalize her husband?


Something very fishy here

e-g what????
 
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Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Till now No family (Either in Pakistan or Saudi) information available about Tafsheen?


Here is whats fishy:

-The guy was born in the US but of pakistani origin - fine
- he posted on the matrimonial site that he speak urdu - fine as children of most pak families do
- he got married to a lady two years ago, supposedly from Pak but living in saudi arabia - she must be able to speak urdu
- they got married in saudi arabia - here it start getting fishy
- yet not body witnessed them speaking urdu - getting more fishy
- woman got the K-1 visa from pak but was she actually a pakistani?
- or she was planted by someone to go to matrimonial site and try to marry someone from US
- did she came to US with a plan to redicalize her husband?
 

wahreh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yup. Thats more fishy. FBI is also saying that even though the woman got visa from pak but they are not sure if she was a pakistani. Lets see what they dig out

Till now No family (Either in Pakistan or Saudi) information available about Tafsheen?
 

Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
And at least some picture should have been released till now but I have seen only the Husband pictures on news website. But Allah Knows better what exactly happened with this Guy which led him to took such steps. May allah Bless you and All other Pakistanis brothers and sisters and hope this incident will not affect your life in USA.





Yup. Thats more fishy. FBI is also saying that even though the woman got visa from pak but they are not sure if she was a pakistani. Lets see what they dig out
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
What begins?

Tashfeen Malik, Mother in San Bernardino Massacre, Pledged Allegiance to ISIS Leader: Sources

The mother suspected of carrying out the San Bernardino massacre with her husband posted a statement of support on Facebook for the leader of ISIS, law enforcement sources told NBC News.



Tashfeen Malik posted the message about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi "just before the attack," one official familiar with the issue said.


Investigators are looking into whether she was the radicalizing influence in the life of her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/tashfeen-malik-mother-san-bernardino-massacre-pledged-allegiance-isis-leader-n474246
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Tashfeen Malik, Mother in San Bernardino Massacre, Pledged Allegiance to ISIS Leader: Sources

The mother suspected of carrying out the San Bernardino massacre with her husband posted a statement of support on Facebook for the leader of ISIS, law enforcement sources told NBC News.



Tashfeen Malik posted the message about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi "just before the attack," one official familiar with the issue said.


Investigators are looking into whether she was the radicalizing influence in the life of her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/tashfeen-malik-mother-san-bernardino-massacre-pledged-allegiance-isis-leader-n474246

so you mean so begins the Donald's path to becoming the president?
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
seems increasingly likely. I certainly dont think Ted Cruz or Ben Carson have the crazy-factor Trump is always willing to play.

Really, you think? Considering some things that come out of Ben Carson's mouth, I think he deserves to be in a mental ward which is ironic considering his profession..
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
hmmm conspiracy theory.....@Ali Khan didin't know you too are into it. :D
a good politician always grasps an opportunity to forward himself/herself in a national crisis or event.

Trump would be stupid not to do exactly that.

oh and it turns out Ms Tashfeen Malik did Pharmacy from BZU Multan, probably had links with Lal Masjid, and was the crazy doofus who radicalised her equally doofus of a husband!
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
a good politician always grasps an opportunity to forward himself/herself in a national crisis or event.

Trump would be stupid not to do exactly that.

oh and it turns out Ms Tashfeen Malik did Pharmacy from BZU Multan, probably had links with Lal Masjid, and was the crazy doofus who radicalised her equally doofus of a husband!
oh ok you just mean that he will try to cash in this incident.