Post Nawaz Sharif scenario and threats to Pakistan.

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Post Nawaz Sharif scenario and threats to Pakistan.

Scenario that is being emerging as a result of disqualification of Nawaz Sharif reminding me of post Bhutto (1977) and post Nawaz Sharif (1999) with many similarities and few dissimilarities.

ZA Bhutto was dethroned on the pretext of irregularities in 1977 elections and as a result of NIZAM-e-MUSTAFA movement. There was a popular sentiment in favour of Islamic rule, and to appease these sentiments Zia ul Haque used his Martial law powers and imposed some shariah laws which got some mixed reaction but were largely opposed by educated class and most of those laws proved to have no relation with actual shariah law. But eventually these actions of then government proved to be successful to appease the general populace.

In 1999 another dictator dethroned another elected dictator. There were 4 continuous dismemberments of 3 governments by then Presidents on a single charge of corruption and nepotism. Nawaz Sharif was again after thrown out of PM House faced the same charges and there were general public sentiments against the corruption. Pervez Musharraf used these sentiments and his NAB then nabbed many politicians and his those actions were largely applauded. But Pervez Musharraf used this weapon as pressure tool and got politicians to favour him and ultimately, he proved himself not different from his political predecessors.

Now came the Panama papers and Imran Khan used panama papers for his political ascendency, although his mission was to rid Pakistan of corruption, nepotism and rule of law and Panama Papers gave him very effective weapon, which he used effectively to get rid of his biggest rival and real threat to his coming to power.

His ascendency to political power and possible PM ship is giving rise to same sentiments against the corruption and this time more powerful then ever. Unfortunately, it looks that again our political, military and judiciary has failed to understand real sentiments of people of Pakistan. They have resorted to same appeasing actions. They got rid of their main rival Nawaz Sharif, (although rightly as he lost all reasons to remain in power) and probably they will keep this drama of accountability for some time and when feel that every thing has come to normalcy, will resort back to their past practices.

In first two happening Martial law was the end result. In last episode knowing that Martial law was not possible, establishment used its Army and judiciary power to dethrone (yes dethrone, as all PMs proved their self a king not an elected leader) and in latest action against NS we saw another PM who was virtually powerless and was only able to save his own skin and his masters skin from NAB.

Now coming to point weather actions being taken against corrupts are real or just to appease the large population. It optics unfortunately are pointing to an eyewash again. As I said earlier people of 2018 are different and if corrupts are left alone then their there will be a popular uprising, totally against the past uprising and movements. It will be a real revolution and in the hands of mob. No one, even army would not be able to control that uprising and end result could be devastating and may not be good. To avoid this situation good people in establishment, including military, judiciary, bureaucracy, politics, business should play their role effectively to make this movement against corruption and for accountability successful and with play their role with full force.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Its interesting that you said that the people this time will turn in to a big mob . You also seem to be advising the boots to do something before that happens. Let me tell you something , this time you will see the boots hanging from the lamp posts all over the country. And they are the real culprits who messed up the country. This time people will take them out from their hideouts and punish them . Last few months have shown them enough , enough to enrage them with their acts and their behind the doors deals.
 

Anonymous Paki

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its interesting that you said that the people this time will turn in to a big mob . You also seem to be advising the boots to do something before that happens. Let me tell you something , this time you will see the boots hanging from the lamp posts all over the country. And they are the real culprits who messed up the country. This time people will take them out from their hideouts and punish them . Last few months have shown them enough , enough to enrage them with their acts and their behind the doors deals.

Did boots make Nawaz Sharif do corruption? did they brought out panama scandal

The issue is that these corrupt politicians force boots to take action when they have no other choice left and that is the bottom line
 

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Its interesting that you said that the people this time will turn in to a big mob . You also seem to be advising the boots to do something before that happens. Let me tell you something , this time you will see the boots hanging from the lamp posts all over the country. And they are the real culprits who messed up the country. This time people will take them out from their hideouts and punish them . Last few months have shown them enough , enough to enrage them with their acts and their behind the doors deals.
I never suggested that army intervene but army is part of the establishment and the most powerful player. Panama case decision would not have been possible without their oversight. I am only suggesting that they play their due role to save Pakistan from chaos and disaster resulting in case right accountability process is not followed and only eye wash is done. Eye wash this time, in my view would not be acceptable to masses.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I never suggested that army intervene but army is part of the establishment and the most powerful player. Panama case decision would not have been possible without their oversight. I am only suggesting that they play their due role to save Pakistan from chaos and disaster resulting in case right accountability process is not followed and only eye wash is done. Eye wash this time, in my view would not be acceptable to masses.


There is a history of this Army interference in the country , its internal affairs, its kingmaker and its very destructive internal divide and win policy . The country has suffered a lot in terms of its unity and the fragility of the civilian setups. I can see how you are also agree that without the Army arms twisting of this fake independent Jury, the Panama verdict was hard to come . The entire case was thrown in the court on pure political basis . It is a political motivated case and the result speak louder than words in the decision. The current polarization of this nation is once again due to the stubborn and unstoppable interference of country's secret agencies and they are up to their old habits again , trying to bribe, blackmail and threaten the present Candidates to change their loyalties .

Every Pakistani is in favor of accountability but this is not accountability on the name of accountability. It is a clear witch hunt and a very selective approach to push one party out of the electoral process.Even a blind ,deaf and dumb can see what is happening in the country today . No civil society will accept this selective accountability and the history will put this exercise of power in the same shelf it has put other exercises of power to make king party and present the power in a platter. Only an Insane person who is deprive of its nature instinct of thinking and analyzing will call these election fair and transparent.
 
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khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
There is a history of this Army interference in the country , its internal affairs, its kingmaker and its very destructive internal divide and win policy . The country has suffered a lot in terms of its unity and the fragility of the civilian setups. I can see how you are also agree that without the Army arms twisting of this fake independent Jury, the Panama verdict was hard to come . The entire case was thrown in the court on pure political basis . It is a political motivated case and the result speak louder than words in the decision. The current polarization of this nation is once again due to the stubborn and unstoppable interference of country's secret agencies and they are up to their old habits again , trying to bribe, blackmail and threaten the present Candidates to change their loyalties .

Every Pakistani is in favor of accountability but this is not accountability on the name of accountability. It is a clear witch hunt and a very selective approach to push one party out of the electoral process.Even a blind ,deaf and dumb can see what is happening in the country today . No civil society will accept this selective accountability and the history will put this exercise of power in the same shelf it has put other exercises of power to make king party and present the power in a platter. Only an Insane person who is deprive of its nature instinct of thinking and analyzing will call these election fair and transparent.
Come on man. Nawaz Sharif never able to produce a single paper to justify his overseas assets. I don't know on what grounds you are dubbing it POLITICAL MOTIVATED. Fact of matter is that NS has purchased most in bureaucracy, judiciary, businessmen and some in Army. Only Panama papers ( which caused global hue and cry and many PMs, Presidents, Ministers had to resigns and many businessman have been nabbed and you are calling it Politically motivated) made it possible for some saner elements in these ranks to standup, act rightly and get rid of this SHARIF Cancer.
So far military intervention is concerned, i am totally opposed to it because complete authority make person complete corrupt but playing every one,s role is not only justified but should be applauded.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Come on man. Nawaz Sharif never able to produce a single paper to justify his overseas assets. I don't know on what grounds you are dubbing it POLITICAL MOTIVATED. Fact of matter is that NS has purchased most in bureaucracy, judiciary, businessmen and some in Army. Only Panama papers ( which caused global hue and cry and many PMs, Presidents, Ministers had to resigns and many businessman have been nabbed and you are calling it Politically motivated) made it possible for some saner elements in these ranks to standup, act rightly and get rid of this SHARIF Cancer.
So far military intervention is concerned, i am totally opposed to it because complete authority make person complete corrupt but playing every one,s role is not only justified but should be applauded.

You seem to be much influenced by this selective justice and it seems to me that you are calling it fair and honorable. What proof was present against NS that the money which was used to purchase these properties was the corruption money let alone any proof that it is on NS name ? NS 's name was not in panama papers . Had there any proof of his corruption , the final decision were not made relying on the definition of an asset from the Law dictionary. The decision to disqualify him wouldn't have been made on Iqama but on his corruption . And this is why it was politically motivated case which was called frivolous earlier on .

The road to destruction starts when the rouge army doesn't budge interfering with state affairs and always conspire to undermine the civilian set up. Pakistani Army has been doing it for ages. They got the expertise now how to use the Judiciary to get what they use to get by toppling the civilian set up. It is our history which is hard to forget. The present election is an open fraudulent and manipulated election we ever seen where the Judiciary is an equal partner to the crime.
 

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Bhai jan Nawaz Sharif and his family accepted the ownership of those assets and under NAB law which is being applied to all on same ground that owner has to prove their ownership is legal. This is not only in Pakistan but now same law is being applied all over the world. In India, Australia and many other countries assets have been confiscated on the charges that owner could not prove that those were acquired by legal means. Nawaz Sharif is being dealt with pure Pakistani law which is not only applicable on all and sundry but to resourceful person such as NS. If he has rightfully acquired these assets then why not he is providing evidence and get out of this , that you guys are objecting for nothing.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Bhai jan Nawaz Sharif and his family accepted the ownership of those assets and under NAB law which is being applied to all on same ground that owner has to prove their ownership is legal. This is not only in Pakistan but now same law is being applied all over the world. In India, Australia and many other countries assets have been confiscated on the charges that owner could not prove that those were acquired by legal means. Nawaz Sharif is being dealt with pure Pakistani law which is not only applicable on all and sundry but to resourceful person such as NS. If he has rightfully acquired these assets then why not he is providing evidence and get out of this , that you guys are objecting for nothing.

None of the evidences which were provided were accepted by either the SC or allowed in the NAB court. The determination of the ownership of these properties were not established and even NAB prosecutor said that it was not proven to be on NS 's name. It s very easy for you to say that if he can provide the evidence , it would be accepted. There is a long history of these properties and there are several ownership which took place . None of the JIT investigation members were able to link the transfer of money from Pakistan to abroad which is use to purchase these properties. If the court has any reservation about the Qatri Royal , then they should have allowed him to provide the video testimony to the NAB or SC . They didn't accept his letter and even the subsequent letters which he wrote to support his original letter. This case was all hogwash and nothing more than a trap to ultimately turn everything against NS. The way they selected the members of the JIT, Inclusion of ISI in the investigation team , and the selection of a particular member on a whats-up call , are all for everyone to see.

And what is happening right now is a continuation of that policy . The PMLN is the only target and their members one after another by this filthy Judiciary which is a mockery of justice in Pakistan . Just study the Khakan Abbasi's case and his disqualification. Even the known poodle of this Judiciary and Khakan Abbasi's opponent Fawad Chuhdry condemned the Judge and the appellant court. What else you need to be convinced. Its selective accountability and it appears that only NS is corrupt and no one else .. This is a Pakistani Justice. No wonder no one trusts this judiciary system and judges.