PM Imran's helicopter trips cost 'much more' than being claimed: report

[PTI-Zindabad]

You can direct the concerns to the tribune, why are you keep quoting me?

No reason, you created the thread and I expect better logic and research from an educated PTI supporter than mindlessly sharing unsubstantiated articles, I guess.

 

[younus]

https://manhattanhelicopters.com/
it cost you $209 (remember they make lots of profit too + pay tax) for 15 mins ride. Its business and they make profit and pay their taxes too. this is not the case in case of a govt heli-ride. now you do the math yourself. in fact it does not cost that much.... its cheaper for small rides

 

[mskhan]

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry, while speaking to a local television channel, defended the PTI chief’s use of the helicopter by saying that “the average cost is about Rs50-55 per km”.

According to BBC Urdu, the cost of the trip is in stark contrast to Chaudhry’s claim.

The distance between the former cricketer’s residence in Bani Gala and the PM Secretariat is 15 kilometres. In aviation terms, this comes down to 8 nautical miles. The government owns seven helicopters of the same kind, with two at the prime minister’s disposal. Rs16,000 is the amount spent on travelling one nautical mile.

According to a retired army aviation officer, “a helicopter whether or not it is operated, costs thousands of rupees at start off, so it would be childish to say otherwise. Such a claim can only be made due to lack of knowledge.”


Source:

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1789927/1-pm-imrans-helicopter-trips-cost-way-much-claimed-report/

He talked about fuel costs, how many mileage it does per gallon, these fucking aviation cocks are including all the costs, here is exactly what it costs on fuel:
A Robinson R44 Raven II consumes 7.19 miles per gallon, (around 11.5 kilometres) jet fuel is 250 rupees per galleon, so this particular helicopter consumes around 25 rupees per kilometre. And I think this is the estimate he quoted. The Augusta Westland 139 which is a bigger helicopter and carry’s 12 passenger does .45 km per litre( around 120 rupees/km). The AW 139 cost 120 rupees per kilometre for fuel, but the costs of the helicopter is around $10 million dollar. Those who are craving for a helicopter in Naya Pakistan can have one for $10 million dollars and travel in it for 120 rupees per kilometre.
Eurocopter EC130, costs around 60 rupees per kilometre

Prime minister office owns the helicopter, so operating charges are the same whether he travel in it or not. Fawad Chaudhry estimates are absolutely accurate.

 

[Spartacus]

Just image if the cost of his weekend trip cost 50 thousands Pak Rupees then still it is the cheapest.
How ??
1. There is no protocol and stoppage on the road becase of PM visit to his home Bani Gala
and people would save more than 50000 in total ( They will stop on road and petrol would burn — Severl thousands of Car , bike , etc etc )
2. 1000s of People do not need to waste their valuable time becase PM has to travel on the road .
2b .No need to secure the way of PM ( during his traveling from PM house to Bani Gala )
3. PM will save some time which he would use for the progress of Pakistan .
It is really stupid to criticize on such issues.

IK and PTI , you do not need to give value to such stupidity of media and stupid opponents.

 

[Unlettered]

No reason, you created the thread and I expect better logic and research from an educated PTI supporter than mindlessly sharing unsubstantiated articles, I guess.

Well my username suggests otherwise. Anyways, I shared the articles in anticipation that they will be quoted in the electronic media today or in the upcoming days so can the educated PTI supporters will be ready.

 

[Birdie101]

Anybody with a brain knows.I doubt anybody in Pakistan believed in Fawad Chaudhry stupid claims.I agree with Fawad logic of using government helicopter but please don't say stupid things about cost.

 

[Eyeaan]

For the air time, Air travel will always be 'fuel efficient" when compared to "on road travel (on average 2 times), though for take off their is an additional fuel cost + occupancy will determine the per pessenger fuel costs . Fawad's statement was about the fuel costs not about the fixed costs. However Express article's whole purpose was to confuse the public and muddy the issue. Not only it was confused but at some points contradictory as well.

The long distance travel by air (including all cost)/passenger/km is cheaper when compared to other modes of travel. (Though the actual costs vary depending upon the occupancy.) That's the reason aviation industry is prospering.

Biking is the most energy efficient mode of door-to-door travel and most economical overall. Nooni media (including klasra, Arshad Shareef etc.) are requested to run campaign for why IK is not biking from Banigala to PM House. And why PM is wasting public money by not biking and has broken his promise.

 

[Tyrion Lannister]

chutiyo chor do uski jaan 20 saal helicopter pe niharyan ate rhe hen sbki maa mri hue the, imran corrupt nahi to ise baat pe bc bn jao sare

 

[Imran Siddiqi]

Thats not the point, the point is why lie?

Lie about what. The expense Fawad Chaudhry referred to is Fuel Expense. The other expense is there no matter what Use it or not.
Helicopter rides are not that expensive. This is not for profit company. only the expense that is incurred. In case of PM its mainly the Fuel Cost.
If Imran Khan's Family starts using the Helicopter then its an issue even if its 10 rupees.

 

[Unlettered]

Lie about what. The expense Fawad Chaudhry referred to is Fuel Expense. The other expense is there no matter what Use it or not.
Helicopter rides are not that expensive. This is not for profit company. only the expense that is incurred. In case of PM its mainly the Fuel Cost.
If Imran Khan's Family starts using the Helicopter then its an issue even if its 10 rupees.

Call it a lie or error in judgement, the whole useless controversy could have easily been avoided by just saying that it was the best available option for PM considering the security concerns without giving any numbers.

 

[KhanSuppporter]

Thats not the point, the point is why lie?

So, let’s say if you don’t use the helicopter it costs Rs 20000/day. If you use it, it costs Rs 22000/day. What’s the cost of using it, smart ass?

 

[Unlettered]

So, let’s say if you don’t use the helicopter it costs Rs 20000/day. If you use it, it costs Rs 22000/day. What’s the cost of using it, smart ass?

Agreed, as stated earlier it could have been avoided by a simple statement that this mode of transport is the best choice given the circumstances.

Call it a lie or error in judgement, the whole useless controversy could have easily been avoided by just saying that it was the best available option for PM considering the security concerns without giving any numbers.

 

[Ali Sha]

Why the hell our we pti supporters defending this. If Nawaz and Zardari did wrong, that doesn't justify our leaders actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. The austerity thing will badly fail if the leader isn't careful in trying to saving every penny of the state. Just don't do it from now onwards. We have high hopes from you.

 

[Notpersonal]

Its PM helikopter . He can use it without telling u . U all fuckking jalous . Buy ur own if u have Pain in The backside

 

[salmantkhan]

Why the hell our we pti supporters defending this. If Nawaz and Zardari did wrong, that doesn't justify our leaders actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. The austerity thing will badly fail if the leader isn't careful in trying to saving every penny of the state. Just don't do it from now onwards. We have high hopes from you.

I really don't understand, why is there an issue with this, is he going on a trip to Disneyland with the helicopter, or is he ordering food via the helicopter. If the concern was Imran Khan misusing, like the video of Nawaz Sharif having flowers thrown on him while traveling on motorway, then I'd be angry as hell at Imran Khan, but the problem lies in how the media made this a headline issue. If the cost of motorcade is more than the cost of traveling by helicopter to Bani Gala, then by all means let Imran Khan use a helicopter.

 

[Imran Siddiqi]

Call it a lie or error in judgement, the whole useless controversy could have easily been avoided by just saying that it was the best available option for PM considering the security concerns without giving any numbers.

Agreed!!

 

[Imran Siddiqi]

So, let’s say if you don’t use the helicopter it costs Rs 20000/day. If you use it, it costs Rs 22000/day. What’s the cost of using it, smart ass?

Rs 2000 unless we decide to Auction them as well.

 

[saadmahhmood83]

Rs 16,000 per aeronautical mile? Here in Canada you can get a helicopter and an instructor give you a 75 KM ride for an hour in less than $150 or Rs 14000 and that is with all wear and tear, labor, profit and maintenance built in. What world are you living in?

بی بی سی اردو نے اپنے آرٹیکل میں 1600 روپے پر ناٹیکل میل لکھا ہے۔۔

ایکسپریس ٹربیوں نے 16000 بنا دیا ہے جو کہ غلط ہے۔

 

[saadmahhmood83]

First of all and you can check on google maps the distance as the crow flies is 7 kms not 15, 14kms for a round trip. And when you are calculate your fuel usage for trip in your car, do you add ownership and maintenance costs for your car to those trips?

Aviation on a personal basis is expensive because of all the added taxes, airport fees, ground handling, logistics so on and so forth, actual fuel usage is not very expensive, specially on a small to medium sized helicopters. Which is what only the govt has to pay or consider in this case. As mentioned earlier the choppers are already there, whether being used or not.

Check out these people they flew around the world in a R44 and if you watch the entire series you will realise its not too expensive

Also these guys flew around the world in a small single prop plane, watch the whole series also to get an idea outside of buying the aircraft its not too expensive.

عمران خان آر 44 ہیلی کاپیٹر یوز نہیں کر رہے۔۔یہ تو ٹرینر ہیلی کاپٹر ہے ۔۔۔پاکستانی ویزاعظم آگسٹا 139 ہیلی کاپٹر یوز کرتا ہے جس کی فیول کنزمپشن 150 گیلن فی گھنٹہ ہے۔۔جبکہ آر 44 کی صرف 20 گیلن فی گھنٹہ ہے

 

[saadmahhmood83]

He talked about fuel costs, how many mileage it does per gallon, these fucking aviation cocks are including all the costs, here is exactly what it costs on fuel:
A Robinson R44 Raven II consumes 7.19 miles per gallon, (around 11.5 kilometres) jet fuel is 250 rupees per galleon, so this particular helicopter consumes around 25 rupees per kilometre. And I think this is the estimate he quoted. The Augusta Westland 139 which is a bigger helicopter and carry’s 12 passenger does .45 km per litre( around 120 rupees/km). The AW 139 cost 120 rupees per kilometre for fuel, but the costs of the helicopter is around $10 million dollar. Those who are craving for a helicopter in Naya Pakistan can have one for $10 million dollars and travel in it for 120 rupees per kilometre.
Eurocopter EC130, costs around 60 rupees per kilometre

Prime minister office owns the helicopter, so operating charges are the same whether he travel in it or not. Fawad Chaudhry estimates are absolutely accurate.

عمران خان آر 44 ہیلی کاپیٹر یوز نہیں کر رہے۔۔یہ تو ٹرینر ہیلی کاپٹر ہے ۔۔۔پاکستانی وزیراعظم آگسٹا 139 ہیلی کاپٹر یوز کرتا ہے جس کی فیول کنزمپشن 150 گیلن فی گھنٹہ ہے۔۔جبکہ آر 44 کی صرف 20 گیلن فی گھنٹہ ہ ہے