Rich Muslim vows to pay all French burka fines

[Waseem]

Flamboyant Rachid Nekkaz pledges 1m to pay fines of French Muslim women caught wearing the full veil

On the eve of tomorrow's Bastille Day celebrations, there is more revolution in the air in France and this time the ringleader is a flamboyant Muslim businessman called Rachid Nekkaz. The 38-year-old property developer is incensed that France has moved one step closer to banning the burka, with women caught wearing the full veil in public liable to a 150 fine and anyone convicted of forcing a woman to cover up facing a fine of up to 30,000 and a year in prison.

The first stage in passing the controversial law was today approved in the National Assembly with members of the Lower House voting overwhelmingly 335 votes for to one against to introduce the ban. If the French senators in the Upper House ratify the proposal in September, it will become law by the spring of 2011.

Nekkaz (above), along with the majority of France's five million Muslims, is furious at what he sees as a persecution of his religion, pointing out that fewer than 2,000 French Muslims actually wear the full veil.

He has begun a campaign to fight the law and he's pledged one million euros of his own money to pay the fines of any Muslim convicted. Speaking outside the National Assembly, Nekkaz said: "One million sounds a lot, but to protect one's liberty it's not much, and I hope that others in this country who hold the constitution dear and want to protect our fundamental liberty will join me in fighting this law."

The debonair Nekkaz, a shining example of an integrated, modern French Muslim (he was born in France to Algerian parents), has set up a campaign group called 'Hands off my Constitution', and plans to raise the 1m by selling some of the properties he owns in the Parisian suburbs.

In front of the cameras he wrote a personal cheque for the seven-figure sum before describing the proposed law as 'Anti-Constitutional' and demanding that President Sarkozy shelves the idea.

That seems unlikely. Not only has Sarkozy described the full veil as degrading to women, but it's an issue that has the overwhelming support of his UMP party. Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said last week that wearing the veil "amounted to being cut off from society and rejecting the very spirit of the French republic that is founded on a desire to live together''.

And the likes of Nekkaz haven't been helped in fighting the law by the muddled approach of the opposition Socialist Party. They would like to see a ban restricted to state institutions. But that notion was ridiculed by Alliot-Marie, who said it would be "legally incoherent" and impossible to enforce. "How could we convince the French people that freedom, equality and respect for the dignity of women begins in the train station but stops at the exit?''

The Socialists abstained in today's vote in the Lower House and have said they will adopt a similar stance in September's Senate vote, in which case it seems certain the law will be written into the French Constitution. But the country's police force is bracing itself for a backlash. Security was increased at the National Assembly ahead of today's vote and there are fears of street riots if the bill is passed.

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[vaqarraees55]

I totally agree , when it comes to human rights. One should be allowed to do, wear or say, whatever he wants, as long as it does not distrub others.
Hijab is OK, but as far as "Niquab" is concerned, well, it does makes a lot of people uncomfortable perticularly under the current situation.
As far as 'Niquab' being an Islamic requirement, pls. show me a single quatation form Quran or Hadith which makes it madatory for a 'COMMON' Muslim woman to wear it.

I am disturbed to see that a hue and cry is made when West wants to take off the "Niquab" of a Muslim women but I don't see any body making any noise at all when a mother 50 and her 14 years old daughter were made naked on the main street near Muzafarghar and beaten up, several times.

What a hypocracy.

 

[atensari]

یورپ کی روشن خیالی کہاں گئی

http://www.tanzeemarchive.org/jaraid 2010/nida/ndk2010-07-13.pdf

 

[usiddiqi]

I totally agree , when it comes to human rights. One should be allowed to do, wear or say, whatever he wants, as long as it does not distrub others.
Hijab is OK, but as far as "Niquab" is concerned, well, it does makes a lot of people uncomfortable perticularly under the current situation.
As far as 'Niquab' being an Islamic requirement, pls. show me a single quatation form Quran or Hadith which makes it madatory for a 'COMMON' Muslim woman to wear it.

I am disturbed to see that a hue and cry is made when West wants to take off the "Niquab" of a Muslim women but I don't see any body making any noise at all when a mother 50 and her 14 years old daughter were made naked on the main street near Muzafarghar and beaten up, several times.

What a hypocracy.

Brother, its not about prooving that Niqaab is mandotory or not. Its only about the right of people who practice their belief. If only 1 woman in the whole france wants to wear the niqaab and she thinks or believes that it is mandatory than the french gov has no right to stop her.

And im really shocked when u say that u didnt see anybody making noise for the misbehave with the women near Muzafarghar. I think that there is a need of doing much more, but still, the incident has already been in the notice of high officials, and i hope that justice would be done with the victims. The prob mostly with the rural areas of pak, that the people are only officially muslims, just bcoz their parents were muslims, otherwise they follow their old cultural values.

Wsalam

 

[usman6062]

I totally agree , when it comes to human rights. One should be allowed to do, wear or say, whatever he wants, as long as it does not distrub others.
Hijab is OK, but as far as "Niquab" is concerned, well, it does makes a lot of people uncomfortable perticularly under the current situation.
As far as 'Niquab' being an Islamic requirement, pls. show me a single quatation form Quran or Hadith which makes it madatory for a 'COMMON' Muslim woman to wear it.

I am disturbed to see that a hue and cry is made when West wants to take off the "Niquab" of a Muslim women but I don't see any body making any noise at all when a mother 50 and her 14 years old daughter were made naked on the main street near Muzafarghar and beaten up, several times.

What a hypocracy.

o janaab....
Be a muslim...OK????
Everybody should read the following informational stuff.
Quraan mein kisi aurat ka naam nayi lia gaya...Siwaye Hazrat Maryam k.......aur wo b isi liye liya gaya k Hazrat EESA(A.S) ko Nauzubillah Allah ka beta kaha gaya....
Baki jitni b aurtoo ki baat aayi...unn ko "Firayoon ki bewi" aur Flan(anyone) ki beti ..............yani nisbat say bulayaa gaya.....
Iss hikmat per...Aalam kehtay hain...Jub Allah nein aurat ka naam b chupaaya hai....to uss ka chehra chupaana zaroori q nayi hai?????


2ndly, freedom of speech within the limits of Islamic walls honi chahyeh....

 

[molson4u]

If this two rich muslims have spent that money wisely to lobby the national assembly, they might have build a pressure on the government. Now coming up with 2 million Euro will not help the situation. let's not talk about human rights or religious right. It doesn't look good from a muslims mouth especially a Pakistani. Unlike Muslim world where dictators have ruled the Ummah since the death of Prophets up until todays Arab world, other countried have democracy where people elect their members to represent their position in the house or national assembly. The laws are passed protecting the majority not the minority and everyone should respect the law.

Secondly, if u don't agree with the laws of that land, leave that land. Why u don't go and live in Arabia or 57 other muslim countries where you can practice your relegion with all previliges. Why the west? You want euro and dollars that is why and when you come to their country and they allow you to live there, you want them to change their culture, religion and laws to accomodate you. why ? do you do the same for them...no

If an American or French is living in Saudi Arabia and wants to drink or eat pork in Mecca or wants to start a church in Medina, would youn allow that. Never... what about their rights? NO No No rights... we are muslim and if they want to live in our land they have to abide by the laws of Islam or the laws of that Islamic country... you guys are hypocrates...nothing else.

In Pakistan do you give rights to Christains and other minorities? No. You want people to say Mirza was an imposter nabi before you issue him a passport, insulting their faith, don't you think they have religous rights too. You kill shia muslims during Muharram, don't they have a right to religious freedom promised to them in the constitution and by Quaid Azam? No you bend the quran, Hadith and constitution your way to self facilate yourself.... so let's not talk about rights and freedom for religion..its don't look good coming from the mouth of a Muslim or a Pakistani.

If you are so big of a muslim, leave the west and go back to the East where you can have your religious freedom but you will not leave because you know that you will not have no freedom in your own islamic country and you will lose hundred's of thousand Dollars and Euro's you earn to surrport yourself and your parents back home. Just stop being hypocrates and respect the wishes of the people of that land and abide by the law or leave and live happy.

 

[digitalzygot]

Peope should be allowed to do whatever they want to do, stupid french move.

 

[Ajnabi27]

It's an absurd, illiberal law pandering to anti-muslim sentiment in Europe. In France only 2,000 out of two million adult Muslim women are estimated to wear the veil (that's 0.1 per cent of French female Muslims). What about balaclavas and hoodies?

The tide is already turning in Britain. Banning the burka is UKIP policy and earlier this month a Tory MP Philip tabled a private members' bill that would make it illegal for anyone to cover their face in public.
There is no reaction, whatsoever in any muslim country. If Kuwait, Egypt and the UAE have banned the niqab in certain workplaces then how could a non-muslim country be blamed for such ludicrous.

 

[sshahid]

I totally agree , when it comes to human rights. One should be allowed to do, wear or say, whatever he wants, as long as it does not distrub others.
Hijab is OK, but as far as "Niquab" is concerned, well, it does makes a lot of people uncomfortable perticularly under the current situation.
As far as 'Niquab' being an Islamic requirement, pls. show me a single quatation form Quran or Hadith which makes it madatory for a 'COMMON' Muslim woman to wear it.

I am disturbed to see that a hue and cry is made when West wants to take off the "Niquab" of a Muslim women but I don't see any body making any noise at all when a mother 50 and her 14 years old daughter were made naked on the main street near Muzafarghar and beaten up, several times.

What a hypocracy.

you are one confused person.

 

[Khurram.k]

If this two rich muslims have spent that money wisely to lobby the national assembly, they might have build a pressure on the government. Now coming up with 2 million Euro will not help the situation. let's not talk about human rights or religious right. It doesn't look good from a muslims mouth especially a Pakistani. Unlike Muslim world where dictators have ruled the Ummah since the death of Prophets up until todays Arab world, other countried have democracy where people elect their members to represent their position in the house or national assembly. The laws are passed protecting the majority not the minority and everyone should respect the law.

Secondly, if u don't agree with the laws of that land, leave that land. Why u don't go and live in Arabia or 57 other muslim countries where you can practice your relegion with all previliges. Why the west? You want euro and dollars that is why and when you come to their country and they allow you to live there, you want them to change their culture, religion and laws to accomodate you. why ? do you do the same for them...no

If an American or French is living in Saudi Arabia and wants to drink or eat pork in Mecca or wants to start a church in Medina, would youn allow that. Never... what about their rights? NO No No rights... we are muslim and if they want to live in our land they have to abide by the laws of Islam or the laws of that Islamic country... you guys are hypocrates...nothing else.

In Pakistan do you give rights to Christains and other minorities? No. You want people to say Mirza was an imposter nabi before you issue him a passport, insulting their faith, don't you think they have religous rights too. You kill shia muslims during Muharram, don't they have a right to religious freedom promised to them in the constitution and by Quaid Azam? No you bend the quran, Hadith and constitution your way to self facilate yourself.... so let's not talk about rights and freedom for religion..its don't look good coming from the mouth of a Muslim or a Pakistani.

If you are so big of a muslim, leave the west and go back to the East where you can have your religious freedom but you will not leave because you know that you will not have no freedom in your own islamic country and you will lose hundred's of thousand Dollars and Euro's you earn to surrport yourself and your parents back home. Just stop being hypocrates and respect the wishes of the people of that land and abide by the law or leave and live happy.

Psssst ! over here !! how are you Canadian Molson ? Must be doin awesome ... must've enjoyed your suasage or bacon with your egg this morning ? Obviously you live in the west yourself and the most stupid comments suggest you are high too ...it's cool ...everyone does that too in the west . So first up ...you tried (you will never succeed) putting Pakitanis down .... you are on their very forum , learn some manners , you pee on the floor when you are visiting someone else's place . Two , Saudi Arabia doesn't allow drinking not only cuz it's a muslim country but because it has always been a part of their law .Three , the debate is not about accepting the law (stupidity at it's best ) They are trying to fight something that could POTENTIALLY become a law .....why are they fighting it ? cuz it was never a law .... it's a step towards denouncing Muslims worldwide ...YESSSSS now he gets it ... it's not a muslim hypocrisy , its the French hypocrisy , cuz they are changing the law on 5 million people only cuz they don't feel comfy . Try learning to e comfy in your own skin and please before you make a fool outta yourself again , don't talk gibrish about something you have absolutely no sense for . Have a wonderful day .... ( I won't tell anyone you are planning on eating baby back ribs tonight , I know eating pork is a normalcy in west and you must follow it since you are a part of that system , we understand) and don't ever call a Pakistani or it's motherland bad just cuz you like being a devil's advocate . We know our flaws and we will fix 'em ourselves .

 

[molson4u]

KhurramK, Turth hurts like jumping on a bicyle without a seat on it....lol try it and you will feel the same pain as you had when you read the truth that i wrote...weeei. Its obvious you can't have intellegent conversation on facts. I am a proud Pakistani Canadian living in Canada so i know the truth. "Judge not so not be judge so who ever will judge, he will be judge the same way ". Thank you for your uneducated comments and baseless alligations topped with your blindness to the facts. You have not denied any facts as they are truth but can up with stupid explainations. I would not like to cater to you lowlife comments that show your family background. I speak to people who are knowledgable, know the facts and are open minded to seek the truth. Nobody can deny the facts as stated but sorry man you were not my audiences.

 

[bons]

If this two rich muslims have spent that money wisely to lobby the national assembly, they might have build a pressure on the government. Now coming up with 2 million Euro will not help the situation. let's not talk about human rights or religious right. It doesn't look good from a muslims mouth especially a Pakistani. Unlike Muslim world where dictators have ruled the Ummah since the death of Prophets up until todays Arab world, other countried have democracy where people elect their members to represent their position in the house or national assembly. The laws are passed protecting the majority not the minority and everyone should respect the law.

Secondly, if u don't agree with the laws of that land, leave that land. Why u don't go and live in Arabia or 57 other muslim countries where you can practice your relegion with all previliges. Why the west? You want euro and dollars that is why and when you come to their country and they allow you to live there, you want them to change their culture, religion and laws to accomodate you. why ? do you do the same for them...no

If an American or French is living in Saudi Arabia and wants to drink or eat pork in Mecca or wants to start a church in Medina, would youn allow that. Never... what about their rights? NO No No rights... we are muslim and if they want to live in our land they have to abide by the laws of Islam or the laws of that Islamic country... you guys are hypocrates...nothing else.

In Pakistan do you give rights to Christains and other minorities? No. You want people to say Mirza was an imposter nabi before you issue him a passport, insulting their faith, don't you think they have religous rights too. You kill shia muslims during Muharram, don't they have a right to religious freedom promised to them in the constitution and by Quaid Azam? No you bend the quran, Hadith and constitution your way to self facilate yourself.... so let's not talk about rights and freedom for religion..its don't look good coming from the mouth of a Muslim or a Pakistani.

If you are so big of a muslim, leave the west and go back to the East where you can have your religious freedom but you will not leave because you know that you will not have no freedom in your own islamic country and you will lose hundred's of thousand Dollars and Euro's you earn to surrport yourself and your parents back home. Just stop being hypocrates and respect the wishes of the people of that land and abide by the law or leave and live happy.

You must understand the difference between a secular country and an Islamic country before opening your mouth.

People like you in the ruling party of France are supporting this new law. If you had some basic understanding of Islam you would have selected a decent nick name.

 

[Star Gazer]

This is the right way to go. Struggle with your 'Maal' and use the legal means.JazakAllah.

 

[Adeel]

On the eve of tomorrow's Bastille Day celebrations, there is more revolution in the air in France and this time the ringleader is a flamboyant Muslim businessman called Rachid Nekkaz. The 38-year-old property developer is incensed that France has moved one step closer to banning the burka, with women caught wearing the full veil in public liable to a 150 fine and anyone convicted of forcing a woman to cover up facing a fine of up to 30,000 and a year in prison.

The first stage in passing the controversial law was today approved in the National Assembly with members of the Lower House voting overwhelmingly 335 votes for to one against to introduce the ban. If the French senators in the Upper House ratify the proposal in September, it will become law by the spring of 2011.

Nekkaz (above), along with the majority of France's five million Muslims, is furious at what he sees as a persecution of his religion, pointing out that fewer than 2,000 French Muslims actually wear the full veil.

He has begun a campaign to fight the law and he's pledged one million euros of his own money to pay the fines of any Muslim convicted. Speaking outside the National Assembly, Nekkaz said: "One million sounds a lot, but to protect one's liberty it's not much, and I hope that others in this country who hold the constitution dear and want to protect our fundamental liberty will join me in fighting this law."

The debonair Nekkaz, a shining example of an integrated, modern French Muslim (he was born in France to Algerian parents), has set up a campaign group called 'Hands off my Constitution', and plans to raise the 1m by selling some of the properties he owns in the Parisian suburbs.

In front of the cameras he wrote a personal cheque for the seven-figure sum before describing the proposed law as 'Anti-Constitutional' and demanding that President Sarkozy shelves the idea.

That seems unlikely. Not only has Sarkozy described the full veil as degrading to women, but it's an issue that has the overwhelming support of his UMP party. Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said last week that wearing the veil "amounted to being cut off from society and rejecting the very spirit of the French republic that is founded on a desire to live together''.

And the likes of Nekkaz haven't been helped in fighting the law by the muddled approach of the opposition Socialist Party. They would like to see a ban restricted to state institutions. But that notion was ridiculed by Alliot-Marie, who said it would be "legally incoherent" and impossible to enforce. "How could we convince the French people that freedom, equality and respect for the dignity of women begins in the train station but stops at the exit?''

The Socialists abstained in today's vote in the Lower House and have said they will adopt a similar stance in September's Senate vote, in which case it seems certain the law will be written into the French Constitution. But the country's police force is bracing itself for a backlash. Security was increased at the National Assembly ahead of today's vote and there are fears of street riots if the bill is passed.

 

[Adeel]

How long before they pass a bill whereby 'Paying someone elses fines will be a hangable offence'?

 

[usiddiqi]

If you are so big of a muslim, leave the west and go back to the East where you can have your religious freedom but you will not leave because you know that you will not have no freedom in your own islamic country and you will lose hundred's of thousand Dollars and Euro's you earn to surrport yourself and your parents back home. Just stop being hypocrates and respect the wishes of the people of that land and abide by the law or leave and live happy.

Thats typical western thinking that Islam/Muslims are only for east. And if somebody is western or european that he/she cant be a muslim. They consider the Europe as a christian continent. I agree with u that the muslim immigrants should be thankful to their host european countries for the religious freedom. But as i have wrote already in some other thread what about the french muslims people who either born in France or have converted/reverted to Islam. Why they should leave their country or stop practicing their religion.

 

[molson4u]

You can't deny that majority of Muslims live in the East and a very small minority lives in the west. But majority rules and makes the law in the world and minority has to abide by it. Look at the Islamic countries, don't they make the law because they have muslim majority and disregard the feeling of Minority? The fact is no one has denied the facts as i have stated in my response because u can't. You can only do uneducated arguement such as, look at your nick name, you west lover etc.

In fact we Muslims of the West are thanksful to the west which allow us to make new mosques, spread the word of Allah, Convert christians to Islam, speak freely about the teachings of Islam, host seminars about muslim killing in the world and many other freedoms. I have seen people spreading litrature of Islam on the roads to local people and Shia people having a muharram possession with the horse in the streets of Toronto, Newyork, London and all around the westren world without fear of being arrested or bombed.

Will you than deny that islam is the fastest growing religion in the west? no you can't.

On the otherhand look at the muslim world for example Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. In Saudi, you can't take any book of any other faith except Quran. If you bring it with you, they will take it and though away in the garbage. Can a Qadiani spread his literature in Lahore on the streets? Hell No. He will be charged and hanged from the balls. Don't you think he or she has a right to religious freedom? They are born in Pakistan too, don't they have rights....Look at what stupid Taliban did in Afganistan. They made minority wear a Badge on their chests to make them feel they are lower class citizens...

Metally sick( Talibans and their followers)Muslims are fighting the so called war with the west but in reality only destroying Islam and killing Muslims. Look at the bombing record in the world. you will be shocked to find, these bombs has only killed Muslims in the mosque, Imam bargah, bus station, shops, Plaza's and sufi shrines ONLY Killing Muslim brothers... can you deny that. Wake up people, you are becoming weaker by killing your own.

Islam is spreading in West by means of Love and preaching of the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and Quran. Spreading terror in the west is making people scared of Islam and its teachings. West can only be won by religion if we show them the side of Phophet Mohammad where a women will throw Garbage on him and he will pray for her and she converted. Someone spit on the face of Hazarat Ali and he let him go because he didn't wanted to kill him for personal reasons. Unlike some Khalifa's who will send the message to accept Islam or be ready to be killed. Times have changed my friends.

Today Muslims are in British Parliment, Canadian House of Commons, US congress and many other law making assemblies in the west. If we give peace and love a chance, the day is not far when musilms will be the biggest power in the west. Remember hast makes waste.

 

[molson4u]

A bomb blast in Sarghoda Punjab Pakistan today according to Dunya TV. please can you tell me how many western are killed? All muslims... shame on those muslims who killed inocent muslims in the name of "their Islam".

http://mamu.tv/

 

[taul]

You can't deny that majority of Muslims live in the East and a very small minority lives in the west. But majority rules and makes the law in the world and minority has to abide by it. Look at the Islamic countries, don't they make the law because they have muslim majority and disregard the feeling of Minority? The fact is no one has denied the facts as i have stated in my response because u can't. You can only do uneducated arguement such as, look at your nick name, you west lover etc.

In fact we Muslims of the West are thanksful to the west which allow us to make new mosques, spread the word of Allah, Convert christians to Islam, speak freely about the teachings of Islam, host seminars about muslim killing in the world and many other freedoms. I have seen people spreading litrature of Islam on the roads to local people and Shia people having a muharram possession with the horse in the streets of Toronto, Newyork, London and all around the westren world without fear of being arrested or bombed.

Will you than deny that islam is the fastest growing religion in the west? no you can't.

On the otherhand look at the muslim world for example Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. In Saudi, you can't take any book of any other faith except Quran. If you bring it with you, they will take it and though away in the garbage. Can a Qadiani spread his literature in Lahore on the streets? Hell No. He will be charged and hanged from the balls. Don't you think he or she has a right to religious freedom? They are born in Pakistan too, don't they have rights....Look at what stupid Taliban did in Afganistan. They made minority wear a Badge on their chests to make them feel they are lower class citizens...

Metally sick( Talibans and their followers)Muslims are fighting the so called war with the west but in reality only destroying Islam and killing Muslims. Look at the bombing record in the world. you will be shocked to find, these bombs has only killed Muslims in the mosque, Imam bargah, bus station, shops, Plaza's and sufi shrines ONLY Killing Muslim brothers... can you deny that. Wake up people, you are becoming weaker by killing your own.

Islam is spreading in West by means of Love and preaching of the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and Quran. Spreading terror in the west is making people scared of Islam and its teachings. West can only be won by religion if we show them the side of Phophet Mohammad where a women will throw Garbage on him and he will pray for her and she converted. Someone spit on the face of Hazarat Ali and he let him go because he didn't wanted to kill him for personal reasons. Unlike some Khalifa's who will send the message to accept Islam or be ready to be killed. Times have changed my friends.

Today Muslims are in British Parliment, Canadian House of Commons, US congress and many other law making assemblies in the west. If we give peace and love a chance, the day is not far when musilms will be the biggest power in the west. Remember hast makes waste.

--First and foremost you've taken a wild swing while trying vainly to draw a comparison and right from the get go you are plain and completely wrong.......If you wished to draw a rough sketch between the Holiest places in religion it should've been "Saudi Arabia with the Vatican" and then based your vague analysis and thoughts on them.






--Secondly you completely overlooked and/or deliberately sidelined or very well could be purely ignorant of the laws pertaining to and prevailing in the middle-eastern and Gulf countries like UAE,Bahrain,Qatar,Kuwait,Oman and others where Non-Muslims are allowed to drink and even eat pork ( even though both the things are forbidden in the Bible as well ) and moreso a special section is dedicated for Non-muslims in the grocery stores to cater them,stores like spinneys and many more big stores where even being Muslim countries they let them NOT just eat/drink as per their wishes but also do NOT enforce any kinda strict dress codes that need to be adhered to like forcing to cover themselves>>>>so they're allowed to wear skirts and their normal day to day dresses that they adorn while being in their own european countries just like many Arab Christian women as they do too>>>>so a very fair comparison of these Arab Muslim countries needs to be drawn with any european countries including france.





--Again the burka or more accurately the Niqab is NOT just worn by women of any particular Muslim country but has been chosen and adopted willingly by Muslim women from all the different Islamic countries so even if some narrow minded/plagued with prejudice wanted to pinpoint>> unfortunately he/she wouldn't be able to.





--In Egypt being a Muslim country there are alone over 10 million Coptic christians and they're very active in spreading their word and are allowed to.





--Thirdly I believe there are two countries that have been named and prefixed with the "Islamic Republic" that is Pakistan and Iran.........Now the comparison of any Non-Muslim women being asked to cover between the two>>it doesn't even hold true in Pakistan but stands quite true in Iran where in there's a very very strict Implementation ( Not that i mind).




--As far as your concerns about bombings and killings you should not in any way leave out the mayhem that unleashed in Iraq after the US invasion where mehdi militia along with all the different other groups broke free with all the atrocities that could not be imagined even such nonstop scenarios where people were stopped and asked to verify their names and if not liked then prosecuted>>>>and not to mention a bomb blast in a mosque in Iran just couple of days back>>>Looking at the broader picture lets one to analyze more accurately as to the reasons/motives behind such vicious cycles that only seem to gain ground in the presence of stimulating/unfavouring factors.






--Fourthly Europe stands for the "Freedom of expression and Religion" and secular meaning the very basis and foundation that they try to stick out in the western part of the world emanates from them and they need to stick to their rules and by NOT turning their backs on the fundamentals of their foundation so they're the only ones being True Hypocrites>>>Middle eastern countries have laws and they stick by them and so should they>>>>Not much to ask....Had it been a country with their strict code of laws from their own religion that is Christianity and if any clear laws were defined that would not sit well with the Muslims>>>Rest assured we would NOT complain but for the time being they need to uphold and support what they truly stand for that is to atleast Abide by their freedom inspired laws.

 

[karachiwala]

--First and foremost you've taken a wild swing while trying vainly to draw a comparison and right from the get go you are plain and completely wrong.......If you wished to draw a rough sketch between the Holiest places in religion it should've been "Saudi Arabia with the Vatican" and then based your vague analysis and thoughts on them.






--Secondly you completely overlooked and/or deliberately sidelined or very well could be purely ignorant of the laws pertaining to and prevailing in the middle-eastern and Gulf countries like UAE,Bahrain,Qatar,Kuwait,Oman and others where Non-Muslims are allowed to drink and even eat pork ( even though both the things are forbidden in the Bible as well ) and moreso a special section is dedicated for Non-muslims in the grocery stores to cater them,stores like spinneys and many more big stores where even being Muslim countries they let them NOT just eat/drink as per their wishes but also do NOT enforce any kinda strict dress codes that need to be adhered to like forcing to cover themselves>>>>so they're allowed to wear skirts and their normal day to day dresses that they adorn while being in their own european countries just like many Arab Christian women as they do too>>>>so a very fair comparison of these Arab Muslim countries needs to be drawn with any european countries including france.





--Again the burka or more accurately the Niqab is NOT just worn by women of any particular Muslim country but has been chosen and adopted willingly by Muslim women from all the different Islamic countries so even if some narrow minded/plagued with prejudice wanted to pinpoint>> unfortunately he/she wouldn't be able to.





--In Egypt being a Muslim country there are alone over 10 million Coptic christians and they're very active in spreading their word and are allowed to.




--Thirdly I believe there are two countries that have been named and prefixed with the "Islamic Republic" that is Pakistan and Iran......Now the comparison of any Non-Muslim women being asked to cover between the two>>it doesn't even hold true in Pakistan but stands quite true in Iran where in there's a very very strict Implementation ( Not that i mind).




--As far as your concerns about bombings and killings you should not in any way leave out the mayhem that unleashed in Iraq after the US invasion where mehdi militia along with all the different other groups broke free with all the atrocities that could not be imagined even scenarios where people were stopped and asked to verify their names and if not liked then prosecuted>>>>and not to mention a bomb blast in a mosque in Iran just couple of days back>>>Looking at the broader picture lets one to analyze more accurately as to the reasons/motives behind such vicious cycles that only seem to gain ground in the presence of stimulating/unfavouring factors.






--Fourthly Europe stands for the "Freedom of expression and Religion" and secular meaning the very basis and foundation that they try to stick out in the western part of the world emanates from them and they need to stick to their rules and by NOT turning their backs on the fundamentals of their foundation so they're the only ones being True Hypocrites>>>Middle eastern countries have laws and they stick by them and so should they>>>>Not much to ask....Had it been a country with their strict code of laws from their own religion that is Christianity and if any clear laws were defined that would not sit well with the Muslims>>>Rest assured we would NOT complain but for the time being they need to uphold and support what they truly stand for that is to atleast Abide by their freedom inspired laws.

Jazakallah Br. Taul for kind response. Saves naive people like me into messing with STUPIDS like Molson. By the way if anyone is not familiar with Canada Molson is a brand of their most famous beer in Canada. So as one would assume our dashing hero mr. molson is very much like Khurram.k said very naturalized Canadian!

Keep up the good work guys. I am grateful to both you and Khurram for their insight.