Rameez Chaudhry
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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PTI to table resolution in NA to remove ECP members
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Innhu nay pehlay kon sa kaam dang ka kia hay ju ab karaingay.
In the whole Case they didn't drage any member and now wasting further time on such useless and dead issue. These members have to be finished in 10 months time anyway but they are just reducing their embarassment.
The easiest thing would be that PTI should boycott any elections under the same ECP till their resignation and should file an unnecessory petition in high court regarding LBs elections in Punjab to delay the elections till there tenure finish in May 2016.
Haristotle
Minister (2k+ posts)
Meaning ECP remembers have done a wonderful job and must retain their positions so that same results can be achieved in the next election?
I agree there should be reforms in every department of the Govt, however why not start with what they think is reason for their defeat in the election?
why will it be wasted effort?
If their tenure is ending before next election, reforms in ECP will be even more important, so instead of calling it "removal of the members" it should table "reforms bill" for the ECP.
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zain_zafar2012
Voter (50+ posts)
No pti should shoud put pressure on gov to have electronic voting
yar ap chahty ho ecp members faker k sath apna tenure pora karain.. or sath usi adlia k pass wapis jny ko bol rahy ho jis sa iinsaf ki umeed nhi
So what do you think any party will take side with PTI in this matter? Without the supporr of Nooras, if all the parliament get unite, they wouldn't be able to remove them and why would PPP or PMLN or MQM etc remove their 'Mohsineen'?
PTI is just trying to reduce its embaresment and nothing else. If they have guts, then they should boycott every elections under the same ECP till their resignations.
Yar their tenure is ending in Jun 2016 which will be far ahead of next general elections.
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Another waste of time nothing will come of it and even if election commission are forced to resign, the ones that take there place will be the same. Topi drama....
PML N will be laughing at this and if I were them I would drag this issue as long as needed, 12 months down the line they will agree and put like minded people in there place. As for PTI they will think they have azchieved something, but on the other side PML N will be laughing there pants off.
Election commission is only part of the problem, who will STOP police and patwari who help rigg elections for stataus quo. Who will ensure the people who miscount in booths do not do that.
I think PTI has too STOP living in fools Paradise and wake up. Status Quo will not allow free elections becAuse they know once they go the possibility of them coming back will be very low. It cud be the end of there politics. The way which I think is possible is if Genral Raheel gets involved and ensures it, but will he ?
Before 2013 elections I thought the same thing that elections will be a fraud, and if they are to be fair then General Kiyani will have to oversee it. But we all know what General Kiyani did in last elections.
So what does PTI do.
(1). Perform exceedingly in KPK, police , education, health etc . Have to be Spot on. This will be the selling point for PTI in next elections.
(2). Intra party elections, last time there were too many shortcomings this time they have to be prepared. Bio metric system has to be used district by district, take your time no rush. Tabdeeli razaakars from different provinces should come and conduct the polls inside booths to ensure that everything is cosure.
KPK has to be Spot on in other words media should have no issues with it and anchors should be saying good things about there performance. If performance of KPK is excellent and they can get Intra party elections right. Then there are almost there.....
Too counterattack rigging firstly before elections we need a wave throughout Punjab with performance selling point and newly elected Intra party.candidates this is possible. By a wave I mean 4 out of every 5 people asked who they gonna vote they say PTI.
Also finally PTI should find a way to get out of parliament. But they have to have good grounds for it.....
As for election commission stick with it and push for bio metric system and ask for army in booths next election.Not that they will agree but PTI can use these issues against status quo and EC. The most important thing is 6 months before elections PTI should be in a position that there is a wave in Punjab.
PML N will be laughing at this and if I were them I would drag this issue as long as needed, 12 months down the line they will agree and put like minded people in there place. As for PTI they will think they have azchieved something, but on the other side PML N will be laughing there pants off.
Election commission is only part of the problem, who will STOP police and patwari who help rigg elections for stataus quo. Who will ensure the people who miscount in booths do not do that.
I think PTI has too STOP living in fools Paradise and wake up. Status Quo will not allow free elections becAuse they know once they go the possibility of them coming back will be very low. It cud be the end of there politics. The way which I think is possible is if Genral Raheel gets involved and ensures it, but will he ?
Before 2013 elections I thought the same thing that elections will be a fraud, and if they are to be fair then General Kiyani will have to oversee it. But we all know what General Kiyani did in last elections.
So what does PTI do.
(1). Perform exceedingly in KPK, police , education, health etc . Have to be Spot on. This will be the selling point for PTI in next elections.
(2). Intra party elections, last time there were too many shortcomings this time they have to be prepared. Bio metric system has to be used district by district, take your time no rush. Tabdeeli razaakars from different provinces should come and conduct the polls inside booths to ensure that everything is cosure.
KPK has to be Spot on in other words media should have no issues with it and anchors should be saying good things about there performance. If performance of KPK is excellent and they can get Intra party elections right. Then there are almost there.....
Too counterattack rigging firstly before elections we need a wave throughout Punjab with performance selling point and newly elected Intra party.candidates this is possible. By a wave I mean 4 out of every 5 people asked who they gonna vote they say PTI.
Also finally PTI should find a way to get out of parliament. But they have to have good grounds for it.....
As for election commission stick with it and push for bio metric system and ask for army in booths next election.Not that they will agree but PTI can use these issues against status quo and EC. The most important thing is 6 months before elections PTI should be in a position that there is a wave in Punjab.
ThirdUmpireFinger
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
under law Government can not remove ECP officials and also those who conducted 2013 election are retired. Even a peon will not resign on pti request let alone ECP memebers.
I disagree with you brother PML N would love PTI too push for removal off election commsion, they would love to see PTI 8 months down the line give a deadline that they will resign if EC is not removed. Beca use all they have to do is boot them out and pay them a huge sum for there services and then place like minded people in there place. PML N will be laughing in there pants.
As for PTI they will think they have achieved something but in reality in will be another slap across our faces by status quo
Janab jis report ko base bana k ap 2013 ka election neat & clean kh rhy hain usi report main usi ecp or unhi ecp membrans k khilaf likha jinho nai 2013 ka election kerwaya tha.. or ap ki bat sahi hai govt remove nhi ker skti per reference bhej skti hai...
Haristotle
Minister (2k+ posts)
That is good, then PTI should make sure that clean people (I am not sure what heavens will clean people come from) are members of the ECP and also that ECP has will to exercise its powers under the constitution. 35 years of rule in Punjab has given PMLN such a grip on the civil establishment that absolutely nothing can happen without the approval of the House of the Sharifs. It is a big task, a huge task to take a corrupt system head on.
BTW too much ifs and buts in your statements which show that you don't know the selection mechanism of them.
Talk with facts and the facts are that their legal tenure will be finished in June 2016.
Plus Nooras can't place their like minded people in place as they will to consulte PTI in the nomination of EC for Punjab by law. Plus KP will do its own from KP. Sindh and Baluchistan may also consult but if they even didn't, it wouldn't affect PTI as PTI's stacks are low in Sindh and Baluchistan.
Talk with facts and the facts are that their legal tenure will be finished in June 2016.
Plus Nooras can't place their like minded people in place as they will to consulte PTI in the nomination of EC for Punjab by law. Plus KP will do its own from KP. Sindh and Baluchistan may also consult but if they even didn't, it wouldn't affect PTI as PTI's stacks are low in Sindh and Baluchistan.
Bro! Nooras are very clever and cunning. PTI needs to think bit ahead of them to counter but I don't see that much wise person in PTI who can counter them. Plus PTI is full of Other parties' agents. I am afraid with current leadership, PTI wouldn't be able to win even in 2018 whether Elections are 100 free and Fair as long as PTI doesn't kick Ghaddar from it and become more focus in their election planes far ahead of elections instead of making 1 million Tabdeeli Razakar just 20 days before elections. Last time there must be rigging but PTI was just not too much serious about winning elections.
Fakhruddin Bhai was selected I we agreed what happened? After woulds they put there own like minded people in as well. They consulted last time with us as well what happened? JC commission was consulted with us what happened?
yes there legal tenure will end 2016, and then what the devils will allow angels to sit in there place?
Whether they go or not situation will stay most probably stay same. And is somehow someone in EC is selected that does not follow the wishes of PML N he will be Booted out, law or no law they do not care.
Its and buts ? What do u mean?
That consultation was not binding mate but now being an opposition leader in Punjab, PMLN is bound to lesten PTI otherwise it would be difficult to select anyone.
Fakhru was a blunder but PTI had no legal position at that time so that it say would have any weightage. Had they not asked PTI, PTI couldn't compell them.
Plus the 4 Provincial members were selected in very hasty way (in just 2-3 days and without any consultation) on the order of the then SC.
In selecting members from Punjab and KP, PTI would have definetly a strong say. The other two are optionals.
