Question for Pro-Dialogue mindset

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
After 9/11 when Mush stood with the world to protect pakistan from a full fledged War with Nato . smart people like Imran khan and Noora used the slogan " coward " and "aik call per der gya " and "Amriki Ghulam ".
But Today
Both Nora and IK are Scared of bunch of terrorist.lol
acting soo cowardly that asking army to withdraw troops from their own land. pufff
amrika ki ghulami se nijat dilany k nare lagany wale taliban k ghulam kitne shoq se ban rahy hain .

if you cant fight against few terrorist how were you supposed to fight with the whole world??.

now some of them will try to feel good by saying " ye sub mush ka hi kiya dera hai ". Chlo mush tu derpook tha Ap tu buhader ho na ??
some will say " see even amrika is negotiating with taliban why cant us ?" . well the answer is america is going to give some part of Afghanistan to Taliban to rule but what are you gonna give to talib Fatta, Swat or whole kpk ??.

there are 30 groups of taliban when they attack they come together but one of the group will take the responsibility and other will be named innocent.

if Mush was Coward then what makes IK and noora any different ??
 

fawad ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fighting against our own people is bravery?? More people are killed in karachi in target killing then by any terrorists attacks. let's attack karachi first.
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
مشرف امریکہ کے آگے لیٹ گیا تو امریکی مشرف کے آگے لیٹ گئے
اب اے پی سی والے طالبان کے آگے لیٹ گئے ھیں خیر ھو
 

khanaman

Senator (1k+ posts)
Its not about fear for oneself. We have a major problem at hand and have to figure out a way to resolve it. If dialogue can help then why not. If all the parties are supporting dialogue right now its not because they fear Taliban themselves but they fear for the people of the country. Its not an easy war to win by any stretch of the imagination. You have a huge area to cover with an open border on one side.
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
IK is cleaning mess which was created by BayNazir, Nawaz & Musharaf and he is doing it without being PM of our country.....think before making any comment.
 

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
Fighting against our own people is bravery?? More people are killed in karachi in target killing then by any terrorists attacks. let's attack karachi first.
thats exactly what i am saying .. when mush made a decision to save his people they called him a "coward " now today they are even worst then america . but as you said they are your own people beloved ones .
 

omairAdiL

Voter (50+ posts)
When Turkey said NO to USA did it get attacked ? NO
Fighting with a foreign known identifiable enemy is one thing and fighting with faceless enemy of your own origin is totally another.
The displacement of people on such a mass level is also a huge problem. you are confused about IMRAN KHAN 'stand. He wants dialogue to be tried.
People like you don't get in their mindless head that fighting for 9 years rested in miscalculated outcomes.Taliabn are not dented.Now why not we give dialogue a chance at least for 6 months time. War can be fought any time but dialogue can't be made after a certain time. so no harm in dialogue.
Once after dialogue the still defying taliban can be dealt with militarily.JUST BY THE WAY
AA o na kabhi yaha khoshbo laga kay
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or raho in k saath is jaga ayk maheenay he k liye sahih Lag pata jaiga keyboard warrior (bigsmile)
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
no he is Saving his own ethnic group

hahaha......he only came into power three months back only in one province not whole of Pakistan & that also is coalition....regarding ethnic group seems like you have never seen his party members many are from Punjab & even a seat in Karachi where majority are Urdu speaking people proves otherwise.

Problem is many people have their own personal vendetta against IK & want to settle their personal scores with IK and they are using political scenario for that.

IK never started Bhatta Khori, Bori band lash, Mafia gree in Karachi, IK never started this so called "War on terror", he never gave training to anyone of them.

One thing which we have to understand is no matter they are terrorists of Taliban, MQM or any other organisation we have to given them chance for the sake of peace & Pakistan.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When Turkey said NO to USA did it get attacked ? NO
Fighting with a foreign known identifiable enemy is one thing and fighting with faceless enemy of your own origin is totally another.
The displacement of people on such a mass level is also a huge problem. you are confused about IMRAN KHAN 'stand. He wants dialogue to be tried.
People like you don't get in their mindless head that fighting for 9 years rested in miscalculated outcomes.Taliabn are not dented.Now why not we give dialogue a chance at least for 6 months time. War can be fought any time but dialogue can't be made after a certain time. so no harm in dialogue.
Once after dialogue the still defying taliban can be dealt with militarily.JUST BY THE WAY
AA o na kabhi yaha khoshbo laga kay
o8eb5t.png
or raho in k saath is jaga ayk maheenay he k liye sahih Lag pata jaiga keyboard warrior (bigsmile)


خیموں میں موجود ان لوگوں کا الزام ہمارے نہیں بلکہ عمران خان جیسےلوگوں پر ہے جنہوں نے طالبان کے خلاف قوم کو یکسو ہو کر آپریشن ہی نہیں کرنے دیا۔

ان خیموں سے سے کئی گنا زیادہ خیمے سوات امن ڈیل کی عمرانی و نوازی حماقت کے بعد لگے تھے۔ مگر پھر قوم یکسو ہوئی اور فوج نے قوم کی حمایت پا کر "بھرپور" آپریشن کیا جس میں "ریگولر" آرمی کو استعمال کیا گیا۔

نتیجہ یہ نکلا کہ فوج نے مار مار کر چند دنوں میں ہی طالبان کو نکال باہر کیا۔ اللہ کے فضل سے آج سوات میں امن وامان کی صورتحال طالبانی دور کے مقابلے میں ہزار گنا اچھی ہے، لڑکیوں کے سکول و کالجز کھل گئے ہیں، لوگوں کو زوزآنہ کی بنیاد پر گلے کاٹ کر ذبح نہیں کیا جا رہا ہے، بونیر اور اسلام آباد کی طرف طالبان کی کوئی پیشقدمی نہیں ہو رہی ہے۔


پتا نہیں کتنا احمانہ آرگومینٹ پیش کرتے ہیں پی ٹی آئی والے کہ فوج 9 سال میں کچھ نہیں کر سکی۔

بھائی صاحب، آپ یہ بتلائیں کہ کب آپ قوم والوں نے (عمران خان اور نواز شریف و منور حسن و فضل الرحمان و میڈیا) نے فوج کی پشت پناہی کی ہے کہ وہ طالبان پر "بھرپور" آپریشن کرے؟

صرف ایک سوات میں "ریگولر" آرمی نے بھرپور آپریشن کیا تھا، وگرنہ فاٹا میں ریگولر فوج تعینات نہیں بلکہ ملیشیا مقامی قبائلی امن لشکر کے ساتھ مل کر طالبان کا سامنا کر رہے ہیں۔


ان بزدل لیڈروں نے پوری قوم کو نامرد بنا کر رکھ دیا ہے، پوری فوج کو نامرد بنا کر رکھ دیا ہے۔

 

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
When Turkey said NO to USA did it get attacked ? NO
Fighting with a foreign known identifiable enemy is one thing and fighting with faceless enemy of your own origin is totally another.
The displacement of people on such a mass level is also a huge problem. you are confused about IMRAN KHAN 'stand. He wants dialogue to be tried.
People like you don't get in their mindless head that fighting for 9 years rested in miscalculated outcomes.Taliabn are not dented.Now why not we give dialogue a chance at least for 6 months time. War can be fought any time but dialogue can't be made after a certain time. so no harm in dialogue.
Once after dialogue the still defying taliban can be dealt with militarily.JUST BY THE WAY
AA o na kabhi yaha khoshbo laga kay
o8eb5t.png
or raho in k saath is jaga ayk maheenay he k liye sahih Lag pata jaiga keyboard warrior (bigsmile)
thats the problem instead of condeming the terrorists IK and team keep blaming military like its them who displaced these people its terrorrist who are responsible for this not Gov. IK legitimizing the Attacks on innocent people by calling it a reaction.

and why dont you give example of libya and Iraq ?? turkey is not even close
 

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
hahaha......he only came into power three months back only in one province not whole of Pakistan & that also is coalition....regarding ethnic group seems like you have never seen his party members many are from Punjab & even a seat in Karachi where majority are Urdu speaking people proves otherwise.

Problem is many people have their own personal vendetta against IK & want to settle their personal scores with IK and they are using political scenario for that.

IK never started Bhatta Khori, Bori band lash, Mafia gree in Karachi, IK never started this so called "War on terror", he never gave training to anyone of them.

One thing which we have to understand is no matter they are terrorists of Taliban, MQM or any other organisation we have to given them chance for the sake of peace & Pakistan.
if he is not saving his own ethnic group then why is he supporting operation in karachi why not just give peace a chance and let them kill more innocents ?
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
if he is not saving his own ethnic group then why is he supporting operation in karachi why not just give peace a chance and let them kill more innocents ?

85 % Stakeholder MQM is asking Army to do operation.....check with MQM first, ask them to stop terrorism activities things will settle down.
 

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
85 % Stakeholder MQM is asking Army to do operation.....check with MQM first, ask them to stop terrorism activities things will settle down.
is he supporting the operation or not ??
terrorist should be terrorist does not matter if its MQM PPP or TTP
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
is he supporting the operation or not ??
terrorist should be terrorist does not matter if its MQM PPP or TTP

Karachis problem requires different solution reason being MQM is also a political party & they are in Karachi for last three decades whereas KPK terrorism activities are not done by political party and started 10 years back.....
 

mnalam49

Minister (2k+ posts)
PTI walon kee mujhey yeh aaj tak samajh nahin ayee keh baat taliban kee hotee hai yeh fauran mqm key pechey parh jati hai...arey mqm mein lakhon kharabian hon gee par woh election key process mein hotey hain...election jeettey hain chahey aap lo mano ya na mano log uskey pass hain...mera mqm key sath koee talooq nahin hai koee hamdardi nahin hai par yahan par mqm ko kuch ziada hee gher zaroori taur par target keya jata hai..shaid uski waja yeh hai keh uskey log middle class sey ayey hain aur yeh jo barey log hain woh middle class walon sey dartey hain is leyey bohot ziada dis information uskey barey mein phelai ja rahi hain....mujhey mqm key idealogy mein to koee aisi cheez nazar nahin keh is mein kharabi ho..haan ho sakta hai uskey kuch logon ney tashaddad ka rasta ikhtiar keya ho par yeh to sab log kartey rahey hain jaisey jumaat islami ney keya east pakistan mein...ppp karti rahi hai purey mulk mein jab uski govt thi 1977 tak...phir samajh nahin ati keh har cheez mein mqm ko keon blame keya ja raha hai
 

chargootay

MPA (400+ posts)
I am from FATA.

Have you even seen how those in FATA live?
We have moved to Peshawar because of the shelling from army.
There is curfew after Maghrib everyday.

We dont have food, shelter, school, hospitals and peace there.
Its been ten years now..
Have you ever heard a single person saying "we are winning this war " or "we can win this war"

last 10 yrs say army has been doing an operstion there.. how safe is FATA and KPK now? it shd have been safer if that is yr logic!

and yes, if you want to continue the militaryoperation in fata, why not do one in South punjab and karachi ? arent they the sanctuaries for the terrorists?
 

RANA Sana'a

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am from FATA.

Have you even seen how those in FATA live?
We have moved to Peshawar because of the shelling from army.
There is curfew after Maghrib everyday.

We dont have food, shelter, school, hospitals and peace there.
Its been ten years now..
Have you ever heard a single person saying "we are winning this war " or "we can win this war"

last 10 yrs say army has been doing an operstion there.. how safe is FATA and KPK now? it shd have been safer if that is yr logic!

and yes, if you want to continue the militaryoperation in fata, why not do one in South punjab and karachi ? arent they the sanctuaries for the terrorists?
they need a full fledged operation so far army was just responding to Attacks . where ever terrorist are operation should be conducted . swat type operation is required. Dialogue may stop the violence but temporarily next time they will be more stronger.
 

chargootay

MPA (400+ posts)
We voted IK because he promised he will talk to these b@st@rds.. we had earlier voted for ANp for the same reason..

You are nowhere near FATA, you dont understnad the cr@p we get into because of armchair strategists like you!
PLease clear karachi and south punjab first.. they are producing more terrorists than us

they need a full fledged operation so far army was just responding to Attacks . where ever terrorist are operation should be conducted . swat type operation is required. Dialogue may stop the violence but temporarily next time they will be more stronger.