Rizvi's criticism of Dr.Zakir Naik and Tableeghi chief is unfortunate , but Rizvi has a legacy and

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Rizvi's rabid criticism of main Islamic preachers of Tablighi jamaat and especially his unwelcome criticism of Zakir Naik has not been taken too well by Islamic circles.

It is true that Tablighi jamaat is not exactly the jamaat of true scholars but it is the only effective street level reformist movement of Islam in Pakistan of which I have seen many people benefit from lower and middle classes .

It is true that their current leader has this tendency of creating an atmosphere of "spiritual catharsis" and weeping which Rizvi has criticized as suggestive of making muslim feel powerless in a hostile and militant world arrayed against Islam .

Rizvi's criticism of Zakir Naik is unfortunate because Zakir's task of preaching in the middle of Kafir country is very very hard , his techniques as student of comparative religion makes that task only marginally easier in a hostile environment and Modi government is hellbent of involving him in terrorism charges and financial irregularities . Just because he is a doctor and is bestowed with a new type of logic and scholarship of science does not mean that Rizvi old methods of scholarship are superior . There has always been an element of jealousy between Madrassa Mullahs and medical doctors or technocrats taking to study of Quran and writing Tafsirs. The Tablighi supremo and Zakir Naik perhaps have partial and complete medical background.

Rizvi shows himself as a Pro shia scholar which in current scenario of a adverse Iran cannot lead to his permanent rise as Iran sides with India in the greatest Shia sunni power struggle since the Ottoman war between Ismael shah and them is going gunder khamenei .

Rizvi's greatest legacy and there is infact five he has left so far .


1. Complete rout of secular parties like PTI, PMLN(Newtype), PPP over Qadiani issue to the extent that even bajwa was trembling to intervene even though some say his agencies were arranging this proshia sunni movement to rise versus traditional allies of army like LET etc.

2. A resurgence of interest in poet Iqbal of which he seems to be good scholar though some of his interpretations need a review again . Offcourse his knowledge of Iqbal poetry to me was much more than that of Javed Iqbal his son.

3. A criticism of toothlessness of certain versions of Islam such as Tablighi who for years sided with PPP the culturally Anti islam and Anti sunni party but not now .

4. A resurgence of spirit of times of 1920s to 1950s , and interpretation of Islam in places like Lahore , Gujranwala and Sagodha divisions which were a core sites of Pakistan movement and remain the site of Core Raw power of militancy and robust ness of Pakistan versus India .


5. Offcourse likes of Rizvi have elated souls like ours in challenging secularism and moribund western style Anti Islam judiciary which we always wanted to take on , but overall he does not belong to our class , the western educated , same as was case with Tablighi jamaat or JUI or even Jamaat . This class barrier is main hurdle between lack of success in establishing control by such parties . But two changes are being imposed on our society by democracy and continuous war in the Afghanistan , these are replacement of city dwellers by villagers in power houses and by pashtoon share increase as more and more recruitment from villages and pashtoon area is needed to win this war . A bit like late Aurengzeb period . This means that Rizvi and such like have greater say in coming days and this explains why Imran needs Sameeul Haq to even survive in power .

History cannot favour like of Rizvi and likes of Maryam Nawaz at the same time , one category has to fall .


Rizvi is profiled more completely in this article by a shia writer in Dawn

[video]https://www.dawn.com/news/1374182/who-is-khadim-hussain-rizvi[/video]

Rizvi's bad style criticism of Zakir Naik Sahib needs to be openly criticized .

 
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Islamabadiya

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
yes his legacy is:

His filthy mouth

Destruction on faizabad interchange

changed minds of 100s of overseas Pakistanis who were thinking of coming back to Pak for good

canceled 100s of millions worth business in Isl/Rwp

spread garbage and filth

destroyed police vans, metro stations, CCTV cameras, all paid by tax payers money, and khadim types don't pay any tax so maybe they don't know what it is

divided people on sects

spread lies about Hadeeth and Sunnah
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

مولوی خادم بڑا ہی گندہ ہے، کیونکہ پنجابی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

لیکن مریم صفدر بہت اچھی ہے کیونکہ وہ اور اس کا گالی گلوچ برگیڈ انگریزی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

:lol:

:lol:

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Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
yes his legacy is:

His filthy mouth

His filthy mouth is no different than that of an ordinary punjabi villager's. He is not from heavens.


changed minds of 100s of overseas Pakistanis who were thinking of coming back to Pak for good
:lol: those who were willing to move to Pakistan sincerely, will move into Pakistan anyway. No molvi or marshal law will hinder them. The only thing that bothers overseas Pakistanis is the rampant corruption and bureaucratic hurdles for establishing businesses.

canceled 100s of millions worth business in Isl/Rwp

spread garbage and filth

destroyed police vans, metro stations, CCTV cameras, all paid by tax payers money, and khadim types don't pay any tax so maybe they don't know what it is
He was sent by Khadim-e-Aalaa.
The bill should be sent to Takht-e-Lahore.

divided people on sects

spread lies about Hadeeth and Sunnah

This is nothing new. What else should one expect from a hardliner?
He is neither Mufti Muneeb, nor Mufti Usmani.
 

PappuChikna

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
his legacy is ishq-e-rasool.

desi ishq-e-rasool aisaa he hota hai.

"Rizvi's rabid criticism of main Islamic preachers of Tablighi jamaat and especially his unwelcome criticism of Zakir Naik has not been taken too well by Islamic circles. "

this is the only objectionable thing seen by islamic circles in moulvi khadim's dharna

sadqay theewaa!


https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthr...phool-Moulvi-Khadim-banam-Moulvi-Tariq-Jameel
 

PIND-WALA

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have a feeling that he will be murdered . quite possibly by other molvis who feel jealous now as he is taking too much publicity.
 

abbtak

Citizen
Because he show reality so his filthy mouth?

Whats other way to record your Ehtataj on the Law change ?

those who want to stay away from Pakistan, please dont come..



yes his legacy is:

His filthy mouth

Destruction on faizabad interchange

changed minds of 100s of overseas Pakistanis who were thinking of coming back to Pak for good

canceled 100s of millions worth business in Isl/Rwp

spread garbage and filth

destroyed police vans, metro stations, CCTV cameras, all paid by tax payers money, and khadim types don't pay any tax so maybe they don't know what it is

divided people on sects

spread lies about Hadeeth and Sunnah
 

difai drama baz

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)

مولوی خادم بڑا ہی گندہ ہے، کیونکہ پنجابی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

لیکن مریم صفدر بہت اچھی ہے کیونکہ وہ اور اس کا گالی گلوچ برگیڈ انگریزی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

:lol:

:lol:

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ayen ji ?

the day khadim hussain rizvi will become prime minister of pakistan , that day will be day of pakistan qaid e azam actually dreamt .
 
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Ghaznavi

MPA (400+ posts)
Problem of Guys like Rizvi is, why people are turning to Islam rather than his pathetic cult!!! His legacy is illiteratism and keeping people illiterate!!! Not to mention that he is not only one who sell religion to obtain status in Politics!!! His lust of power have no limit...he fired his own chairman and made mocekery of him and the so-called cause of Khatam e Nabuwat...

here on this very forum only Jahil of highest level calls him their leader
 

nazim

Banned
Problem of Guys like Rizvi is, why people are turning to Islam rather than his pathetic cult!!! His legacy is illiteratism and keeping people illiterate!!! Not to mention that he is not only one who sell religion to obtain status in Politics!!! His lust of power have no limit...he fired his own chairman and made mocekery of him and the so-called cause of Khatam e Nabuwat...

here on this very forum only Jahil of highest level calls him their leader


jahils are a plenty on this forum who like dagga maulvi .:lol:
 

Muhammad Jibran

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Zakir Naik is not a true scholar of islam, this fact is known in Muslim clergy. He is good at debating harmless and toothless western scholars who have little faith in themselves. But he never had the courage to face Muslim scholars.

He wrote in his book that ALlah can become a human, a belief held by every hindu but no muslim..You can find this book online. He said as soon as ALLAH become a human he no longer remains God lol ( page 18, concepts of god in major religion :)
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Concept_of_God_in_Major_Religions.pdf
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4v7NEA5DTs[VIDEO]
 
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Cartoon Pro

MPA (400+ posts)
Zakir Naik or khadim hussain rizvi ko jo compare kiya gaya hai tou mujhy hazrat Mosa or jadogaroun ka muqabla yad agaya :) Hazrat e Mosa ka moujza haqeeqi tha or jadogaroun ka jadu dhoka. khadim hussain rizvi ka ilm zakir naik say boht zeyada hai, khadim sahab sheikh ul hadees hain, jab k zakir naik hadees ko arbi say urdu mai bhe translate nahe karskta
 

Ghaznavi

MPA (400+ posts)
Zakir Naik or khadim hussain rizvi ko jo compare kiya gaya hai tou mujhy hazrat Mosa or jadogaroun ka muqabla yad agaya :) Hazrat e Mosa ka moujza haqeeqi tha or jadogaroun ka jadu dhoka. khadim hussain rizvi ka ilm zakir naik say boht zeyada hai, khadim sahab sheikh ul hadees hain, jab k zakir naik hadees ko arbi say urdu mai bhe translate nahe karskta

sheikh ul bd'khoi aut bd'ikhlaqi aur jahalat...

kitnay non muslims ko muslmaan kiya??? yeh Abu Jahal sani almaroof pen de sarri muslims ko kafir tu qaraar day sakta hay per kaheen pr bhi sensable guftagoo eak minute bhi nahi kr sakta...
e.g. agr koy shakhs eid milad per woh sab na karay ju jahil rizvi aur uss kay jahil perokaar kertay hain tu kya woh muslmaan hay?
agr kog kalima go Ahmed Raza Khan Brailvi ko Imam tasleem na karay tu kya woh muslmaan hay!!!

xara apnay jahil e azam say above ka jawab tu lay aYain...
 

Ghaznavi

MPA (400+ posts)
Zakir Naik is not a true scholar of islam, this fact is known in Muslim clergy. He is good at debating harmless and toothless western scholars who have little faith in themselves. But he never had the courage to face Muslim scholars.

He wrote in his book that ALlah can become a human, a belief held by every hindu but no muslim..You can find this book online. He said as soon as ALLAH become a human he no longer remains God lol ( page 18, concepts of god in major religion :)
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Concept_of_God_in_Major_Religions.pdf
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4v7NEA5DTs[VIDEO]

please name muslim scholars!!!
 

loser24x7

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Iss mazmoon-nigaar se bara online Jaahil mein nain nahin dekha...Yahaan per serious bak bak ker raha hai jesay koi bahut bara likhari ho....:lol:
 

Foreigner

Senator (1k+ posts)

مولوی خادم بڑا ہی گندہ ہے، کیونکہ پنجابی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

لیکن مریم صفدر بہت اچھی ہے کیونکہ وہ اور اس کا گالی گلوچ برگیڈ انگریزی میں گالیاں دیتا ہے

:lol:

:lol:

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جناب آپ سیب کا موازنہ سنترے سے کررہے ہیں. یہ انسان اپنے آپ کو مذہبی رہنما کہلاتا ہے اور اس کے مطابق اس کا اسلام آباد میں دھرنا اسلام کی خاطر تھا، اور بقول اس کے جو اس دھرنے میں شامل نہیں تھے وہ سچے مسلمان نہیں. اب اگر یہ مذهب کی نمائندگی کر رہا ہے اور گالیاں بکے اور یہ کہے کہ اسلام میں گالیاں دینا جائز ہے، تو مذهب کی تعلیمات پر سوال اٹھیں گے.

آپ نے دوسرے کمینٹ میں لکھا ہے کہ یہ عام پنجابی دیہاتی کی زبان
ہے. یہ غلط بات ہے، معلوم نہیں آپ نے یہ نتیجہ کہاں سے اخذ کر لیا ہے. دیہات میں رہنے کا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ وہاں کے لوگ ماں بہن کی گالیاں دیتے ہیں.

اگر یہ فرض بھی کر لیا جائے، پھر بھی ہر پیشے اور رتبے کی اخلاقی اقدار ہوتی ہیں اور پیشے یا رتبے کی مانگ ہوتی ہے کہ انسان ان اقدار کے مطابق چلے. جیسے ایک استاد اپنے شاگردوں کے ساتھ اس طرح سے بات نہیں کرتا، یا والدین اپنی اولاد کے ساتھ اس طرح سے بات نہیں کرتے جیسے وہ اپنے دوستوں سے کرتے ہیں، اسی طرح سے اگر یہ مذهب اپنے آپ کو مذہبی نمائندہ ظاہر کر رہا ہے تو اسے اس کے مطابق چلنا چاہیے ناکہ لوگوں کو گمراہ کرے.

 

Two Stooges

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wesay ye videos sun k dil khush hougaya , koe bhe sensible banda in videos say ikhtelaf nahe karskta :)
تم جلد از جلد کسی نفسیات کے ڈاکٹر سے اپنے ڈنگر دماغ کا علاج کرو، ایسا نہ ہو کہ اِس مولبی کے بہکاوے میں اے پی ایس جیسی کاروائی نہ کر بیٹھو
 
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