Ruling on using the Masbahah

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ruling on using the Masbahah
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Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on ones fingers; others say that it is bidah (reprehensible innovation).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion
and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither Rasool Allah nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak. Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers. Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen (al-Liqa al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bidah, and his reply was: It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bidah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But Nabi Akram taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak. Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bidah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs! Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with ones fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because Rasool Allah used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.

Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Daeefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],

In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:

Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bidah and was not known at the time of Nabi Kareem. It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid wal-Nahy anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: Ibn Masood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bidah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Rasool Allah! Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabieen.

Secondly, it goes against the guidance of Rasool Allah. Abd-Allaah ibn Amr said, I saw Rasool Allah counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.

He also said (1/117): If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers!

Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bidah, so you see the followers of one of the [Sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one the like of whom I have not seen for some time riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allaah for even an instant, but in many cases this bidah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times to others as well as myself that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bidah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet:

All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf)

All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.


And Allaah knows best.

 

Unicorn

Banned
Maala Kahay hai kaadh kee, Kahay firay mohye,
Mun ka munka phair day, Turunt miladun tohay.

Maala kahay hai Kaadh kee, kahay phiray mohye,
Mun na phirbo aapna, mohay phiray kia paye.
 

shassan655

Senator (1k+ posts)
My God...now there is a debate whether we should do tasbeeh on our fingers or on Masbahah. Whether it is bidah or not. Mashallah we muslims think we are the best of the creature from Allah and doing our level best to please him. But in reality muslims are suffering the most in the world no matter if it's science/education/justice for all or security. Now I hope no one turns around and say this is test from Allah. We muslims have all the wealth in the world but we are the most deprived with the begging bowls. Allah guide/help and forgive us...Ameen...Regards...
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Agar allah:subhanahu: kay bayshumar diaay huaay kaa shukkar chand lafzoon main kar kay jaan churrani hay too koi baat naheen.

Uskay:subhanahu: diaay huay aoor naimatoon kaa shukkar bhee bayhisaab honaa chahiay.
Aay bholay insaan tumm too uskee:subhanahu: dee huiee aik saans kaa shukar sari ummar naheen addaa kar saktay.BAAT TASBEEH KEE KARTAY HOO.
 

sahiL

Senator (1k+ posts)
Aray wah...bara acha lecture dete hein app...did u even read the post? Why do we get so agitated even if someone tells us something beautiful...informative.......
Agar allah:subhanahu: kay bayshumar diaay huaay kaa shukkar chand lafzoon main kar kay jaan churrani hay too koi baat naheen.

Uskay:subhanahu: diaay huay aoor naimatoon kaa shukkar bhee bayhisaab honaa chahiay.
Aay bholay insaan tumm too uskee:subhanahu: dee huiee aik saans kaa shukar sari ummar naheen addaa kar saktay.BAAT TASBEEH KEE KARTAY HOO.
 

kaka

MPA (400+ posts)
Aray wah...bara acha lecture dete hein app...did u even read the post? Why do we get so agitated even if someone tells us something beautiful...informative.......

MASHALLAH Good stuff for people who just wanted to show off
 

islamabadi6

Councller (250+ posts)
WAOW!!! Now I can say I reached nirvana now that a ruling on using masbahah has come through. WHile some humans are planning on sending manned missions to mars...you are mental midget like this thread starter worried about masbaha...earlier he put a thread on keeping ankles uncovered...keep wasting your times morons while the rest of us go light yers ahead of you...
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Aray wah...bara acha lecture dete hein app...did u even read the post? Why do we get so agitated even if someone tells us something beautiful...informative.......

Yeh mairay apnay khialaat hain agar kisee koo passand naheen too,NAA SAhee.
 

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