muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اس سے آپ کو اندازہ ہو سکتا ہے کیسے سیکھ ازم، مرزئیت اور دیگر افراد نے اپنے جھوٹ اور عمل سے غیر مسلم اور مسلمانوں سے اسلام کا منہ پھیرا۔
اُس قیامت کے دن صرف عذاب جنہم ہی اُن کو مقدر ہو گا۔
People who LiE and say it's Word of GOD
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اس سے آپ کو اندازہ ہو سکتا ہے کیسے سیکھ ازم، مرزئیت اور دیگر افراد نے اپنے جھوٹ اور عمل سے غیر مسلم اور مسلمانوں سے اسلام کا منہ پھیرا۔
اُس قیامت کے دن صرف عذاب جنہم ہی اُن کو مقدر ہو گا۔
imran_hosein_fan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Other religions r respected when they r based on truth, and the truth is there is only one GOD , those who agree are our brothers!
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قرآن کی آیات پر تنقیدی بکواس بند کر
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muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Look at the characterless that even the words of Quran are questioned by this liar with fawad ali Ali in his name. How can these people even be Muslim. These are the TRUE hypocrites kuffar inside Muslims.
Since when people need your certificate to be called Muslim? Tum kab sai self declared thekedar ban gayay ho? If you fail in your arguments, dont throw your extremist fatwas at me.
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Since u reject/question Quran, u have no place in Islam.
Islamic teachings do not allow me to degrade other religions. The example that i would follow is of Holy Prophet pbuh. Since you do not believe in examples set by him and are more of a follow of dr. Israr, i guess we understand who is muslim and who is not here.
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یوں نہیں پر ہم پھینک مارتے ہیں سچ کو جھوٹ پر پھر وہ اُس کا سر پھوڑ ڈالتا ہے پھر وہ جاتا رہتا ہے اور تمہارے لئے خرابی ہے اُن باتوں سے جو تم بتلاتے ہو
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ - 109:2
وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ - 109:3
وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدتُّمْ - 109:4
وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ - 109:5
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
then
لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ - 109:6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Only after absolute definition comes clarity not like a like of shiaism.
So don't present a one line to lie, u r probably a shia liar who don't even believe in the Quran as most shias don't in it's purity. So you have no place in Islam or anything in Quran for you.
I am a Sunni Muslim but i have equal respect for our Shia brothers.
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Well technically it is also a lie to say that Quran is the word of God. You can say that I believe that Quran is the word of God, but you cannot say that Quran is actually the word of God.
All religions whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or Hinduism, they are all based on faith, you believe it because you were born in a family, culture, society and country that believes in it, not because we have conclusive evidence to determine it to be true.
So we have no better evidence to support Sunni Islam than to support Christianity, Hinduism, Tooth fairies or Santa Claus, therefore you are in no position to belittle any other religion. You have a right to believe what ever you want but don't belittle other people for their beliefs.
There is nothing special about what you believe in other than the fact that you were born in a specific belief system out of sheer chance.
All religions whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or Hinduism, they are all based on faith, you believe it because you were born in a family, culture, society and country that believes in it, not because we have conclusive evidence to determine it to be true.
So we have no better evidence to support Sunni Islam than to support Christianity, Hinduism, Tooth fairies or Santa Claus, therefore you are in no position to belittle any other religion. You have a right to believe what ever you want but don't belittle other people for their beliefs.
There is nothing special about what you believe in other than the fact that you were born in a specific belief system out of sheer chance.
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No religion is based on truth, all religions are based on faith and faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. The most reliable to pathway to truth is experimenting and evaluating evidence from studying the world around us. So far we have no evidence of any God or any supernatural being, whether it is God, Tooth Fairy, Angels, Spirits, Flying Spaghetti Monster Etc Etc.
It is unfortunate that the most intelligent country in the Muslim world removed Logic & Reasoning from our school curriculum and replaced it with Islamiat and Religious Dogma. We have a whole generation of youngsters who are very bright but are not taught how to think but taught what to think.
This is a very bright individual from Karachi who often calls on this show. You can tell from his English that he is very educated, respectful and probably one of the privileged individual in Pakistani society, but what is really sad is that he has no grasp on how to analyze evidence, logical fallacies and how to come up with basic arguments. This is a good example of how our education system is poisoning the minds of our youths. Its teaching us what to think but not how to think.
It is unfortunate that the most intelligent country in the Muslim world removed Logic & Reasoning from our school curriculum and replaced it with Islamiat and Religious Dogma. We have a whole generation of youngsters who are very bright but are not taught how to think but taught what to think.
This is a very bright individual from Karachi who often calls on this show. You can tell from his English that he is very educated, respectful and probably one of the privileged individual in Pakistani society, but what is really sad is that he has no grasp on how to analyze evidence, logical fallacies and how to come up with basic arguments. This is a good example of how our education system is poisoning the minds of our youths. Its teaching us what to think but not how to think.
islamabadi
Minister (2k+ posts)
Who is this maulvi? Why is he lecturing? Why should we listen to him? Was he given an authority letter by God to lecture us? No ? Goodbye...
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There are parameters to judge the truth. What parameters do you assess it on.
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes, it is the actual word of God. It has remained immutable which even with today's technology is not possible to hold any information in immutable state.
nothing to do with your first argument except that you are deviating from the first argument regardless of the side of the debate I want to take.
Well if you assess someone educated on this parameter, then I highly doubt your competence to think.
Vitamin_C
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A fact that is in concordance with reality. Something that we can test and verify independently and will yield the same result, regardless of who is verifying it. It doesn't have to be absolutely correct, but we can trust in the method that we use to analyze/verify it such that we have sufficient confidence in it to be true.
muhammadadeel
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Chance has nothing to do with how you think if you have a self-critical brain. Which you seem to discount except your own, so I can privilege myself to think of your competence as self-glorification. I'll definitely leave that to fair chance of the gene pool you got selected from.
